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Old 12-09-2016, 7:14 PM
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Default Local OC county org to get more OCers to apply for CCWs?

I was going over the below graph from the Sac Bee (2016 April 23) (http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article73538112.html):



It shows OC (go to 40% Repub on the horizontal axis, then go up), issuing ~3 CCWs per 1,000 adult residents (0.3%).




Since, IIRC, the national average is 3 - 5% adults are CCWers (which includes the highly restrictive May Issue states of HI, CA, MD, NJ, NY and MA) (DE and RI readily issue), I'm thinking that getting OC to 3% -- a 10x increase -- should be doable with an organized and focused outreach to gun clubs, shooting ranges, competition clubs (IPSC/USPSA, PPC, IDPA), and gun stores and the local NRA Members Council. That will put OC up by Modoc and Inyo on the graph! And the circle (proportionate to the # of CCWers) would be HUGE!!!

Taking OC from 7,200 CCWs to 72,000 will have a big impact on local crime rates ("Nobody likes to bleed"), and on our statewide CCW issuance numbers. If OC did that, we'd go from ~80,000 CCWers to ~143,000 CCWers!

IMO, OC is the easiest (going by the stereotype that Repub voters are, in general, pro-RKBA and yet currently has a very low issuance rate (less than 1/10th nat'l average)), and largest (by population size), "low hanging fruit" to increase our statewide CCW numbers. A start would be to get everyone who has a CCW to get 3 of their friends/family members/etc who don't have a CCW to apply for one.

San Diego has their San Diego Gun Owners PAC. With all those Repubs in OC, shouldn't you guys have something similar to protect your CCWs and other RKBA (e.g., from local std cap mag bans, etc)?

More local CCWers mean your gun stores are less likely to go out of business and your ranges are less likely to close (or be forced to close by local antis using various ordinances).

Since this is county-level activism limited to OC, I put it here rather than the Political Activism forum.
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Old 12-16-2016, 7:59 AM
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You wrote a lot of words but I'm not sure what you are saying. You want to start a organization focused on helping people get carry licenses?

CCW licenses are still a new thing here and the process is still expensive and prohibitive for all but the most dedicated. Without significant personal motivation, most folks simply won't spend $1,000, take several days off work and allocate the mental real estate to tackle the current CCW process.

Everyone comes to guns in their own way, for their own reasons. IMO, the most effective thing is for all of us to become an ambassador to guide people along the way. Educate yourself, become an instructor, take your friends, neighbors, mailman and dentist shooting. Make it safe, social, and fun; the rest happens naturally.
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Old 12-31-2016, 2:23 PM
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You wrote a lot of words but I'm not sure what you are saying. You want to start a organization focused on helping people get carry licenses?
Not me: I live in NorCal, not SoCal. I'm saying CGNers in OC should form a pro-RKBA or just pro-CCW org (like SD county folks did), and use it to promote CCWs. Why? If Hutchens dies (think Carrie Fisher), or quits, your CCWs will all be up for grabs depending upon who replaces her. Best to get 10s of thousands of CCWers in OC now who will have a vested interest in making sure the next sheriff will also liberally issue CCWs. Otherwise, you could find yourselves getting an anti sheriff like in LA or SD county. Remember what happened when Hutchens first took office? Don't think that could not happen again.

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CCW licenses are still a new thing here
You're joking, right? Carona readily issued CCWs. As you can learn by watching the video in the link below at 6:40 - 8:00, Carona increased the # of OC CCWs by 5x, and this video was broadcast back in 2006 July -- over a decade ago.

http://www.fulldisclosure.net/2006/0...from-top-cops/

I remember a year or two after that video when Carona and the Kern Co sheriff were in an open competition to see who could have the most CCWers in their county.

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and the process is still expensive and prohibitive for all but the most dedicated. Without significant personal motivation, most folks simply won't spend an $1,000, take several days off work and allocate the mental real estate to tackle the current CCW process.


Again, you are mistaken. If you go thru the last few pages of posts in the Concealed Carry County Information forum (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/f...play.php?f=116) for OC thread (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=352774), you will see all of the applicants spent less than $500 for all expenses involved with getting an initial CCW permit (incl Live Scan and training requirement).

You will also learn that it only takes 2 trips to the SO (Initial Interview, and, if ultimately approved, a trip to pick up your permit). Each of those takes less than 1 or 2 hours, so allow half a day off to include time to get there, park, and walk to your appointment. The training may take 1 or 2 days, depending upon whom you choose as an instructor, and that includes range time. According to one poster, some courses allow you to do all of the "classroom" part of training online from home! You just have to leave your home to go to the range to qualify. So, the entire process may require as little as 3 half-days and 1 of those (range qualification) can be done on a weekday (perhaps evening), or weekend, so only 2 half-days off from work for SO appointments.

Many locations offer Live Scan fingerprinting services, the expense is minimal, and they are offered after hours and on weekends: easy to do on way to or from work, or while out running errands. https://oag.ca.gov/fingerprints/locations?county=Orange

Recent posts in the OC thread that support my statements are: 1732, 1733, and 1788 re. expenses, and 1728, 1731, 1732, 1733, 1759, 1783, 1790, and 1791 re. time/trips to SO. Post 1741 gives a good overview of the whole process.

Best not to discourage people from applying for OC CCWs by spreading, um, "falsehoods" around....
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I appreciate your enthusiasm! But it's easy for us Calgunners to forget most folks aren't hardcore gun people... they don't have 27 guns to choose from, aren't familiar with the laws, etc. I've helped dozens of people through the process here in OC. Everyone's situation is different but numbers-wise, significant barriers keep "average" people from applying.

The Corona regime was completely different; not comparable.

Most people can't name the vice president, let alone their Sheriff. Hutchen's office has been good post-Peruta and it may be only $500 to get a license but that $$ number alone is enough to scare the average person. And beyond the license, to go from zero to CCW takes significant monetary investment for training, gun(s), holsters, ammo etc. And keep in mind, it's not just licensing that's complicated; from legalities, to technique, to prohibited areas, carrying takes a lot of mental real estate.

And don't underestimate opportunity costs. Most people work hard for their money and if they miss a day of work, they're losing significant money / opportunities.
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CRPA put out an alert a few months back on this very subject- http://crpa.org/ccw-numbers-orange-county-rise/

They also put together a guide for OC residents on how to apply- http://213ajq29v6vk19b76q3534cx.wpen...tion-Guide.pdf
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Orange County is getting their own org based on the San Diego model. We need more folks to join us at this seminar:

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/how-to-...f=eandprexshre
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