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Old 04-20-2013, 9:44 AM
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I recently purchased a COLT LE901-16S http://www.coltsmfg.com/Catalog/Colt...tLE90116S.aspx

I have my Benelli M4 and COLT LE6940CA for CQB.

CQB is not a factor as a result.

Would 5-20x50 be overkill?

I am leaning towards the Trijicon AccuPoint TR23 http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/produc...nt&mid=5-20x50

Any other suggestions in terms of brand will be appreciated assuming 5-20x50 is not overkill.

Standard or Mil-Dot Crosshair?

Lastly, what ring height is recommended for the AR-308 platform...standard, intermediate or high?

Thank you very much in advance for your posts.

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Good questions. I've got a Bushy LR-308 that I have set up with an Aimpoint PRO. I would like to set it up to reach beyond the 400 yard range. So, I too am looking at a scope and bipod for it. Interested in hearing responses to the OP's inquiry.
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Lots of good scope options on the market...

You might want to start here:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=745789

If you have a general price range you would like to stay in that would be a lot of help...
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$1,000.00 for the optic/scope.

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Lots of good scope options on the market...

You might want to start here:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=745789

If you have a general price range you would like to stay in that would be a lot of help...
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Well the Trijicon 5-20 would probably exceed that budget unless you find the right deal... If you are still considering that optic the TR23-2 with the mildot reticle is the only one I would consider. The other two options lack mil or moa markers making it more difficult for hold over shots and cant use em for ranging or to measure correction... The main thing I dont like about it is the reticle is in mils and the turret adjustment are in MOA. I dont think they offer them in matching mil/mil, nor do they have a moa/moa option. Someone correct me if im wrong...

I really like a lot of stuff Trijicon makes but they still dont fit the bill for what I want in a Target scope...

Vortex PST 4-16x or 6-24x in SFP would keep you under budget, and the FFP models would be right at your budget. Both options are available in mil/mil or moa/moa with what I feel also includes a much better reticle for ranging, measurement, and all that good stuff.

Bushnell Elite Tactical G2DMR FFP is another really popular option. I haven't personally used it but the tracking, glass, and reticle get great reviews. If you prefer to shooting using hold overs that reticle is hard to overlook. It would be over budget depending on which model and magnification range you decide on.

I have an SWFA 5-20 SS HD which is also a great scope and is worth consideration and also in your ballpark budget.

You may also want to consider the used market, you might be able to get a scope in your budget that would otherwise exceed it.

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Thank you very much for your post.

I was hoping $1,000.00 is sufficient but I am willing to spend more than $1,000.00.

I prefer purchasing the optimum scope now rather than purchasing, selling, purchasing, selling, purchasing again later if possible.

Possible being the keyword

I went through several optics before I finally settled on the ELCAN SpecterDr for my COLT LE6940CA.

I want a scope that will allow me to maximize the full potential of the COLT LE901-S.

A decrease would be in order if 5-20x50 is beyond the range of the rifle.

An increase would be in order if 5-20x50 is under the range of the rifle.

I am not set on the Trijicon AccuPoint.

I like the illuminated reticle but it is not a must.

I have no experience with a caliber larger than 5.56x45 NATO which explains my ignorance and post.

In closing, do you recommend standard, intermediate or high rings?

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Well the Trijicon 5-20 would probably exceed that budget unless you find the right deal... If you are still considering that optic the TR23-2 with the mildot reticle is the only one I would consider. The other two options lack mil or moa markers making it more difficult for hold over shots and cant use em for ranging or to measure correction... The main thing I dont like about it is the reticle is in mils and the turret adjustment are in MOA. I dont think they offer them in matching mil/mil, nor do they have a moa/moa option. Someone correct me if im wrong...

I really like a lot of stuff Trijicon makes but they still dont fit the bill for what I want in a Target scope...

Vortex PST 4-16x or 6-24x in SFP would keep you under budget, and the FFP models would be right at your budget. Both options are available in mil/mil or moa/moa with what I feel also includes a much better reticle for ranging, measurement, and all that good stuff.

Bushnell Elite Tactical G2DMR FFP is another really popular option. I haven't personally used it but the tracking, glass, and reticle get great reviews. If you prefer to shooting using hold overs that reticle is hard to overlook. It would be over budget depending on which model and magnification range you decide on.

I have an SWFA 5-20 SS HD which is also a great scope and is worth consideration and also in your ballpark budget.

You may also want to consider the used market, you might be able to get a scope in your budget that would otherwise exceed it.

I'm sure other member will chime in with other recommendations.
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For rings and mounts on an AR platform I like to use 1 piece mounts vs a set of traditional rings. Most of them are already setup for the correct sight height.

Larue LT104, Bobro, and the Burris PERP as a budget option.. I'm sure I'm missing a few, but that's what I typically use.
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I am finishing a 6.8spc build for deer/antelope/hog and went with a trijicon accupoint 2.5-10x56mm with a green dot mil-dot reticle.
I feel that 20x is more than needed especially as 5x will be the widest FOV you get with a scope like you mentioned. 2.5x van be use with 2 eyes open and 10x is plenty for animal sized targets up to 600yds. 20x is more for 1000yds+ IMO.
I got my trijicon for 799 at amazon - no tax and free shipping.
It will be on a PEPR QD mount.
I realize a 56mm is a large objective, but cheek weld will be the aame as my other ARs, and will have the best light gathering potential for my dawn/dusk hunts.
Just what I went with. Many good options out there.
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On a Tactical 308 AR, 5-20 is considered overkill... most folks max out at 15x on the top end.

Having said that, my 308 AR has a Premier Heritage 5-25x56mm... works for me.

I agree with ExtremeX choices.. especially with regards to the DMR or the SWFA 5-20x
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You really have to narrow it down to what kind of shooting you will be doing for example an acog is IMO very accurate out to at least 500/600 yards for man sized targets but at that distance if you were trying to make a head shot/smaller target i would like a scope, granted to make a shot like that you need to have some dope on your rifle/scope.
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I went with a SWFA 5-20 SS HD
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I went with the Bushnell ERS 3.5-21x 50mm.

http://www.bushnell.com/all-products...s-3-5-21x-50mm
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Good choice. Get it from Charlie? :P
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Vortex PST 4-16x or 6-24x in SFP would keep you under budget, and the FFP models would be right at your budget. Both options are available in mil/mil or moa/moa with what I feel also includes a much better reticle for ranging, measurement, and all that good stuff.

I have this set up on a 20" POF P308. Does everything I want/need..and their customer service is top notch.
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Check out the new SWFA 3-15. I have their 5-20 and really like it. I think the 3-15 would let you get out to 600 yards quite easily, while still having a decent field of view for sub-100 yard shots.

Your 16" barrel will should happy sending lead out to 600 yards. I think most 5-20x50 optics would weigh your rifle down pretty quickly (30+ ounces for the optic alone). Most 3-15's in 40-42mm will be lighter and still feel relatively handy on the carbine.

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If you can do without the zero stop save $400 and get the G2HDMR instead of the ERS They go for about $1250.. Just a little more than you wanted to spend.
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Check out the new SWFA 3-15. I have their 5-20 and really like it. I think the 3-15 would let you get out to 600 yards quite easily, while still having a decent field of view for sub-100 yard shots.

Your 16" barrel will should happy sending lead out to 600 yards. I think most 5-20x50 optics would weigh your rifle down pretty quickly (30+ ounces for the optic alone). Most 3-15's in 40-42mm will be lighter and still feel relatively handy on the carbine.

Let us know what you decide!
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Glen.ma : I also am looking for a new scope, as I've have an 901 also. These have been shot to 1200 yds. So I have same problem as you. keep us posted...
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Hey Glen.ma : let us know what the glass is like on your Bushnell...
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on my 18" lr-308 I opted for an ACOG (3 or 4x, cant remember) with 308 drop reticle. My favorite piece of glass I own. just might not be sufficient magnification for your needs.
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I am very satisfied with the Bushnell ERS 3.5-21x 50mm.

However, I am going to sell the COLT LE901-16S for the G.A. Precision GAP-10.

http://www.gaprecision.net/ga-precis...n-gap-10-.html

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What mount did you get for the ERS?
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http://badgerordnance.com/34mm-scope-rings/

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Having experienced my own .308 build with a 16" barrel, I will give my own opinion:

1) I found that I was wishing I had a longer barrel.....at least an 18", but probably closer to a 20". Reason being was that the 308 doesnt make for a good CQB rifle. I realize that is a personal opinion, but when cosidering round capacity, weight, recoil and power vs an AR-15 in CQB, it just doesnt add up. The only thing it has going for it is more power, and the AR-15 has plenty up close.
2) Because I had already built mine in a CQB-midrange setup, I figured high powered optics would give me no benefit. At CQB and midrange distances (we'll say 600 yards MAX), you dont need a 20x power. A 16" barrel just isnt suited best for distances that requires 20x type magnification levels.

What you have is certainly nice, but I think you will find that with the setup you have, you will rather have less weight and less magnification. I personally went with a TA11E (308 reticle) ACOG. Granted, 3.5x is not a high precision type of scope, but it is good for Body MOA out to 600-800 yards (depending on the skills of the shooter). I also chose this scope because my rifle is not a high precision setup.

In the end, I think you would be much better served by an optic like a 1-6x24 Vortex HD Razor II, or maybe even a 2.5-10x. I know you said you're not interested in CQB for this rifle, but just realize what it is intended to do: You have a precision scope on a blaster type rifle. I would get optics that would be suited for more of a DMR type setup geared towards midrange distances.

Just my own opinion. You already have your optic anyhow, so there's probably no point in changing it now. And if you are happy with the setup, then you dont need to be listening to me anyway
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Rifle scope with 20x and above can be looked at as over kill for a AR 308. It comes down to what you're trying to do with it. If your shooting Bench-rest style of shooting then maybe not. If your trying to shoot long range but doing it more of a tactical style were you my have multiple shots and different distances then having a lower powered scope would be a good way of going with at top end at 15x. If your doing close range (point blank to maybe 200yds) then a RED dot sight.

Makes I would look at for the price your looking at.
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I went with the Bushnell Elite Tactical.

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Just beginning a .308 build so this interest me very much. This will be the furthest out I'll try to reach, so a nice scope is important. Probably in 600+ yard range. Not for hunting, just target. Thinking long barrel and bipod.

I love Trijicons. Have a 3x9 Accupoint red triangle on a 7mm mag, and a 1x4 Accupoint yellow triangle on a .450 Bushmaster AR build. Both show up well on the side of a black hog in the shade of trees.
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I tried to purchase the gap rifle, but the wait time was very extensive to say the least. Good luck, hope you can get it, with in a year...
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Went with the Vortex Viper PST.
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I am very satisfied with the Bushnell ERS 3.5-21x 50mm.

However, I am going to sell the COLT LE901-16S for the G.A. Precision GAP-10.

http://www.gaprecision.net/ga-precis...n-gap-10-.html
Out of curiosity, what specs are you going with on the Gap-10? I'm around the 6 month mark on my wait for mine..
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i'm trying to decide this for my SCAR17... I was considering the ACOG 6x48 but its $$$$
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Did you look at JP LRP-07s? Their wait time is currently 12-16 weeks versus GAP's 10 months.
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I went with a Trijicon TR22-2 paired with a larue104 mount and its a great combo for the ar 308. 2.5-10 has great flexibility and allows for close to long range shots. And the glass is as good as you would expect.
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I went with a Trijicon TR22-2 paired with a larue104 mount and its a great combo for the ar 308. 2.5-10 has great flexibility and allows for close to long range shots. And the glass is as good as you would expect.
That's what Im looking at getting in green mildot. If you don't mind me asking how much was the whole set up? Is the Larue that good of a mount where its worth the money?
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I got the scope and mount separately and it was a little under $1000. I got the scope new on ebay for about $760 shipped.

I think the mount is worth the money. It is rock solid, very easy to install and remove from the rifle. And you get to have a little bling on the gun.

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How long is your barrel? Are those the stock rings/risers?
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20" barrel with the larue LT104 mount
http://www.laruetactical.com/larue-t...ount-qd-lt-104
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Just wondering. Why do you need an extended mount when rings will fit your scope directly on the receiver?
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I went with a Trijicon TR22-2 paired with a larue104 mount and its a great combo for the ar 308. 2.5-10 has great flexibility and allows for close to long range shots. And the glass is as good as you would expect.
I'm thinking of a similar set up for the SCAR17, but I wonder if a 56" objective is too big. Also, I prefer the Bobro mounts to Larue.. cleaner looking and rock solid.
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Just wondering. Why do you need an extended mount when rings will fit your scope directly on the receiver?
Quick release, additional elevation or it looks cool. Any combination of these is my guess.
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