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Old 01-30-2020, 4:36 AM
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Since the 870 DM is Discontinued and even the Magazine are no longer made I am curious about converting one to tube fed. I have never seen one but suspect it is possible and would not be a very costly conversion.

If someone owns one and knows the internals I would appreciate if they e-mail me about it. I would like to see the inside of the receiver and trigger plate assembly and would like pictures or even to see it on skype.

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The magazine fed version that has only been out for a little while.

Is it really discontinued? Super short life if so....still showing up on their website. https://www.remington.com/shotguns/t...l/model-870-dm
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Remington always seems to discontinue stuff before it gets of the ground. I’m still mad the stopped making the 798/799 before I could get my hands on one.
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When were they discontinued?

They were still being displayed at 2020 SHOT Show.
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I still want a Remington TAC-14DM.
Just need to figure the logistics of getting one with an 18" barrel, so I can get it imported into CA, then once it's in CA, submit a Form 1 to make it into an AOW so the 14" barrel can be legally attached while in CA.

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I seriously can't find anything about it having been discontinued.
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Hope that's not true. Does someone else make magazines for them?
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I still want a Remington TAC-14DM.
Just need to figure the logistics of getting one with an 18" barrel, so I can get it imported into CA, then once it's in CA, submit a Form 1 to make it into an AOW so the 14" barrel can be legally attached while in CA.

Wouldn't it be easier to have audiophil convert it to an aow and just sell it to you through a CA class 3 ffl?
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Hope that's not true. Does someone else make magazines for them?
Not that I've seen and that's part of why they didn't sell. There was a huge sale on these things about a month or 2 ago, way under 300 bucks. Closeouts maybe? But Remington never made any mags with decent capacity, whereas Mossberg sold 20's for their firearm.
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Also, the Mossberg is just a better gun. They sell 10 round mags, and if you get the tube version, you can get a clip that goes into the loading port that feeds mini-shells. Now that Federal makes them too, they should be easier to get.
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Not that I've seen and that's part of why they didn't sell. There was a huge sale on these things about a month or 2 ago, way under 300 bucks. Closeouts maybe? But Remington never made any mags with decent capacity, whereas Mossberg sold 20's for their firearm.

The Remington mags were pretty pricey too. Something like $80 as I recall. I've forgotten if Mossberg was cheaper.
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Since the 870 DM is Discontinued and even the Magazine are no longer made I am curious about converting one to tube fed. I have never seen one but suspect it is possible and would not be a very costly conversion.

If someone owns one and knows the internals I would appreciate if they e-mail me about it. I would like to see the inside of the receiver and trigger plate assembly and would like pictures or even to see it on skype.

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I would have figured that if anyone had one of these, it would by you, and in several different variations. I'll ask some of the folks I shoot with.

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Didn't know that. Always good to know who is an expert, etc. That said, wonder why Remington still has it listed on their website? Confuses us normal people.
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wow what a bummer. I was ' ' close to buying one, prices were good and I like the idea. Sadly, glad I didn't get it.
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Damn, I would be pissed if I bought one. No new mags is going to make it useless. I’d dump mine before the masses figure it out. Or load up on mags and hope it becomes a collector item, might actually be worth a penny in a few years.
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I emailed them this is what they said:

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I almost bought one when I saw them being blown out here and there but lack of affordable magazines kept me away. I'm glad I didn't buy one.
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It appears that the Remington Outdoor Company is reorganizing.

Remington and Marlin will be discontinuing several firearm variants.

Bushmaster, DPMS, and TAPCO will be closed with all their products being discontinued.
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Think it has more to do with the platform most people are going to AR lookalikes and for roughly the same price,of course now that has dropped you can find a good price on the pump gun conversion.Myself naw i will go for a pump for the looks and stay with a actual pump, I mean 7+1 on a pump and a 10 round mag on a conversion NAWWW plus the fact extened tubes get you that 10 and more,if it was a semi-auto with mags well HUMMMMM.
For the record the extended tubes for 10+1 look absurd
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Not TAPCO !!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!







I'm just joking around,
I know a lot of Tapco stuff wasn't highly-regarded ( low speed, high drag? ) but a lot of their items were usually low priced and that it's the only thing that works for some folk's budgets.

Bushmaster has a little bit of history and I think in some uneducated people's minds as a "assault weapon" ( and a sexist company name? ) and I'm guessing they getting rid of DPMS because the AR Market seems somewhat flooded with so many manufacturers making them or versions of rifles that are similar now.
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It appears that the Remington Outdoor Company is reorganizing.

Remington and Marlin will be discontinuing several firearm variants.

Bushmaster, DPMS, and TAPCO will be closed with all their products being discontinued.
Yeah I found out about Tapco going down at the Show.

I really don't see the logic in buying a company and then just letting it die.

As far a s Bushmaster and DPMS, they were both in direct competition with Remingtons AR's so I can see consolidating them into the Remington fold.

Just killing Tapco was stupid. The previous owners should pick up where they left off and revive the products.

What I'm really pissed about is I've got 5 Tapco Mini 14 mags that don't work and now they are trash. Remington said to send them in but then wouldn't ship any back to CA as replacements, so what the F? crickets on the other end..

Never been a big fan of Remington and won't be buying anything from them ever again.They got too big for their own britches!

I knew the mag fed shotgun was a dud from the get go and I'm pretty sure that Mossberg will be dropping theirs soon as well. These guns are pointless and once you learn how to run a Tactical Shotgun you'll understand all the reasons why.

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Remington didn't sell AR's until they bought Bushmaster. My guess is that Remington AR's ARE Bushmasters with different branding.
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What I'm really pissed about is I've got 5 Tapco Mini 14 mags that don't work and now they are trash. Remington said to send them in but then wouldn't ship any back to CA as replacements, so what the F? crickets on the other end..
Are those the newer generation Tapco magazines that come in the
recloseable plastic pouches? I have a bunch of them and they work perfectly. I generally don’t think much of the brand but they got these right at least in my experience.
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Remington didn't sell AR's until they bought Bushmaster. My guess is that Remington AR's ARE Bushmasters with different branding.
I have no opinion on Bushmaster but I do have a Windham Weaponry AR-15 which was an offshoot of Bushmaster and it is top notch all the way.
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Why was it dropped?

Bad sales or issues?

Are their too many warranty claims? No warranty issues?
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I bought a sufficient quantity of additional mags so no big deal. Just another piece. I like some things about it. Some I don't. Hard to say at this point which one I prefer. Additional rounds because of larger magazine. Hey, it's obscenely huge. Not sure I like that. Bottom line ... hard to say.
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Remington didn't sell AR's until they bought Bushmaster. My guess is that Remington AR's ARE Bushmasters with different branding.
Definitely an accurate guess...Remington and Remington's version of the Bushmaster were made by DPMS...
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Why was it dropped?

Bad sales or issues?

Are their too many warranty claims? No warranty issues?
AFAIK...

As part of their reorganization, they are dropping variants that have low sales and consolidating to only their higher selling variants.
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I have no opinion on Bushmaster but I do have a Windham Weaponry AR-15 which was an offshoot of Bushmaster and it is top notch all the way.
Not an offshoot, per se. My understanding is when Remington laid off a bunch of Bushy people, they got together and formed Windham.

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Definitely an accurate guess...Remington and Remington's version of the Bushmaster were made by DPMS...
The Bushmaster deal was mostly just a brand buyout? Maybe some technical expertise and a few executives? What about the Bushmaster machinery?

Way back when(early 90's), when there were only a few sellers of stripped lowers, I went to a gun show where a lot of them were being sold. There were basically 3 brands at the top, Colt, Bushmaster, and Armalite. I was able to look at all 3 and compare directly. Colt was the best looking, Bushmaster was very close to Colt, and Armalite was way back in third. I had a Bushmaster (since stolen) that was made before they were called Bushmaster. They were called Quality Parts at the time. It ran like clockwork.
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That’s one model. A 14” barrel with a sawed off stock. Does that mean ALL DM’s are discontinued? I guess I’ll need to ask Remington. I bought one in October I think. It’s a nice solid gun. I’m not a fan of tubular magazines.
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Not an offshoot, per se. My understanding is when Remington laid off a bunch of Bushy people, they got together and formed Windham.



The Bushmaster deal was mostly just a brand buyout? Maybe some technical expertise and a few executives? What about the Bushmaster machinery?
When Bushmaster sold to the Remington people, the owner signed a "No Compete" clause (5 years). 5 years later, Remington decided to move the production of the Bushmaster line to New York, thus closing the original Bushmaster factory. With the "No Compete" clause expiring, the original owner decided to re-start operations at the original location with most of the same people. Windham Weaponry is what was the original Bushmaster was.

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Mine were early 2nd gen mags and the problem is the followers.

All they had to do is send me 5 new followers but they said they had nothing but complete mags, adn wouldn't send them to CA.

This was Remington CS and they were useless.

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I never saw a personal need for the DM, but it seemed like a nifty idea. It is sort of like sticking with pump HD/SDshotguns when there are several really good semi-auto options out there.

Besides the obvious $$ difference, a lot of people (ex: me) are just hardwired for pump shotguns. I still see my beloved 870P and old Police Trade in Wingmaster as fearsome weapons, especially in skilled hands. Thunking shells into them from a carrier or spill pouch while continuing to move, shoot, and keep eyes and muzzle on target becomes very natural.

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Just read through the post and was very amused with bubba stating that he found my claim unbelievable. Thanks for the laugh bubba but if I post anything about Remington Shotguns it is a fact.

Here is how this happens. If any Product does not sell a set amount in a set number of consecutive quarters it is discontinued. That is pretty much a standard practice in Manufacturing and not just a Remington thing. That happened with the Walnut Police stocks years back and when Remington brought them back they had to find another vendor and price more then doubled. So I am only guessing here that if they do bring the DM mags back they will cost more. They were MSRP of $37.99 for either a 6rd or a 3rd. So we will see what they do.
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