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Orange County Sheriff Announces CCW Policy Change
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They may confirm you actually work there and don't have any workplace violence type of issues, but that's it. I think once the interviews start happening they aren't going to have time for much other than to run your background. OC never did "knock and talk" interviews with your neighbors or employers. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 2
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I need to move OC then because in San Bernardino county I hear they send a letter to your employer & speak to neighbors that's too much info IMO
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It's, been a while, I don't remember, but it was very easy. Sent from my iPhone; pardon any typos.
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Im concerned with this contacting a neighbor business.
I have some neighbors I trust, but I have one next to me that I'd rather not have him or his rather large extended family know I have a firearm in the house. I understand they could glean some useful information from your neighbors in determining character, but not at the expense of becoming a potential target for burglary. Any input is welcomed.
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Orange County Sheriff Announces CCW Policy Change
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OC previously didn't contact neighboring businesses, so I doubt they'd do it now. Besides, if someone wants to burglarize you, I doubt knowing you now carry a pistol will increase those odds. Sent from my iPhone; pardon any typos.
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Do you submit your application packet first or just bring it with you on your interview date?
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From what I have heard, she is not there on Fridays.
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I have a good safe and a damn good GSD. I just don't need the drama.
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I contacted Melissa via email on Thursday night and she got back to me that evening at 11pm! Guess she's working long hours with the new backlog??
Anyways my appt is for July 1st. We're finally getting somewhere.
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I have friends who waited and were nervous about denials when I applied after Sykes. I applied in June, by December I was packing. It got streamed line for a few months the next year when the department hired (2) detectives to assist Amber Wong (who until then had been doing everything herself and only handled ccw's part time). But as more and more people began to submit applications, it all bogged down again. OC is larger then Sacramento, you guys probably have (1) person who handles CCW's right now and they probably only do it part time like Amber did, that person normally had 4-5 apps a week, now they are getting hundreds of apps a day. Be realistic.
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Some of what I have to say is based on hearsay, and I will identify those points. A lot of people are worried about tickets and other petty crimes from many moons ago. Let me address this one point. Hear comes the hearsay part. I have heard in my travels that a lot of people when interviewing to become a cop, admit to having tried marijuana or other drugs in their youth. I have also heard (more hearsay) that if you are a person that is trying to become a cop and claim you have never imbibed, you are looked at as suspect. Now IF, this is true. Big IF, why would it be a disqualifier for a citizen to carry because of these reasons, and not a cop. Again please!, I don't want to hear "because they are special" comments, and all the other sarcasm. This is a serious question to a problem that may hamstring good law abiding gun owners from getting to exercise a constitutional right. Now, if my hearsay is not fact, then the question is moot. Maybe some LEO can chime in on this if appropriate, and correct me if I am wrong. I did for a fact, read that in Florida they lowered their standards for recruits because they could not find any that had a spotless record. I realize we are talking Florida, and that doesn't mean we do the same in California. I'm just looking for a solution that is fair for all. Now, I'm not saying that if a cop has a ticket or smoked a joint in his past, he should lose his gun. What I am saying is that if it is ok for one man to do this and carry, it should be ok for the next man to do the same, regardless of his position in life. In other words, lets not let the politicians play anymore games with our freedoms. Again, please don't turn this into something it isn't. Most of the cops I have met in my life were ok with civilians having guns as long as you were not a dirtbag. My beef is not with them, it is with the people in charge. Thanks!
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^^^ your assessment is spot on...
in my teens to early 20s, I had a very good friend who's father was a prominent law enforcement official (I will leave it at that)... I know first hand that many LEO are far from "moral" in MANY aspects... some of the things I came to know would make an average Joe look like a thug... Later in life I've had acquaintances that are LEO (and DOJ at one point)... they have more tainted past than most people I know... I have always been under the impression that being less than truthful when applying for LEO position would not only disqualify, but could be criminal... from what I can tell, there are people that find ways to keep certain parts of their life under-wraps (and become law enforcement anyway). But to your point... if someone applying for CCW disclosed the things I've known about the above - there is no way in hell they would get a permit. |
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OC has a population of 3,000,000. If 2% of the population desires a LTC (60,000) at 2 per day that would be 30,000 days. Assuming 250 work days per year it would take 120 years to issue those permits...better get in line now! Of course, with a $200 licensing fee, those 60,000 licenses comes to $12,000,000 for the Sheriff, way more than enough to fund some more bodies processing applications. |
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I have to imagine they'll eventually streamline the process. Eventually, I think the local agencies will scream and DOJ will take it over. Sent from my iPhone; please pardon typos & edits.
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“Bottom line is the sheriff is going to abide by the law,” said Lt. Jeff Hallock, a spokesman for O.C. Sheriff Sandra Hutchens.
Now let's see if the other Sheriffs will follow the law as well. |
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False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. -- Cesare Beccaria http://www.a-human-right.com/ Last edited by Liberty1; 02-22-2014 at 5:16 PM.. Reason: Change 1/2 hr training to min. required |
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They should open it up so that you can apply to any sheriff in the state. With an potential of $200,000,000 in license fees let in some free enterprise and allow the sheriffs compete with each other based on customer service. I'm pretty sure the Sheriffs of Trinity and Modoc counties would love the business (and the cash). |
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CCW is and will always be politically motivated... its a chess match on many levels... Pro 2A can boast (and should) about "win"... but revenue will never be a factor... It's been proven many times over - with issues WAY bigger than CCW - that increasing taxes will generate whatever revenue is desired... and to think that CCW fees will decrease that demand/fact - is naive. |
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I just sent Melissa an Email ,so far its gone through .
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Already pushed out till April ****
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Automated reply saying we're busy and will get to you when we can.
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Email, you will get through quicker without holding the phone to your ear for an hour. Someone in another thread reported that they have a new email address for permits: CCWpermits@ocsd.org Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 2
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If you live in Tustin and have applied with OCSD, if asked by the interviewer if you tried to get a permit through Tustin first, Megan (who was very polite on the phone) advised that Tustin PD does not issue permits. |
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fishy
I contacted them Friday and have an appointment for late summer. I'm happy because it has been my dream for a long time to have a CCW, but I am sad it so delayed.
With that being said, the more time that has gone by has had me thinking, Is anyone else skeptical about OCSD jumping on the bandwagon immediately? Why would a semi anti-LTC sheriff almost instantly bend over? Life has taught me that most things that are too good to be true usually are. Thoughts?
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http://michellawyers.com/mckay-v-sheriff-hutchens/ |
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