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Mp sheild 9 or 38. Revolver. Ruger. Or turas or a 380' ruger or the 9 mm. Turas or ruger the revolver is the easiest to shoot and clean and reliable and safe or a glock 19 what would be the on with the less kick
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I carry a shield 9mm 90% of the time. Glock 19 10% of the time. I carry the shield more because it’s a single stack and I carry AIWB. It’s a little bit more comfortable imo.
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whatever you are comfortable shooting, will practice with and will carry whenever possible, as long as the caliber is sufficient
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P2000, kahr cw9, shield, ruger lcr. Take your pick.


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You're going to get a lot of different opinions.... Glock, Sig, 1911, CZ, Ruger, Walther, Hi-Point. Revolver, auto. 9mm, 45acp, 38 special...... on and on.

Find one that feels comfortable, that you can operate (shoot well) and practice. A carry gun is a personal preference.

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You're going to get a lot of different opinions.... Glock, Sig, 1911, CZ, Ruger, Walther, Hi-Point. Revolver, auto. 9mm, 45acp, 38 special...... on and on.

Find one that feels comfortable, that you can operate (shoot well) and practice. A carry gun is a personal preference.

Good luck!!!!

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Reloading is also a concern.
My glock 19 is way easier for me to reload than a shield or a 1911.
With the 1911 its a little more difficult because the mag is pretty thin.
The shield is difficult because the mag is thin and short and if you slam the mag home you have a large likelyhood that you will pinch your hand inbetween the mag base and the magwell.
This is painful.
Top of glock mags are beveled in a way that makes it pretty easy to reload quickly.
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...Find one that feels comfortable, that you can operate (shoot well) and practice. A carry gun is a personal preference.

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^^^^^Yes, this!^^^^^

I like the Glock 19 & 43. Ruger LCP when my clothes can’t conceal anything bigger.
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Springfield EMP as well.
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Of the guns you seem to have listed, the one with the least amount of "kick" would probably be the Glock 19. If you want to know what the best gun for CCW is, the answer is a Dan Wesson Commander Classic Bobtail.

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If you are asking this question, I would posit you shouldn’t ccw. An experienced shooter understands why a particular firearm is used in a specific situation. Get trained up, you’ll understand, your question equals more training.
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I am not that big of a guy what will kick less when I have to shoot it.
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I am not that big of a guy what will kick less when I have to shoot it.
Well, the Ruger LCP or LCP2 is a .380

The Phoenix Arms HP22 is a .22 <--- not my cup of tea

IMHO, they both go BANG! -- they will have less kick - however, the smaller the handgun means they still have some kick, less to grip, & less control. I find that after shooting a lot of rounds through the LCP it wasn't very comfortable, even though it's a .380 -- no duh, huh?

The 9mm rounds have great ballistics - much better than a .380 or a .22

Also, capacity is something to consider. Shield has has 8 round magazines -- so, with one chambered you have 8+1, and another mag is another 8 - total =17

Two Glock 19 two mags plus one chambered gives you 21 rounds.

The LCP with two extended magazines plus one chambered gives you 15 rounds.

Revolvers are great and they are reliable. But as a CCW or HD weapon, I want as many rounds as I can have with quicker reloads -semi-autos for the win. I'm also used to trigger pulls around 5 lbs, my revolvers in DA don't give me that.

BTW, I'm just kidding about .22's. I might carry that as a New York reload.
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I carry a Glock 17 100% of time these days. I have it in the Blade Tech IWB holster and have a shirt over it. No issues.
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The purpose is fighting. Do you really want to get forced into any fight with a 5 shot snubby or 6 shot mini 380? Your Glock 19 SIZED gun is the best balance between concealability and shootability. Move UP for fighting, not down for convenience...do not be lazy.

Carry small if wardrobe or circumstance dictates it. Switch back to a fighting gun when possible. But, laziness—often hidden in the guise of “convenience “—merely makes it clear you are not swrious about defending yourself.

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Regarding recoil: 9mm won the caliber wars. You can easily manage it with the correct technique. A bunch of fanatics , convinced of their correctness, are going to jump in and start blathering about trigger control and sight alignment. They are wrong when it comes to defensive shooting; they will be right for some gun games like Bullseye and so forth. Grip is the foundation and it must be tight and supported by tight wrists, elbows and shoulders. If Robbie Leatham can yank the trigger while another guy holds and aims the gun, then it means it is the least important component. I couldn’t even see my front sight today due to overpowered contacts, yet I still got tiny groups at 5 and 7 yards and 1.5-2.5” groups at 10 while shooting fast. Four inch groups or smaller are just fine. Tight grip is key and you can fudge the rest. The side effect of a tight grip is recoil control.

Next they will start yelling at me for not teaching you about trigger pull. Pull the trigger until you hit a heavy spot. Learn where this is. Pull through it. Done. Tighten your grip if you are getting flyers outside 4”.

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This is hilarious, these urban commandos. YOU NEED A FULL-SIZED GUN AND 5 MAGAZINES BECAUSE YOU MIGHT EXECUTE A FELONY STOP ON TWO ARMED AND DANGEROUS INDIVIDUALS WITH RIFLES LIKE THE FBI IN 1986!

Carry a 50 Desert Eagle OWB and stop being such a p----.
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This is all you need. Don’t go out and ready 20 gun books on the minutiae of grip, sight alignment and trigger pull and then spend a decade in a tent on the range mediating. Such silliness is a waste of time for defensive shooting. By all means do it if a gun game requires it and it mskes you happy.


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Mitigating muzzle rise from the wrist (Videos 1-4):

1) Lock wrist on each hand that is touching the gun
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4) Proper grip: High in the tang, high under the trigger guard. Forward thumb on support hand. Check by placing trigger finger and support hand thumb on frame. They should be equal on the frame (point up to check).

Test by attempting to bend the wrist upward. Instructor places finger on wrist tendon to verify (Video 5). The shooter will tighten up and prevent as much movement as possible.

Mitigating side to side muzzle movement (Videos 6-7):

1) Tighten the elbow of each hand on the gun
2) Tighten the shoulder of each hand on the gun

Test by attempting to move the gun in a circle.

Mitigating gun push backwards (Videos 8-13) :

1) Use hard push-pull.
2) Push from the primary hand shoulder.
3) If support hand is on the gun, pull back into the primary hand.
4) Nose over toes. Stance is aggressive and nose should be over or slightly past the forward toe. There are no stances in a fight, but this is the optimal case.

Instructor tests by pressing with continuous pressure against the shooter's hand. Their head should not move very much. The instructor should watch for head movement by comparing to a static item in the background. Properly done, the shooter's head will barely move during recoil. Watch the shooter's toes. They should not rise.

Video 14 is a summary of training points.

The only addendum I have is that you can pinch your palms together a bit to tighten your groups up at speed.
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This is hilarious, these urban commandos. YOU NEED A FULL-SIZED GUN AND 5 MAGAZINES BECAUSE YOU MIGHT EXECUTE A FELONY STOP ON TWO ARMED AND DANGEROUS INDIVIDUALS WITH RIFLES LIKE THE FBI IN 1986!

Carry a 50 Desert Eagle OWB and stop being such a p----.
No idiot...read it again. Carry a gun like a G19 because it fills the hand for a SOLID GRIP, has enough barrel for good burn, holds enough rounds, and is nicer to shoot. Carry a small gun only when forced to. 9mm is just fine for defense and I won’t fault a guy for going to 45 or 10mm in a capacity limited state like California. DOES ANYONE EVEN THINK ABOUT WHAT CONCEALED CARRY MEANS?
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Anyone know places were to rent guns I want to try it before I buy it I say a sheild 9 mm 350 dollars I also saw a ruger 380 and liked the feel of it and how light it was
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The Shield is a great buy at $350ish.
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https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...2B1+9mm+3.6%5C

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Have the Kahr P45, it comes with 3 mags 2-6rnd & 1-7rnd, It doesn't recoil bad, the CW9 and P40 will probably have even less recoil, but CW9 only comes with 1 mag.
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Do you now any places to rent guns want to try before I buy also what gun would kick the less
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You might not be ready for a ccw... if you are worried about the kick from a 9mm, which is almost the minimum for ccw/home defense. I seen you say that you’re not that big of a guy, but I took a 12 year old kid shooting for the first time and I had him shooting my shield 9mm, Glock 19 and Glock 30 in a few hours. He never complained that any pistols kicked to hard.
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i am in Sacramento county also i am not a big guy so i dont think i can shoot a 9mm without kick
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The best way to get prepared for concealed carry is to take a defensive pistol class. You can rent a gun and gear from most schools. I recommend this route because you can try different guns if what they hand you doesn't work out. The advantage of a course is full immersion: you're on the range 8-12 hours a day for two to five days. You will really get to know the gun you're using. You will not only learn what works for you, but also what does not work for you. You will also learn to work around any ergonomic problems that gun may have. For example, I loved the Browning Hi-Power 9mm until I took it to class. Thirty or forty bleeding finger cuts and three hours later, I switched it out for my Glock 19. I had found the lack of beveled magazine well made reloads slow, the crisp, sharp edges that looked so good drew blood, and the stock sights needed replacing.

Another shortcut without the cost all at once is to go to a range and buy several 1 hour shooting lessons using their guns. You will find one-on-one instruction very beneficial since you can go at your own pace.

Don't worry about recoil. It just happens. Do what I showed you in the Paul Sharp video if you are going to teach yourself. Otherwise, do what the instructor tells you to do. You can try the Sharp material later.

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There are many. Some are great, some were great and others are not so good. Don't spend too much time worrying about such things since you can research schools online. Go to Roger's Shooting School in Georgia if you can swing it financially. Also good are Tom Givens at Rangemaster, Firearms Academy of Seattle, Thunder Ranch in Oregon, Gunsite in Arizona, and many of the traveling instructors mentioned on the Rangemaster Tactical Conference list of instructors. Do not discount the local ranges and trainers! They're a good way to go in many cases, but make sure to research them. Many host traveling instructors, so keep an eye on their schedules.
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i am in Sacramento county also i am not a big guy so i dont think i can shoot a 9mm without kick
I wouldn't give up on cartridges you might think kick too much until you have tried them in different firearms. The design of and the size of grip can totally change how the kick feels to you.



If the 9mm ends up being too much in something like the Kahr CW9 maybe try a Bersa Firestorm 380 they don't kick much or cost much, but are very good pistols. https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...+FRSTRM+7R+BLK or try a S&W Model 60 with 38 Specials https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...%2F38SP+%2BP+3
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You are absolutely right Macbeth06; shoot as many guns as you can and go with what you are most comfortable with. Any "expert" who offers his opinion on a very debatable matter of preference as fact, without knowing anything about your personal carry situations, should be given a grain of salt.
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Least kick, easiest to shoot - Glock 19
Easiest to conceal and only a small capacity penalty - Shield 9mm
Most reliable, most kick, requires more trigger control - .38spl Revolver
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What are good ones price wise
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