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Concealed Carry Discussion General discussion regarding CCW/LTC in California |
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^^ That article is a very interesting read. The decision of the courts to consider this case as an example of unlawful purchase is baffling.
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Really two different scenarios... |
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In the situation described, the owner's friend would purchase the gun solely to effect a later transfer back to the owner. That may put the friend in jeopardy of violating the conditions of truthfulness on the ATF 4473. Please see: ATF 4473,: https://www.atf.gov/files/forms/down...f-f-4473-1.pdf Question 11a, Quote:
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The noteworthy part of Abramski is that both parties were legally eligible to purchase firearms. The paper trail showed that the relative gave Abramski the money specifically to purchase a gun for the relative. SCOTUS determined that made Abramski's certification fraudulent. From the ruling: http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files...united-states/ Quote:
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So I completed the pawn-and-release and picked up the gun after the 10-day wait a couple weeks ago. The new DROS I have for it now says it's a 9mm. Submitted an update and a copy of the new DROS to the Sheriff CCW Coordinator and she said she'd contact me when it's ready. Just waiting for a call or email to let me know it's ready for pickup.
On a more humorous note, I'm actually starting to have dreams about this ordeal. Last night I dreamt that the Sheriff's Office couldn't figure out how to list the gun with the new caliber on the permit and still stay within their own policy of following DOJ advice...so they simply put on the permit: "Any other P229." |
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There will be two records of the same gun on your Automated Firearms System record.
I legally sold a handgun, and later had it DROS'ed back to me when I acquired it through inheritance. Both transactions are kept on my file, which I requested from the DOJ. In prior years, they did not keep a record of rifles and shotguns, except for registered assault weapons, and voluntary reporting of ownership of rifles and shotguns. Now, all firearms sales are registered. My IA would list both calibers on the permit, if needed. Your IA sucks.
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Mind police are here, now! thanks to lib SCOTUS appointments.
I side with the minority report. I hope Kagan gets brain cancer in her rotting mind. Holding: Regardless whether the actual buyer could have purchased the gun, a person who buys a gun on someone else’s behalf while falsely claiming that it is for himself makes a material misrepresentation punishable under 18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(6), which prohibits knowingly making false statements “with respect to any fact material to the lawfulness of a sale of a gun.” {emphasis added} Judgment: Affirmed, 5-4, in an opinion by Justice Kagan on June 16, 2014. Justice Scalia filed a dissenting opinion, in which Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Thomas, and Justice Alito joined.
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^^^ I don't understand the correlation to thread topic?
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Didn't read through the whole thread, but I have two pistols that are on my ccw that were bought out of state. Sent in a volreg with a check and got a form back stating they're mine. Sent that into my IA and all is good.
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Sounds like submitting the VolReg should take care of the problem. However, you might want to recheck ahead of time. Maybe your sheriff's office means they won't allow the gun to be modified from it's original manufactured configuration. That's the case here. If the gun was born as a .40 cal it can only be on your CCW as a .40. This is not the case every where. |
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My IA said as long as the caliber on my AFS entry matches what I'm putting on my CCW, it can be listed. |
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No it's registered. Been living in CA since 2007 and had to register it upon arrival. Only recently changed the caliber.
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Oh cool. So, just curious, how much did this pawn-and-release method cost? $25 DROS, $FFL fee, $pawn fee?
did a Pawn shop FFL do this for you or your LGS? A new 40 S&W barrel may have worked for now to get the SN on the CCW permit, provided you qualify with it, right? Then deal with the 9mm later? Does your IA allow you to change calibers between 40 S&W and 9mm? One SN and two calibers? I'm not sure if you specifically addressed that earlier in the thread or not. |
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If you do not want to do the Pawn shop route - find a LGS that will put it on consignment - put it up for sale for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ - leave it for a few weeks,,, go back and say, I have decided I do not want to sale this gun... By law, the LGS must do a DROS with you to get your gun back,,, silly law, but its true - when it is Dros'd to you, it will be in current configuration. I found this out the hard way,, took a gun in to sale - decided not to sale it,,, had to have it Dros'd back to me,,, live and learn
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It is completely up to the IA. I know that I've certified a single gun in multiple calibers for students before but, each IA is different.
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First you make the caliber change, then it's up to you if you want to pawn it first and then turn in the paperwork; or just qualify and turn in the paperwork without pawning it first and see if they make a fuss about the caliber discrepancy (depending on the IA, they may or may not). My IA doesn't allow me to alternate between calibers. I can only have .40 OR 9mm on the permit. I suppose I could use up two spaces for each caliber if I wanted to, but I only want it in 9mm. That's just me though. |
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