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I have bought a number of guns from Turner's and have never had them order it after I buy. I have always had the firearm there to inspect prior to purchase.
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Turners is the FFL. Turners has possession of the firearm. It may not be at that particular site but they have it.
Second, your not forced to finish the DROS and take possession of it just because you start DROS on a particular firearm, at least that's been my impression. I've always gotten the opportunity to inspect before we finalize the DROS. Why the weird quasi support of DOJ underground regulation?
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DOJ does NOT do an inventory in an incident like this.
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We have some customers that ask to start DROS on a firearm before it arrives. I ask them to waive their right of initial inspection. The ones that are willing to do that start DROS early if we can get the info needed. They understand they will lose fees if they decide they do not want to move forward at the time of pickup due to any issues. It's their risk/rewards they get to decide on. I'm ok with giving them that choice. Some folks elect to wait to inspect before starting paperwork. I'd say 95% choose that. But those 5% haven't had a bad experience yet with what they got. For them the rewards has panned out so far.
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I don't recall this one. Is it in the DES system or was it pre DES?
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I always thought that was the law. I can completely understand why you need to have the firearm. I don't see a problem with this at all. When I order a firearm the DROS begins after it arrives, not before. I'm good with that.
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Went to Turner's yesterday, the guy behind counter knew about this, said Turner's has a new policy started last week that DROS will not start until Thursdays when the physical firearm is checked in at their store (Thursday is their delivery day). That means you won't be able to pick up the firearm 10 days from that Thursday (which will always be a Sunday). Potentially seeing a 17 day wait now if you happen to buy a gun from their warehouse on a Thursday because they can't start DROS until the following Thursday's delivery. Sundays will be insane because everyone from the week who DROS'd a gun will be there to pick up. He said customer's won't have to come back for the Thursday DROS, they will run a "soft DROS", assuming that means they run the DROS with the information you left with them when you started the paperwork.
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I would never buy a gun without having it in my hands to inspect first
Ive seen too many that appear to be demo models, or have cosmetic flaws, or could be the gun they brought to numerous gun shows with excessive handling / dry firings. I was about to buy a shotgun at BIG 5, but noticed it had a noticeable scratch on the receiver, I drove to another store 40 miles away for the nicer one they had in stock without any cosmetic flaws. |
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I have never heard of nor seen any FFL who would actually submit a Dros into the system if the gun was not right there on the counter and in front of him. Not sure any Turners store would do that either, since they know how screwed up their inventory and delivery systems. are. I did not read all posts. Has anyone ever bought a gun that was not physically in store at Turners, paid for it, dros submitted that day and picked up in 10 days?? My guess, They prolly sold too many things hoping it will come from the warehouse, but some did not get delivered/got lost/sold a warehouse gun to two different customers/sent to wrong store... . This is an attempt to cut down on the headaches. Last edited by heidad01; 05-22-2018 at 9:53 AM.. |
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went in, and bought one and the guy handling my DROS (i believe was a manager as he was in a black polo) said i couldn't really "check it out" since it was in the warehouse. that was my first, and i think only gun purchase from turners and i got lucky that my rifle had no issues when i went in to pick it up about 2 weeks later.
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every gun I've ever purchased at turners, save one, was in the warehouse when I started DROS. As long as they have a serial number, they would start.
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Stockholm syndrome?
“Doesn’t effect me so I don’t care” attitude? Kalifornians?
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I too have purchased many guns from Turners, most from the Rancho store. I've always had a display gun to see and do the safty handling check but they never have the gun that I dros, they just look up the next serial number from the warehouse in the computer. Its never been an issue.
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If that was the case, I would not have gotten dinged on a DoJ inspection for doing the DROS without the gun being present. I viewed it as a spiteful ding because it was an off-roster piece for an LEO customer.
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Also not legal. To run a DROS they need to attempt to swipe your drivers license so unless you are leaving it with them they are still breaking the law. |
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For the slow learners: YOU get to inspect the firearm when you PICKUP. It's not the same as buying sight unseen with no recourse, as too many keep insinuating. Quote:
Turners is the FFL, they have several locations, probably not several FFL's. They're operating under one FFL and they have several stores with a main warehouse. They own and have possession of the inventory they're selling, it just might not be at the location your currently standing at. They are NOT starting DROS on some firearm being transferred from a different FFL's inventory. |
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They did inspect my inventory but more along the lines of verifying rifles were CA legal. Maybe it's something they are checking for now. How recent was your inspection? My last DOJ one was ~2 years ago. ETA: I just realized the post you quoted of mine was in regards to what happens in a firearm loss. I'm not sure if you were referring to a burglary or robbery you were involved in. I was. CA DOJ NEVER asked me anything about the incident. Only ATF came in to inventory after the incident. That's what I was referring to in that post. I was specifically responding to: Quote:
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But I have to ask, how do you know this? Is it because an FFL can ONLY be valid for one physical location? A person (corporation) can have multiple licences? How does that look on paper, are there license "numbers?" |
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You'll see places like Big 5 Sporting Goods #1 - #100 as an example. Many of them have a single mailing addresses (corporate), but the premises address is the "per location" address. And I'm guessing you've never seen an FFL document. It looks exactly like an FFL03 / C&R doc but with different numbers. Every single FFL has a license number. For example: https://fflezcheck.atf.gov/fflezchec...&licsSeq=00560 THe FFL Of each location is required to be posted. Next time you go into any FFL ask to see it (likely behind the counter next to their business license / state reseller's tax license, etc...).
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The last 4 DOJ audits I had (last less than 2 years ago) the first thing they did is verify that every gun in the 10 day wait was physically in the store. Said one of the main things they look for is that dealers are making people wait the 10 days.
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whether or not individuals here approve or disapprove this action by DOJ the fact remains it is a tightening of the screws, particularly on Turners.
the company has for years been the target of a high level of Ca DOJ inspections. for better than 30 years the company has operated, under DOJ approval, the warehouse system. the fact that DOJ reversed this long-standing system should not be seen as a positive development. the goal is to shut down the firearms trade in this state. if this action by DOJ makes one happy, that person needs to re-evaluate their commitment to the cause.
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I don't, just worked in the industry off and on for years for many different FFL's
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Which Turner's do you work at?
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Purchased a pistol yesterday from Turner's. Yup, the new rule is in affect for Turner's. Sales person stated that the firearm must be present in order to start the DROS. This means a longer wait time. Since i purchased it on a Tuesday, the pistol won't arrive at the store til Friday, DROS starts Friday. Salesperson stated that I wouldn't have to come in. They would start the DROS automatically but would call me to confirm. Instead of a 10 day jail time, now its 14 for me.
Bottom line: firearm must be in the possession of the retailer in order to start DROS. In the Rancho store, they were making more room for inventory to circumvent this issue. The battle continues.
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So, are they using form BOF 929 at point of sale, then running when the delivery is received?
I was under the impression that the worksheet was for use when a Computer was not available, not the firearm. Tagged for further research, but I found the following: https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs#6G FAQ 9-11 describe a silly process where you swipe the card into a word processor, then print that out, unless your swipe fails, then a photocopy will suffice. What a circus. |
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Not a Mensa level leap. All due respect.
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Spoke w someone at Turners. If the gun is not at store, they will still do your paperwork, 4473 etc., and submit the DROS once it is at the the store, hence, the customer will not need to come back to start the DROS, but will not know exactly when 10 x 24 hour periods are done.
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In free states you do the 10 min background check and walk out with the firearm you looked at. That’s how it should be. At least the CDOJ is modernizing some of their old bad habits that simply don’t fly in other states. |
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