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Deep cell battery for thrower
Hey all, I just bought a Do All White Wing thrower and have some questions as far as what kind of battery to get. I know I need a deep cell but what size am I going to need. I'm going to be going on a camping trip with a bunch of friends at a spot near Manzanar (the Japanese internment camp during WWII) and we'll be throwing about 500 targets.
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My google-fu found a recommendation from a knowledgeable person who maintains five dc powered throwers and he recommended an Interstate SRM-27. It's a marine deep cycle with high cranking amps. Just guessing but bringing a set of jumper cables to recharge it if needed might be a worthwhile precaution for the first outing to see how it goes.
Looks like a cool trap thrower, very jelly Have fun!
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How about a Harbor Freight solar charger?
You can get a really nice one if you have the money, OSH or Camping World. I bought a HF for less than 20 and according to my volt meter, it does what it's supposed to for my needs. Just sayin. |
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I've read a lot of good reviews on "Goal Zero" products, would something like this work, or should I get a separate battery and charger?
http://www.goalzero.com/p/166/goal-z...ator-kit/24:2/ |
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What you also need to know is the amp draw of the thrower, should be on a plate somewhere if it isn't worn off or painted over. Amps = watts / volts or 12.5amps = 150watts (supposed) / 12 volts If your thrower draws more than 12.5 amps, which it most likely does, then you'll need the battery. Such devices aren't typically made as a sole power source for your application.
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Since I could not find anything on the product regarding actual power consumption there is really no way to make a decent recommendation of battery sizing.
Post the marking on the provided power supply or on the device itself regarding power. Alternately you could use something like a watt meter or a "kill a watt" to directly measure the power during operation for say 10-20 clays then extrapolate to your target of 500 clays. Once you have the power loading for the event than you can figure the amp-hr capacity requirements for the battery. Forget about using a solar panel to recharge any decent sized battery or you will be waiting a long time. A small generator like Honda EU-1000 or 2000 will charge a decent sized deep cycle battery in a few hours. Depending on the current draw of the thrower you might be able to just run it directly off a generator. Make certain you consider the continuous output capabilities and not the peak output for the generator (e.g. the EU-1000 supplies only ~8 amps continuous). Might as well take a few old fashioned manual throwers just in case.
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Do not overthink this.
Get a group 27 deep cycle battery. Take a set of heavy duty jumper cables Which you should allready have. to recharge it if needed. Or a small generator and battery charger.
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Did all the calculations and found out that the interstate SRM 27 will power the thrower for about 3000 throws. That's more than 3 times what I need. So it looks like there's no need for a charger. Thanks everyone for your help, I'm fairly new to this forum and all the help and friendliness I've gotten on here is incredible.
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as always, COSTCO has some of the cheapest battery prices and the 100 month warranty...
Have fun on the trip...
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I use the costco deep cycle batteries in both my trucks and my toy hauler. I like the stud terminals on top. I use wing nuts to hold the battery cable rather than hex nuts.......no tools needed to disconnect a battery. Top post cable ends always get stretched out and this doesn't happen with a ring terminal. I also crimp my own ends on cables when needed. Use dielectric grease on any electrical connections. It keeps them from corroding. I rewired most of my 79 pickup and used the grease. 6 months later there isn't any corrosion on the battery cables. It keep air and water from getting to the connections.
The costco batteries seem to last about 5 years. Some of mine sit for a long time without being used or charged. For the price, the life doesn't seem bad. Luckily I can use the same size battery in all three vehicles, so that means all 5 batteries are the same and can be swapped in a pinch.
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^^^ Except that deep cycle batteries should not be used for starting engines. They are not designed for the quick very heavy draw of a starter. This would not apply if they are deep cycle/start batteries.
Deep cycle batteries are designed for a lower constant longer time draw such as a trolling motor or lights etc in a travel trailer/motorhome. The best ones to get would be the golf cart batteries. That is what we use in the trailers/motorhomes/live aboard boats etc.
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Or get long jumper cables and start your engine when the thrower slows down. You can use short jumper cables if you're good shots.
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To the OP. You should of asked for people that actually OWN a thrower with a wobbler to post up a good answer. I've had the same battery for 2 years + on my White Wing thrower. My cheap car battery will run a motor driven thrower with a motor driven wobbler for 4 hours easy. NON STOP use. Keep in mind the wobbler motor is running all the time. That is a constant battery draw. The thrower motor works only when refilling the thrower for the next clay. Therefore it has intermittent use. Below is the Battery data. My battery is a Super Start Economy battery from O'Reillys. Part # Super Start® Economy - Battery 24/24R48 I think I paid 69 bucks for it on sale. I use a solar charger to juice it up the day before we take it out. If it's heavily overcast. I will use my little Shumacker 6 /2 amp automatic charger till it reads charged. I charge at 6 amps. (Model SE-82-6) Since I am sitting right next to my White Wing thrower out here in the garage. I will check my battery voltage. The last time I used it was around 2 months ago with a bunch of Calgunners out at Christmas Tree lane. It has been sitting in my garage since then with no charger on it. I am using a Amprobe AM240 to read the voltage. I will back up the reading with a Fluke T5-600. Gimme a minute here............. OK... 2 months no charging and it was used for around 4 hours on the last trip. Below is the voltage test data. Voltage test 1with AM240: 12.70 volts Voltage test 2 with Fluke T5: 13.0 volts My point is. Buy the biggest cheap azz car battery for around 60 - 80 bucks. Don't let the voltage get below 10 volts. And it will last you YEARS. Thats my experience. Yours may be different. -T Last edited by Twystd1; 02-21-2014 at 6:03 PM.. |
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Group 27; battery you find in an ancient Cadillac. Good luck humping that into the boonies... I like the $500 solar battery charger option. But if the shooting site is accessible to a car, just jumper to the thrower off the car or truck...
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^^^ OK So the costco are the start/deepcycle dual purpose kind. They work for both applications. That is what I used in my boat.
A straight deep cycle battery is not a good choice for a start battery. The dual purpose kind works fine and was designed to starting and deep cycle use.
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