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Whether it's worth it is up to the individual, People also are unaware of the $300ish or so IP upcharge for a Horus/Christmas tree type reticle on Nightforce and many scopes which will add to the cost of the ATACR.
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Ah, misread. The accupowers actually are decent scopes, but I didn't find it to be any better than the Burris XTR II 1-8. Will have to wait and see how the NF compares.
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My biggest disappointment with the accupower, razor and kahles and other 1-4-1-8 scopes is there low light performance. It could just be a personal issue but I use my rifle almost daily. I just hope the 34mm NF has great low light performance
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Same as for any other scope: there is more real estate available, so it easier to fit a decent 8x erector mechanism in there. The higher the magnification ratio, the harder it is to fit in a smaller tube. To make everything work you have to go with a very short focal length objective system, which causes rather shallow depth of field, which is a problem for scopes without parallax/focus adjustment.
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I picked up the SWFA SS HD 1-6 when they first came out and it was very impressive. Not sure how they compare to the NF without having one in each hand though.
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For years, a sort of a general purpose low magnification design has been the 1.5-6x42, but that was largely abandoned by manufacturers until the recent wave of high erector ratio scopes. However, no matter how you slice it, if you want better low light performance, you have to give up 1x on the low end. I have worked around that by taking a larger objective scope and adding a miniature red dot sight on a 45 degree mount. ILya www.opticsthoughts.com |
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The NF 2.5-10x32 with Velocity reticles were always great for me on my AR-10s. Sadly, those are now 42mm and the Velocity reticles are gone as well. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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A decent review on the ATACR here:
https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/nig...e-full-review/
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This looks like something EVERYONE needs to be coping again from NF. I remember when they made that 2-10 scope and that was awesome. I might sell my Trijicon ECOS for this.
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I can't wait for them to come in
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What is your preferred NF reticle, ILya? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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All I want is a simple mil-scale and some wind holds. Unfortunately, that is not real easy to get from Nightforce unless you like Horus reticle (which I distinctly don't). In the 2.5-10x42 NXS, the only reticle I kinda like is Mil-R. It is pretty easy to live with. In general, I think the most promising reticle design I have seen come from Nightforce lately has been the FC-DM in the new ATACR F1 1-8x24. I would really like to see some evolutions of that basic design propagate through their FFP line-up. ILya www.darklordofoptics.com |
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+1 on this big time.
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Day 1 Shot done. First impressions of the new 1-8 offerings. The NX8 is nice and light. Good brightness and should be daytime visible, though hard to tell from inside the center. The ATACR, absolutely amazing eyebox. Think nearly unnoticeable bezel, like the Vortex Razor HD II 1-6x but with slightly better looking optics. My opinion. Worth the extra cost. I'd take one in a heartbeat, just for that eyebox alone. Everything else is typical Nightforce quality.
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Why on Gods Earth has NF not done a real review? I know we have like a hand full of mag articles but i really want to see a youtube video?
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I rarely see them make video reviews
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Dealers are just getting the NX8's today and I'd put the Swaro Z8i 1-8 in the same class as the ATACR 1-8 which is not available yet.
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That's a difficult question considering the ATACR is not released yet to compare
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The price has not changed as of right now.
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When do you expect the ATACR to be available? I've been sitting on the fence for quite some time about buying the Z8i 1-8. I like the idea of having an "all-in-one" solution that gives me the 1:1 of a red-dot with no distortion and still have the max zoom to bring targets in over distance. The z8i seemed to be (up until the announcement of the new ATACR) *THE* solution that would deliver all of this with no real compromise (save for $$$). I know the z8i is perfect at 1:1 and I know at 8x its gathering more light than anything else in its class. The question is whether or not I'll get the same from the NF solution - with the benefit of less cost. |
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I have been holding off on my purchase for over 5 months now. Very slow release but good marketing from NF. I don't know why they didn't use a 28mm or larger objective lens like Trijicon did.
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The ATACR 'should be available in a few weeks, Nightforce did not give a specific date on when they will be released. The Swaro is a great 1-8 overall and we've sold quite a few, same with the Kahles 1-6 plus they are both lightweight. The Minox ZP8 1-8 is still one of our favorite 1-8's with fantastic glass and the Dual Focal Plane that works like an Aimpoint at 1x and switches to a reticle when the magnification goes above 2.5x.
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An excellent post that covers LPV's in general including the Nightforce Duo and competitors... https://forum.snipershide.com/thread...4#post-6927319
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Aaron Cowan of Sage Dynamics did a review on the Nightforce NX8 today
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Thank you - but not a challenger to the Swaro Z8i 1-8. Coming down to the wire for me on making a purchase decision. Best as I can tell, the Swaro is still the higher quality piece of glass (if even, just ever so slightly) - anyone else have any other new info/input to add?
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Different scope for different purpose IMO, I'd look at the ATACR version for comparison to the Z8i in terms of Glass and eyebox. Like indicated in the review, the NX8 is like having an Aimpoint that has magnification.
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From all practical information I can gather online, the Swaro Z8i 1-8 has ZERO distortion at 1x, an exceptional FoV and eyebox and as such more than surpasses the performance of an Aimpoint or any comparable solution. Factor in a fast moving magnification to 8x with the same optical performance and again, superior to an Aimpoint with magnification. Of course, it certainly weighs more than an Aimpoint with a magnifier. BUT - it weighs ever so slightly less than the Nightforce 1-8F1. BUT - is it better? I think so - but I haven't found anything that definitively compares the two scopes.
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Swaro did a fantastic job on the Z8i and is an excellent General Purpose and 3Gun LPV, it has great glass a fantastic eyebox, FOV and is lightweight in this class. 6x and below, SFP makes sense but above that then FFP has its advantages IMO. Nightforce makes some of the most rugged scopes on the planet and their main market for these was Military and Law Enforcement. Front Focal Plane was chosen for these scopes since they were likely to be used at in between magnifications for Positive Identification and keeping the reticle in relation to what magnification they were using. The ATACR uses excellent glass just like the Swaro with a very good eyebox and a reticle better suited to shooting at longer distances than the Z8i or NX8. All great choices, it comes down to what your needs are.
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First of all - thank you for your reply, much appreciated. These are the types of exchanges that make these forums truly useful.
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And on a related topic, in addition to searching for a scope for my V11 Pro, I'm also looking for a scope for my DD Ambush .308. I was considering the Z8i 2.3-18. Your thoughts? I have a Z8i 2-16 on a Weatherby Mark V 300WB and its a perfect fit. I figured the somewhat smaller game/larger clearance opportunity of the Ambush .308 would permit/warrant going up from the 2-16 to the 2.3-18 - unless you believe going with the lower position of the 2-16 (50mm vs 56mm) would be a better course of action. Quote:
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Daniel, sorry I should have specified that the Horus Type Reticle in the ATACR seems to be better for many at distance (1k yards) from the reviewers are claiming over at Snipers Hide. YMMV
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