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California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism Discuss gun rights activism and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
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5 cent per bullet tax....?
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They ought to acquaint themselves with Minneapolis Star Tribune Company v. Commissioner or one of our rockstar litigators will.
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If this was the ONLY new gun legislation guaranteed, I would take it in a heartbeat, but since we know this is only the tip of the ice berg, I'll keep my nickels..... might have to melt them down in to ammo slugs, ya never know.
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One California version is the subject of this thread -- http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...php?p=10370760 the other is AB 760 http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...arch_keywords= filed today, Feb 21.
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You have to buy bullets to reload your used brass.
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No you don't.
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No- it will drive reloading underground by making it too costly to practice. The tax would be applied to each component. Bullet. Case. Primer. So that puts 15 cents of tax on each cartridge you produce if you are purchasing the components through a retailer.
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After reading AB 760, all I can say is WTF has happened to this state?
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If this doesn't get struck down by the courts, does it mean that gangbangers can now be prosecuted for tax evasion when they procure bullets illegally and use them to shoot people?
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Can't reload rimfire. This will double the cost of .22lr.
-Ruskie
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I suspect this is actually a "cartridge tax" but just the same bullets can be acquired with a short drive over the hill.
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What has happened to this state is called "terminal liberalitis".
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arent they already trying to restrict online ammo sales, and bringing in ammo from out of state? something like that...
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Call and give this Democratic Socialist traitor a piece of your mind.
The bill is AB 760 and the legislative representative handling this for Assemblyman Roger Dickson is Less Spahn. You can contact him at (916) 319-2007. |
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Are you kidding me? You would compromise on principles? Time for some reading homework if you would like to comment inteligently. http://rebirthofreason.com/Articles/..._Reality.shtml
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when the tax beats the cost of travel
well just look at cigarettes http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/346...nations-lowest Last edited by bohoki; 02-22-2013 at 12:53 PM.. |
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.22lr bulk packs would now cost more in tax than in retail....
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This reminds me of the cigarette tax. They figure if they make it expensive to shoot people won't do it.
People are doing drugs that cost them more than they bring home in a month. Doesn't stop them from doing it. Just makes them get more creative about how to get money. Steal, lie, whatever suits them. I wish some common sense would prevail. I know that is asking too much from the loonies in the government. |
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G60 is spot on. See also: Simon & Schuster, Inc. v. Members of the N.Y. State Crime Victims with similar outcome on NY's son of sam law. What is most particularly bothersome about the Cal. bills is that the legislators who propose this leglislation do so either knowing or should know that such is unconstitutional under both the federal and state constitution.
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CRV?
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If all of these stupid laws pass I will be taking 10k out of the ol' brokerage account and starting a class action lawsuit against the state and the feds. I guarantee I won't be alone and we will be able to afford and retain council that is way scarier than their council.
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Hopefully retailers would get creative and for a simple donation to the store, you get a free box or boxes of ammo depending on the size of the donation. For a measly $25 donation, you get a free 525 pack of federal .22lr.
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It's a fun game now. The lawmakers sit around trying to see how many new bills they can come up with to screw law abiding gun owners. It has zero to do with these sick guys that shoot up schools. Nothing to do with that at all. It has to do with power over the people and transforming our society into something else entirely.
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