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Old 04-12-2020, 6:36 PM
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Default Anyone ever show up at CCW course with Desert Eagle or 44 magnum?

Has anyone ever taken a Desert Eagle variant or a 44 magnum revolver to a CCW class, or seen another person do it? If so, I'd like to hear the story...
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Old 04-12-2020, 7:52 PM
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- dont think it matters what you take
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Old 04-12-2020, 8:04 PM
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I watched a guy shooting a snub .44 Mag revolver at San Bernardino qualifying. It was twice as loud as anyone else on the firing line and the muzzle flash was incredible. Everyone who wasn't on the firing line (including officers) were laughing and making jokes. Still, he passed the test and presumably was given a permit listing it.
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Old 04-12-2020, 10:09 PM
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I have a 44 Magnum revolver on my permit.

I might put the 454 on after my renewal!


During my last renewal the instructor said other than a desert eagle or an AR pistol if you can shoot it and conceal it OC will put it in your permit.

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Old 04-12-2020, 10:56 PM
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I have a friend with a .460 S&W on his.
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Old 04-13-2020, 5:56 AM
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I have a friend with a .460 S&W on his.
Same. Sac County.
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Old 04-13-2020, 6:21 AM
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The idea must be if you don't hit them, it will scare them to death. My 2nd shot would be somewhere north of the moon.
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Old 04-13-2020, 6:27 AM
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About 5 years ago, when I moved to a different county and had to start the process over again, a guy in my CCW class brought an AR pistol that he wanted to qualify with so he could try to add it as an additional pistol on his permit. The trainer, a retired sheriff’s deputy, did not let him attempt to qualify with it.
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Old 04-13-2020, 11:47 AM
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About 5 years ago, when I moved to a different county and had to start the process over again, a guy in my CCW class brought an AR pistol that he wanted to qualify with so he could try to add it as an additional pistol on his permit. The trainer, a retired sheriff’s deputy, did not let him attempt to qualify with it.
Just for ****s and giggles.. are there any counties that do allow rifle caliber pistols? I know Sac County does not. They won't even allow 5.7x28mm (FN Five-Seven)
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Old 04-14-2020, 1:24 AM
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Doesn’t placer county allow 5.7?
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Old 04-14-2020, 6:54 AM
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I have a .44 mag on mine. At my last renewal class the instructor made a joke "there is something wrong with that gun...there is a huge fireball coming out of the barrel...you better let me shoot it to make sure its safe"
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Old 04-14-2020, 3:06 PM
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Default Anyone ever show up at CCW course with Desert Eagle or 44 magnum?

Not .44 mag but I have 10mm G20 on my permit.

During the qualification I was shooting Underwood ammo and it was quite loud; one of the guys from our group asked me why I need 10mm, I told them I wanted to kill the BG’s soul also if they tried to hurt my family.


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Old 04-14-2020, 7:58 PM
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The discussion is interesting because regardless of what is on my CA permit I can carry (concealed or open) any "handgun" Utah with my Utah non-resident permit. Whether an AR Pistol is a "handgun" is not likely, a Desert Eagle certainly is.

I also find it interesting that my own state that has a (supposedly) more rigorous BG check and more stringent requirements for carry trusts me less than a state in which I don't even reside.
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Old 04-16-2020, 9:31 AM
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Not .44 mag but I have 10mm G20 on my permit.

During the qualification I was shooting Underwood ammo and it was quite loud; one of the guys from our group asked me why I need 10mm, I told them I wanted to kill the BG’s soul also if they tried to hurt my family.


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I asked my CCW trainer (signer offer) if anyone has ever brought an AR pistol to put as one of the three designated CCW pistols. He chuckled and said no...but he wouldn't have a problem with it....and just winked.

Not sure if pushed he'd do it....but I didn't want to be the test case.

For my CCW, I have my G20 (10mm), a SP101 (357 mag) and a Kahr PM40 (40sw).
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Old 04-16-2020, 5:58 PM
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I qualified next to a guy shooting a S&W 460, damn it made me flinch. It produced quite a big fireball.
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Old 04-24-2020, 7:35 PM
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I heard of a guy that brought a 9mm MAC 11 pistol for qualification but it was only a joke and didn't put it on my permit.
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Old 04-24-2020, 8:07 PM
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I may get a 10mm for when I requalify in a few months, or maybe 50AE.
Don’t think my department will sign off on an AR Pistol in rifle caliber.
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I remember some calibers were excluded from being able to put on the permit. 44 rem mag or 45 win mag seemed to be about the power limit. 454 Casull, 475 Linebaugh, 500 Smith and a few others were excluded.
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Old 04-25-2020, 2:23 AM
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Oddly enough, my .44mag DEP is the most accurate handgun that I own, just barely edging out my Ruger MK678 target pistol (in .22LR).

So I'm not sure why it would be a problem to qualify with one. Unconstitutional local ordinances not withstanding...
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Yep. About 4 years ago during my first CA CCW class, there was one guy who qualified with a 44 Mag Desert Eagle and a Beretta 92FS. He barely scored enough to pass. I asked him why he only brought 2 handguns and he said he only owned 2. When another classmate asked why a Desert Eagle, he said he's from Stockton.
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Old 04-25-2020, 6:21 AM
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I think most standard 3A body armor that might be worn on duty is certified to 44 magnum. Maybe that's the reason more powerful cartridges aren't allowed? I'm just guessing.
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Has anyone ever taken a Desert Eagle variant or a 44 magnum revolver to a CCW class, or seen another person do it? If so, I'd like to hear the story...
I did through a couple of renewals (Ruger Redhawk), it was when I was hitting the back-country fairly regularly and wanted both something for large predators and for good-sized snake-shot capsules, that could be legally concealed so as not to incite fear and loathing (and potential trouble) among the long-haired granola-munching eco-warriors out backpacking with their ultra-light, overpriced REI gear.

My regular everyday CCW was a Ruger SR40c which is still on my permit to this day. The Redhawk has since been replaced by a pistol in a more urban caliber. I could qualify with it, but since I'm no longer far from civilization as much, I don't have the same need for it anymore. Don't judge, it's not always about "compensating".
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Old 04-25-2020, 6:51 AM
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I used to have an AR pistol on my permit, was no big deal getting it on there. Took it off when the bullet button law changed.

Have a friend who still has a draco on his, complete with mag lock.
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Old 04-25-2020, 6:57 AM
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When I was living in NM their CCW rules were that you could carry anything in the caliber you qualified with or smaller. It was further broken down to autoloaders and revolvers. So I qualified with a 45LC revolver and a 45ACP pistol. But one guy there did run a 500S&W revolver and a 50 Desert Eagle. Weird rules, but that’s what we had. Also strange was that their permits were specific that you could not carry more than one gun at a time.
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I used to have an AR pistol on my permit, was no big deal getting it on there. Took it off when the bullet button law changed.

Have a friend who still has a draco on his, complete with mag lock.
Is that in Butte County?
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I showed up the first time in Placer County with a Para Ordnance P14-45 for my interview way back in the day. The sheriff said, “I like it, but I can’t imagine how heavy it is to carry with a full magazine +1”
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Not .44 mag but I have 10mm G20 on my permit.

During the qualification I was shooting Underwood ammo and it was quite loud; one of the guys from our group asked me why I need 10mm, I told them I wanted to kill the BG’s soul also if they tried to hurt my family.


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I have a 1006 on mine. Guys asked me why I needed a 10mm also. I said "This is San Bernardino, take a look around."
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In my class a guy had one of those mammoth HK full sized guns. I think it was a Mark 23. He a more reasonably sized firearm as well, just wanted to get it onto his permit at the same time.
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Just for ****s and giggles.. are there any counties that do allow rifle caliber pistols? I know Sac County does not. They won't even allow 5.7x28mm (FN Five-Seven)
My Five Seven is on my permit for OCSD.
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During inspection/classroom time, my buddy got crap for his 5.7 and some jokes were thrown around (Not at him, just in general about the round and having it on the permit).

Then we went to the range, he had the smallest grouping and everyone shut their mouths
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My permit is G19, G23, G20. Probably won’t be real soon, but I want a S&W 69, when I get it it will go on my permit so I have the option to conceal when taking into the backcountry.
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During inspection/classroom time, my buddy got crap for his 5.7 and some jokes were thrown around (Not at him, just in general about the round and having it on the permit).

Then we went to the range, he had the smallest grouping and everyone shut their mouths
That would be my ideal all around caliber of things were better as far as availability.
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My friend and I went to our qualification class together. I told him to bring his Desert Eagle in .44 cause why the hell not. It's technically allowed to be on the list since .44 is under their .45 max caliber rule. The deputies laughed, and then asked him to stay after everyone else was done so they could shoot it.
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Not .44 mag but I have 10mm G20 on my permit.

During the qualification I was shooting Underwood ammo and it was quite loud; one of the guys from our group asked me why I need 10mm, I told them I wanted to kill the BG’s soul also if they tried to hurt my family.


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I plan of adding my G20SF to my CCW, just because any pistol I own I want on my CCW. I am looking at the Underwood ammo, 200gr HP Hornady XTP, for SD/HD. If you can hit consistently with a bigger caliber, I think it's a better route than smaller caliber/volume by fire.

ETA: I guess the thing I find funny, is I feel like people look all side eyed at 10mm for SD, but for woods carry and bears/hogs it is good to go. If it can knock down a bear or hog, I think it'd be good for humans too...

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Yes. Fellow classmate showed up with .44 revolver. Instructor asked if he was sure he wanted to shoot 72 rounds of that expensive ammunition. Unfortunately it was his only gun.
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If you are only allowed 2 guns on the permit... take it seriously


I’ve shot 1200 rounds in a 2 day advanced class. Would never try that with a 44
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I EDC a Baby Desert Eagle in 40 S&W, no big deal at all
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One of my carry guns is full of 325g bear stoppers.....it's my woods gun for four legged critters. If a two legged critter were to need some love with it, so be it.
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