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im not sure but I think its because
Some xxx films make the young lady come in for a interview where they must preform on that couch to see if there right for the job ,,,,,if you follow what im saying I cant say it any other way without being banned
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Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764 |
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I'm all about the 10th Amendment... EXCEPT when it's trumped by enumerated rights in the Bill of Rights.
Has anyone tried challenging that case under Constitutional grounds? 10 USC § 311 is definitely in conflict with Ca PC 11460.
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The militia has not required an application between our country's founding and now. Even if it did require an application, you're screwing me out of using an FAL. Why the discrimination? -hanko
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that looks more like an assistant's couch to me
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Oh the "couch"!!!! Not sure I'd want to join a militia using the couch to interview new "members"!!
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In. But only if I can use an ak as a primary weapon, and an ak pistol as a sidearm.
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I feel like I have lost IQ points for reading this thread.
Regulate does not mean regulation. A regular was an infantryman of the time. To regulate is to make a unit able operate on the field of battle. Substandard militia was a problem for the early american army. There were two type of militia. The select and the unorganized general militia. We are all members of the general militia. |
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so what camo are we wearing?
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2) don't like Army Hooah Hats 3) don't want to downgrade on weapons Or more seriously anyone with some skepticism about the Federal Leviathan when federalized or Moonbeam and Sacramento Cow Town when not?
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Sorry, but no, I don't.
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Okay. I guess there is a California law which clearly states we cannot join together and practice with our firarms.
I, for one, am disgusted with this blatant infringement of our right keep and bear arms, as well as our right to join in a well-regulated militia, which will ultimately serve necessary to our free state. Forget applications. When do you all want to meet? Yeah all those other FAL's AK's and 6.8 etc are acceptable, however we will be ranking indiviuals in terms of accuracy, marksmanship, etc. These will only be open to 5.56 for the rifles. |
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Do note that unless you meet the National Guard's age and other physical and training requirements you can't join them. This means that you cannot join an effective militia in this state based on your age. Also, even if you go to the unorganized militia, there are age limitations and (unless they've revised the code) women are not permitted. So belonging to the National Guard in California is literally impossible for many of us. The SMR and other portions of the official militia are also barred to many. The other thing to realize is that the National Guard is not the same as the militia our founders knew and implicitly recognized within the Second Amendment. The militia was largely a community-based project and its leadership was elected by its members. This meant that it was not really under very tight control by either the state or the federal governments. An odd little story? There is apparently still a historic militia back East (I think in Philadelphia). It is largely ceremonial in function at this time although it seems you have to belong to the National Guard in order to be in it. A number of years back (2001 in particular) I had the odd distinction of being in the presence of two members of the California Army National Guard who also belonged to that one historic unit and got to watch them go at each other verbally. It seems that the more senior of the two was not as well liked within that unit and the more junior (in service) had been elected to a higher rank before the more senior had - pretty much hated the more junior (in service) fellow. Net effect is that there are still technically militia from historic times which maintain some of the leadership traditions even though the unit itself is now primarily social and farcical (IMHO).
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It's a good thing the colonial army was not well regulated or things may have gone the other way. British soldiers fought in columns which was a clear disadvantage.
The "unregulated" colonial army hid behind trees and took any advantage they could find. And no couch for me.
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We have a legit militia here in California (seriously): http://www.calguard.ca.gov/casmr/Pages/default.aspx |
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that does look like an official militia.
The problem is, our state is not free. We cannot possess a loaded or unloaded handgun, concealed or non-concealed. We cannot bear loaded firearms, and if were to during an emergecy situaion we would likely be shot by the local, state, or federal police. |
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American Irregulars were... irregular. Some units performed well, but many did not.
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How can 6.8 be acceptable if it's still only open to 5.56? Your lack of gun knowledge makes me think you studied under this fine lady:
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glad I'm not the only one that recognized that...
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The SMR is nothing like a legitimate militia. In my experience they mostly provide training support for the CNG. Don't get me wrong, it is very valuable support and the members of the SMR should be very, very proud of what they do - but it's not much of a militia. And I have been a member of both the unorganized and the organized militia as defined in the California code.
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True, but this was the point I was making about some of the tactics shown in this illustration...
The British also had the logistical problem of resupply. A lot of what they needed couldn't arrive quick enough over the high seas in wooden tall ships. Quote:
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I was thinking way off somewhere....
I kept looking for a hole in the desk that it was the infamous desk assasin from san fransucko..... Boy was I wrong.... Ya know... yee's brother in law that kept trying to bust people at gunshows? What was his name????? Thats what I was thinking with a picture of a desk..... |
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CA is may-issue, not no-issue. There are people with carry permits. I'm one of them. Anyone can carry an unloaded concealed handgun (LUCC). Yes, there's room for improvement, and it's coming. The best thing about this thread is the couch photo. |
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umm seems pretty dead on talking about militias ever wonder why all the cal militias meet and train in nevada ? BECAUSE ITS ILLEGAL WITHIN CA STATE LINES
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Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764 |
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Lots of good points here:
http://www.guncite.com/rrmilitia.html |
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I am not a lawyer but I advise you to drop this idea: Quote:
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Can someone please post a link to explain the backstory of the mystery couch
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I prefer sexting
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-------------------------------------------- PENAL CODE SECTION 11460 11460. (a) Any two or more persons who assemble as a paramilitary organization for the purpose of practicing with weapons shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one year or by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment. As used in this subdivision, "paramilitary organization" means an organization which is not an agency of the United States government or of the State of California, or which is not a private school meeting the requirements set forth in Section 48222 of the Education Code, but which engages in instruction or training in guerrilla warfare or sabotage, or which, as an organization, engages in rioting or the violent disruption of, or the violent interference with, school activities. (b) (1) Any person who teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or destructive device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that these objects or techniques will be unlawfully employed for use in, or in the furtherance of a civil disorder, or any person who assembles with one or more other persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or destructive device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, with the intent to cause or further a civil disorder, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than one year or by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment. Nothing in this subdivision shall make unlawful any act of any peace officer or a member of the military forces of this state or of the United States, performed in the lawful course of his or her official duties. (2) As used in this section: (A) "Civil disorder" means any disturbance involving acts of violence which cause an immediate danger of or results in damage or injury to the property or person of any other individual. (B) "Destructive device" has the same meaning as in Section 16460. (C) "Explosive" has the same meaning as in Section 12000 of the Health and Safety Code. (D) "Firearm" means any device designed to be used as a weapon, or which may readily be converted to a weapon, from which is expelled a projectile by the force of any explosion or other form of combustion, or the frame or receiver of this weapon. (E) "Peace officer" means any peace officer or other officer having the powers of arrest of a peace officer, specified in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2.
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Heck, if your in the los angelas area and you want to join a well regulated militia who use auto m16's and sidearms, all ya gotta do wear blue and walk around like your feet are broken.
Might even get a chance to put your practice to the test! |
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