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Old 03-03-2019, 11:09 PM
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I think I'm ethically okay with messing with this 100+ year old Portuguese Cleaver that I bought off E Bay. I've run out of room in my safe so rather than buy any more guns, I've started collecting and making/altering melee weapons. I plan to grind and sand all the rust and patina off this cleaver, sharpen it, and possibly polish it and possibly wrap the handle in leather or wood.

Has anybody got a problem with this? I don't see this cleaver as very important as it was a simple old tool that also isn't old enough to be any real loss.
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I’d be worried it is real brittle or may turn to dust if used to chop. It looks like it has been under water a long time or maybe ultra humid environment. I don’t know enough about metalurgy to say if it is suitable for actual use. If it is iron, maybe it is good to go still?

It looks awesome though as-is! Killer wall hangar. How does it appear the blade is joined to the handle and how long is the tang if you can see it?
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Old 03-04-2019, 12:04 AM
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I haven't received it yet.

From the E Bay Listing:
Genuine Antique Unique 1800 Primitive Enormous Giant Meat Cleaver Butcher Steel Knife Chopper

Very Strong - Very Collectible and Decorative

Length: 49.5cm (19.5")
Weight: 2150 (About 4 1/2 lbs.)



My last project was a Greek Spear. It came out great and I found a really good custom leather guy in the process.

This time I wanted to do some kind of cool old cleaver.
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Old 03-04-2019, 12:21 AM
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Whats the handle made of?
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Old 03-04-2019, 12:33 AM
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If it’s gonna be safe and not shatter when used, I say go for it!
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I would try using electricity to remove all the rust and keep the pitting. Put a nice edge on it and make a neat handle.
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Bone handle from a meat kill. Your project your knife make it sharp and usable.
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Find someone who offers his service:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CLaBFkeHG0A
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Here's the BEFORE again:


OK so I received the cleaver and it's definitely solid under all that rust. It's HEAVY. I soaked it to get the rust off then hit it with power sanders. I've got a grinder, but I don't know anything about metalworking and didn't trust myself to use the grinder on this thing.



This is what I've got right now. All I did was take the rust off. I'm debating about leaving it rough as it is and then maybe doing a cold blue finish, or grinding and polishing it a lot more to get a closer to mirror finish. If I go the mirror way, there are going to be imperfections. Some of the pitting is too deep to grind out. I don't want to thin the blade that much. Opinions please?

Here the spine of the blade in on top and we can see the rough kind of rolling edge that is still on the bottom. The finish is rough with some pitting and it oozes character. Is this metal likely to clean up well or will it still look rough if I keep sanding on it?



Also, what to do if anything on the handle? Opinions?

This thing is all steel and unless I'm mistaken it is forge welded together. The handle and the blade are different kinds of steel and it looks like the handle came in two parts and the smith sandwiched the tang of the blade between the two halves of the handle.
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Some kind of cool leather wrapped padded cover on the handle.

Id leave the pitting for the most part. Why grindoff all the character? It took over a century to get that way.

Im always in a let the history shine thru camp.

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Sandblast at most. Grinding leaves ugly marks and won't clean the pits.
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Let’s see the spear.
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I’d do a rust blue or a forced patina of some sort to keep it from rusting, or just be ready to oil it regular.

I think a leather wrap would be cool, if you do that maybe use a lacquer or epoxy underneath so it doesn’t rust.

Keep posting pics. Oh, bladeforums is great for info

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Id leave it. The dark pitting is rad. Just put a nice edge on it and make a cool handle. You will regret grinding out the pitting. A surface that big is going to be impossible to get smooth with only a hand grinder.
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This is Windlass stuff, purchased from Kult of Athena.



I think it came in around $130 with shipping for everything. The shaft is ash that I stained dark red and then put some striping on it with fire and sealed it with polyurethane. (I already had the stain, poly and cold blue goo.)



The metal I cold blued and then sharpened it and drilled and pinned it to the shaft.



This thing is rock solid and stabby as hell.



The sheath I bought off a guy on Etsy who does business under the name "Seawolf leather".



Good prices and a good product with fast shipping.
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Here's the sheath



and a full length pic

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I've pretty much decided that you guys are right and I should keep the pitting and cold blue the Portuguese Cleaver. I figure if I don't like it I can still do the sanding afterward.

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Definitely keep the pitting. It adds character.

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1800s Portuguese Cleaver project continued...

I've got to order some more cold blue and it's going to take a week or two to get here, so I thought that I'd figure out the handle. Here are a few possibilities. OPINIONS?

Remember that the metal is going to be blued. (I'm going to have to wire brush the poop out of this thing to get it to take that blue creme, right?)

This one is thin black leather lace that would run the length of the handle.



Here are some other colors that could be done with leather strips. I keep laughing about the idea of bluing this thing really dark then
putting bright white leather on the handle. That would be an attention getter.



This is the thickest black leather that I have. It's a cool and butch look, but it also looks just like some of my other projects
and I'd like this one to be unique.



Lastly, tennis racket tape, which actually looks pretty good.



If you have a preference for one of these, please say so. If you have a cooler idea, please share it.
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I would consider rust blue not cold blue. May need to do the blade then the handle unless you have a very deep pot to boil it in.

I like that wide black leather strip on the handle. But it wont give much contrast after the blueing. A brown strap that wide might look good too.
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I second rust blueing or something else other than cold blue.

A forced patina mentioned above also would be better.

Also some style of intricate leather weave wrap on handle.


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I like that weave idea. And while it’s easy to replace, I don’t think racquet tape will hold up well.
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Searching Youtube for weave and rust blue videos. Cold blue is what I know how to do, so that was my default. I'll look it up, thanks.

The blade looks like the surface of the moon. I'm not sure if I can leave it that pitted. I'll look at it again tonight after work.
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