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Old 05-06-2012, 9:16 PM
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Huh? Jealous much? What happened to the "everyone should get a CCW"? So, an HVAC worker who enters into a strangers home, with no hope of police support if something happened, shouldn't get a CCW because *YOU* can't get a CCW? Did I miss something?

Seriously, I hope I missed something...

Besides, since you're saying that you can't get a CCW.. Have you even TRIED to apply?
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I was disappointed that I did not see the following approved GC statements, I bang high-profile chicks and all the guys on Cal-guns are jealousy of me and was stupid enough to post a video of myself on you tube talking smack to Cal-guns or I am part of a 3 man tactical security unit at South Coast Plaza and I need to carry a fully automatic assault rifle with grenade launcher and of course a Deagle (.50 cal of course).
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Can we merge this thread with this thread, and this thread? It's getting confusing bouncing back and forth; having one place re: Orange County would be easier.

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First few denials seem to be cop-wannabe's.. "I need to defend myself and my clients". Or, the very first one admits to carrying even without a CCW.

Others are harder to understand.. The ophthalmologist probably should have been granted IMHO; I suspect it was the sentence at the end that said, "personal protection and protect my family". What he SHOULD HAVE said was to protect the business property and drugs that are stored on premises and transported between the home and business.

But, for a lot of them the reason for the denial makes no sense... A mortgage broker who visits clients homes? That to me is perfectly good cause.

So, I guess, yeah.. Seems a bit capricious why some get and some don't... Wonder if there were other factors at play?
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/\ Wanting to defend one's self if a perfectly good GC.
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/\ Wanting to defend one's self if a perfectly good GC.
Agreed. But, currently in OC that's not going to get a permit. In the meantime, your GC should probably not say that. That's all I was saying.
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Seriously. Are you trying to make enemies on this board??
No, actually.. I'm not. I sincerely hope I'm not actually pissing people off, as opposed to just having a lively discussion/debate
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pg 56 is interesting... someone at Saddleback is carrying now.
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/\ There were a couple of those. RW is well connected, I am sure that helped. However, someone on the security team at a smaller church in Fullerton got denied.
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. I sincerely hope I'm not actually pissing people off, as opposed to just having a lively discussion/debate
May I suggest a new tact? You've made some inflammatory statements that imply a failure of rudimentary comprehension by potential applicants.

Again, it went well for you and I'm happy for you - enjoy.

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The denied good cause statements are available here
I'm willing to speculate that you could lay out a pile of "approved" applications and a pile of "denied" applications and nobody at all could distinguish the two piles. You would need to remove the obvious "retired LEO/judge" - I'm talking private citizen applications.

Why is one real estate agent approve and another denied?
Why is one guy fearing work in bad neighborhoods approve and another denied?

It's ridiculous.

Of course there's moral character - which, I hope in our new LTC world will simply be a non-prohibited class individual.
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I just want to be very clear here: HowardW56, Connor P Price, dantodd, obeygiant, and other have invested countless hours as volunteers in facilitating our Sunshine Initiative because they care enough to do what few like to do - work hard for your rights. No one involved wants anything other than - at minimum - a shall-issue system.

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As far as the HVAC contractor, being a contractor myself, I have been in some pretty shady neighborhoods with tools, equipment and material worth $10,000+ (500 lbs of copper is an easy target, $300 tool is worth $20 of crack). You travel every where and not to places you are familiar. Been in downtown LA to come out to the truck to find every latch pried out, been stared down by vatos who took exception to my presence in thier "hood", and was suppose to be in south central the night of the riots (only being aware of the verdict and common sense saved me from being there). You don't f... with a mans tools and livelihood! My GC statement would follow along those lines.

I would look for similar statements and time frames where 1 applicant was approved and the other denied. Goes to equal protection vs favoritism.
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As far as the HVAC contractor, being a contractor myself, I have been in some pretty shady neighborhoods with tools, equipment and material worth $10,000+ (500 lbs of copper is an easy target, $300 tool is worth $20 of crack). You travel every where and not to places you are familiar. Been in downtown LA to come out to the truck to find every latch pried out, been stared down by vatos who took exception to my presence in thier "hood", and was suppose to be in south central the night of the riots (only being aware of the verdict and common sense saved me from being there). You don't f... with a mans tools and livelihood! My GC statement would follow along those lines.

I would look for similar statements and time frames where 1 applicant was approved and the other denied. Goes to equal protection vs favoritism.
You might want to look through the Riverside LTC forum. Sounds like you might have a pretty good GC. Probably wouldn't include the part about f'ing with a man and his tools, though.
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As far as the HVAC contractor, being a contractor myself, I have been in some pretty shady neighborhoods with tools, equipment and material worth $10,000+ (500 lbs of copper is an easy target, $300 tool is worth $20 of crack). You travel every where and not to places you are familiar. Been in downtown LA to come out to the truck to find every latch pried out, been stared down by vatos who took exception to my presence in thier "hood", and was suppose to be in south central the night of the riots (only being aware of the verdict and common sense saved me from being there). You don't f... with a mans tools and livelihood! My GC statement would follow along those lines.

I would look for similar statements and time frames where 1 applicant was approved and the other denied. Goes to equal protection vs favoritism.
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You might want to look through the Riverside LTC forum. Sounds like you might have a pretty good GC. Probably wouldn't include the part about f'ing with a man and his tools, though.
+1. I'd say in Riverside, that a GC with those facts would get you an approval (assuming there's nothing that would disqualify, etc..).

It's not as hard to get a CCW as some would have you believe.

But, yeah, keep the GC statement free of profanity though.. LOL
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What’s a “Professional Services Responder? or ‘PSR’”?
OC Sheriff's dept name for someone who is a Sheriff's volunteer, but not a cadet nor a sworn reserve officer, who has some special skill, training, education that aids the departments with the special need.

For instance, geologist (degree'd) might be used in Search and Rescue due to his expertise in soils, which could help identify the age of tracks and clues for a missing person, etc. Or a Mechnical Engineer to help design a new Mobile Tac truck.

In the past many of these people were confused with and lumped in with the alleged "Carona" reseves, the ones that had badges and were lambasted in the press.

The PSR's help departments get things done and for free, the benefit to the person who is the PSR is some training about the Sheriff dept, gives back to the community and in some cases may result in helping those professions that have continuing education requirements.
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+1. I wonder how many people who applied with even remotely reasonable GC's (i.e. you didn't write something crazy on the app) got denied? Are GC's in OC just an exercise to show you took the time to read up on what OC considers to be a reasonable GC?
My friend got his renewal denied. He has a check cashing place in a seedy part of town. He's been stuck up. The lea said "use a amour car service"
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OC Sheriff's dept name for someone who is a Sheriff's volunteer, but not a cadet nor a sworn reserve officer, who has some special skill, training, education that aids the departments with the special need.

For instance, geologist (degree'd) might be used in Search and Rescue due to his expertise in soils, which could help identify the age of tracks and clues for a missing person, etc. Or a Mechnical Engineer to help design a new Mobile Tac truck.

In the past many of these people were confused with and lumped in with the alleged "Carona" reseves, the ones that had badges and were lambasted in the press.

The PSR's help departments get things done and for free, the benefit to the person who is the PSR is some training about the Sheriff dept, gives back to the community and in some cases may result in helping those professions that have continuing education requirements.


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My friend got his renewal denied. He has a check cashing place in a seedy part of town. He's been stuck up. The lea said "use a amour car service"
Oceanside Police Chief second in command (forgot his name) told me, "...you can open carry" a few months back.

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As far as the HVAC contractor, being a contractor myself, I have been in some pretty shady neighborhoods with tools, equipment and material worth $10,000+ (500 lbs of copper is an easy target, $300 tool is worth $20 of crack). You travel every where and not to places you are familiar. Been in downtown LA to come out to the truck to find every latch pried out, been stared down by vatos who took exception to my presence in thier "hood", and was suppose to be in south central the night of the riots (only being aware of the verdict and common sense saved me from being there). You don't f... with a mans tools and livelihood! My GC statement would follow along those lines.

I would look for similar statements and time frames where 1 applicant was approved and the other denied. Goes to equal protection vs favoritism.
Think I gave the wrong impression, I was going more along the lines of what could be the reasons the contractor got approved. You can't always choose where your customers are located. But my GC would be close to or similar, without the F... part of course.

What time period are the approval and denials in? Reading through them there doesn't seem to be that many. Is OC's reputation such that no one applies? Maybe they have been culled? Any idea about when the other batches will be released? Most have to do with LE, firearms, and jewelers it seems. Some of the denials are very similar to ones that were approved.
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So, I guess, yeah.. Seems a bit capricious why some get and some don't... Wonder if there were other factors at play?
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No, actually.. I'm not. I sincerely hope I'm not actually pissing people off, as opposed to just having a lively discussion/debate
You're doing a fair job of it here. Your "analysis" of other peoples' situations are usually weak and shallow; sometimes baseless. You very much have the attitude of "I've got mine, don't care about you." tainting your posts regarding LTCs, especially, when you're trying to be "helpful" or persuade others to apply. Please sit back, and keep your thoughts to yourself for a little while, it would be appreciated.

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I'm willing to speculate that you could lay out a pile of "approved" applications and a pile of "denied" applications and nobody at all could distinguish the two piles. You would need to remove the obvious "retired LEO/judge" - I'm talking private citizen applications.

Why is one real estate agent approve and another denied?
Why is one guy fearing work in bad neighborhoods approve and another denied?

It's ridiculous.

Of course there's moral character - which, I hope in our new LTC world will simply be a non-prohibited class individual.
This is also what upsets me. The subjective and arbitrary decision process by one person.
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Since Orange County looks like it's going back to requiring something more than self defense "good cause," I thought I'd bump this thread (and get it moved to the CCW subforum). The original link to the denied and approved good cause statements on the CGF website is now broken, so if anyone still has those PDFs, I think it would be great to be able to read them.
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batch not found.
I wonder if there's a reason for this. Between ~2012 when all of these good cause statements were posted and now, something must have happened for CGF to remove access to it. I understand that NBC v. Block allows some level of public access to CCW applications so I don't think what they did back then was illegal, but maybe it was a privacy matter?

The volunteers (HowardW56 in particular) did a good job redacting out a lot of the more specific information before publication.


Maybe the information is not as relevant anymore because it's a different Sheriff's discretion that the latest good cause statements must address, and nobody is really sure what qualifies and what doesn't. Nevertheless, some guidance from the past would be helpful.

ETA: Turns out it's just outdated information. Paladin provides an explanation here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...1#post15436351
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