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Old 06-17-2020, 12:37 PM
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What do the legal eagles and LEOs think?

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The U.S. city with the most restrictive gun laws in the nation, Washington, D.C., has the highest murder rate at 24 per 100,000.
The state with the most unrestrictive gun regulations, Vermont, has the lowest murder rate at 0.48 per 100,000.
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Not a legal eagle or a LEO, but I think he showed remarkable restraint. His life was at risk and he acted appropriately in my opinion.
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Not a legal eagle or a LEO, but I think he showed remarkable restraint. His life was at risk and he acted appropriately in my opinion.

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Works for me. He was already out numbered, and on the ground when the video starts and it sure looks like it's going to get worse. Only thing I would have done different is get out of the street, and back my butt up against that wall on his left.
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Apparently they were yelling something to the effect "kill that mf'er" too.

Assaulted with a skateboard, multiple attackers, attempting to deescalate by retreating.... good shoot to me. I would not convict
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Good IMHO. Almost waited too long
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It wasnít legal to carry that weapon. Heís gonna face charges
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It wasnít legal to carry that weapon. Heís gonna face charges
Why? Itís in NM.
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Why? Itís in NM.
Unfortunately heís not a CCW holder. His pistol was concealed in his waistband
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It's not fair if this guy gets charged or does time for this..

I feel like "they" will say that the antifas were retrieving and shot in the back..
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Antifa scumbag had a knife. Good shoot....he may have to face weapons charge but when the truth comes out he will be found not guilty on everything else. I got this from another member here on CalGuns. Will credit when I locate post.

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- he was being attacked by savages and dindoos

- is he supposed to wait until he gets mauled?

- he's on the ground, outnumbered, the herd of apes was aggressive towards him

- multiple shots is questionable.. but also reasonable under these stressful circumstances
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Did he hit the intended target? If so, it's a good shoot.

Did he miss the intended target? If so, it's not a good shoot.

Oh, this isn't a question about paper targets? Never mind, then.

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- he was being attacked by savages and dindoos

- is he supposed to wait until he gets mauled?

- he's on the ground, outnumbered, the herd of apes was aggressive towards him

- multiple shots is questionable.. but also reasonable under these stressful circumstances
I'm curious as to the logic here, since I have never heard any trainer say to only fire once.

If the objective is to end the threat, there is a very good chance it will take more than one shot. One shot stops happen, but they are not all that common.
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I'm curious as to the logic here, since I have never heard any trainer say to only fire once.

If the objective is to end the threat, there is a very good chance it will take more than one shot. One shot stops happen, but they are not all that common.

Agree.

Many shootings between police and BG where officers emptied their mags. To stop the threat may require more than one round.


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Looks justified to me. The victim, from what is shown on that video clip, was facing a mob and all indicators point toward a violent and vicious mob mentality that was likely to lead to a mob beating. This is the nature of many needing to carry a weapon for self-defense.
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From my perspective, the shoot is completely justified because in the 1st four seconds of the clip you hear that they are attacking with deadly intent. If ever in this situation I pray there's someone recording it because absent this footage, who knows what might happen? Could be bad...Zimmerman bad.
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The U.S. city with the most restrictive gun laws in the nation, Washington, D.C., has the highest murder rate at 24 per 100,000.
The state with the most unrestrictive gun regulations, Vermont, has the lowest murder rate at 0.48 per 100,000.

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Albuquerque police arrested 31-year-old Baca on Monday night after, they say, he shot Scott Williams, 39, during a fight at a demonstration to remove the statue of OŮate, a controversial conquistador, from the Albuquerque Museum grounds. The city removed the statue Tuesday due to safety concerns.

At the heart of the investigation is whether Baca instigated the fight or acted in self-defense.

For now, Baca is charged with aggravated battery, a felony, and two petty misdemeanor counts of battery against three unknown protesters because, prosecutors say, video shows him shoving them or throwing them to the ground before the shooting. He is also charged with unlawful carrying of a deadly weapon without a concealed carry permit, a misdemeanor.

The shooting itself appears self defense and that guy is not being charged for attempted homicide. I would guess all the other charges will be dropped if he was not instigating the protesters and they were the aggressors. That would be beyond the scope of the video and news article.
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The trend now is to overcharge in favor of the mob to not upset rioters from burning down the city. In court, business will be as usual. Laws are still the same before the riots. He probably won't get the CCW charge removed.
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There's more video before the shooting. It appears he may have provoked the protesters, so it's not so cut-and-dry.
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Generally, it's not a great idea to strap on your gun and then go downtown to mix it up with demonstrators. The shooter went out looking for trouble, and he found it.
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What do the legal eagles and LEOs think?

Better video link. https://www.kold.com/2020/06/17/grap...stador-statue/
Different angle? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8AgIYEMLkk

I think he started something with someone, then was chased off, attacked, and shot back. Give me a few mins and I'll see if I find the video if him "starting something"

Edit here we go. https://youtu.be/WTo_ukvd9sg?t=13

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Good shoot! Unless he started to physically attack folks before that.

Im of the opinion I should be able to walk the public streets with a MAGA hat and Trump flag at a bm/antiflaw rally and not get physically attacked. If I do I have the US Constitution with the Bill of Rights that say I a given by God the right to defend myself from physical harm. AR pistol with a flash can will work.

Sick of these feral animals getting away with mob violence.
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Well that guy is screwed. He was physically attacking folks, dumb move when he is armed unless he wanted to go to jail.

I still might give him a not guilty becuase those rioters tearing down statues are needing late term abortions.

I retract my initial good shoot with just a low golf clap.
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DA not to file charges.

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There's more to the story.
Dude went with gun to a riot. Prohibited.
Had no license to carry. Prohibited.
Given that, he got super duper lucky that he won't spend a few years in the big house.
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