Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > GENERAL DISCUSSION > General gun discussions
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

General gun discussions This is a place to lounge and discuss firearm related topics with other forum members.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-24-2018, 5:13 PM
DolphinFan DolphinFan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,458
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default CA Constitution and Registration

The California Constitution Article 1 Section 1 spells out the Inalienable Rights of ALL Californians they are:
* CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION - CONS

ARTICLE I DECLARATION OF RIGHTS [SECTION 1 - SEC. 32] ( Article 1 adopted 1879. )

SECTION 1. All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.

Since the Inalienable Right to Privacy is listed. I'm under the impression that ANY registration is Unconstitutional as it violates The Right to PRIVACY.

Why again are you registering your made up "Assault Rifle"? Assault rifles DO NOT EXIST. And you have no legal obligation as it violates your right to privacy.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-24-2018, 5:16 PM
alexantics's Avatar
alexantics alexantics is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Livermore
Posts: 51
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Amen!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-24-2018, 5:28 PM
Simi762's Avatar
Simi762 Simi762 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Ventura County CA
Posts: 368
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

It's a double standard here in California, what applies to one doesn't to the other, don't believe me? Try upholding your right to privacy for an assault weapon in any of our non bias circuit courts. If you're illegal, sorry undocumented then oh my yes you have every right under the sun.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-24-2018, 5:42 PM
Blade Gunner's Avatar
Blade Gunner Blade Gunner is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 4,425
iTrader: 20 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Simi762 View Post
It's a double standard here in California, what applies to one doesn't to the other, don't believe me? Try upholding your right to privacy for an assault weapon in any of our non bias circuit courts. If you're illegal, sorry undocumented then oh my yes you have every right under the sun.


Yes all are equal but some are more equal than others.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
If you find yourself in a fair fight, you're doing it all wrong.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-24-2018, 8:05 PM
Epaphroditus's Avatar
Epaphroditus Epaphroditus is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Where the McRib runs wild and free!
Posts: 4,876
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

You gotta read the fine print.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-24-2018, 9:02 PM
1snowridr's Avatar
1snowridr 1snowridr is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 419
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DolphinFan View Post
The California Constitution Article 1 Section 1 spells out the Inalienable Rights of ALL Californians they are:
* CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION - CONS

ARTICLE I DECLARATION OF RIGHTS [SECTION 1 - SEC. 32] ( Article 1 adopted 1879. )

SECTION 1. All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.

Since the Inalienable Right to Privacy is listed. I'm under the impression that ANY registration is Unconstitutional as it violates The Right to PRIVACY.

Why again are you registering your made up "Assault Rifle"? Assault rifles DO NOT EXIST. And you have no legal obligation as it violates your right to privacy.
You should listen to Mark beard speak on you tube about the California constitution. He's extremely well versed in this. California politicians have / are breaking the law at every turn. We have the right to take this state back.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-24-2018, 10:39 PM
aklon's Avatar
aklon aklon is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: San Leandro, Alameda County
Posts: 2,774
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

The Boyz and Gurlz in Sacramento are doing their best to ignore the Constitution of the United States, so why should they give a damn about anything in California's Constitution?
__________________
Freedom is the dream you dream while putting thought in chains.

- Giacomo Leopardi
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-25-2018, 5:54 AM
Philthy's Avatar
Philthy Philthy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 478
iTrader: 41 / 100%
Default

3DD3A5E9-B710-4C90-8F7E-29ECE78A6545.jpg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rG5xWcV412E
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-25-2018, 6:52 AM
Quiet's Avatar
Quiet Quiet is offline
retired Goon
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: San Bernardino County
Posts: 29,996
iTrader: 11 / 100%
Default

Since CLETS-AFS is only accessible to CA LE agencies for official Gov/LE business, your right to privacy is protected because the public does not have access to it and it can only be legally accessed for official Gov/LE business use.




Also...
Privacy ended when the internet was created.
In the modern digital age, there's no way to be completely private. The only thing a person can do it limit the accessibility of their data/info.
__________________


"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03-25-2018, 6:58 AM
DolphinFan DolphinFan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,458
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quiet View Post
Since CLETS-AFS is only accessible to CA LE agencies for official Gov/LE business, your right to privacy is protected because the public does not have access to it and it can only be legally accessed for official Gov/LE business use.




Also...
Privacy ended when the internet was created.
In the modern digital age, there's no way to be completely private. The only thing a person can do it limit the accessibility of their data/info.
Privacy from government is the purpose for Inalienable Rights to privacy. What makes you think they get a PASS?
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 03-25-2018, 6:59 AM
Ford8N Ford8N is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Northern Rhovanion
Posts: 6,129
iTrader: 18 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Philthy View Post
This guy is correct. California is not part of Free America. It is a defacto separate country, gun owners are ignoring that....or maybe they are ok with it?
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 03-25-2018, 7:03 AM
Quiet's Avatar
Quiet Quiet is offline
retired Goon
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: San Bernardino County
Posts: 29,996
iTrader: 11 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DolphinFan View Post
Privacy from government is the purpose for Inalienable Rights to privacy. What makes you think they get a PASS?
Complacency on the part of the public in allowing it to happen, starting in the 1930s.

Which has caused it to be institutionalized.

The lack of public outcry/protest over the NSA collecting personal data since the 1950s, is an indication on why the Gov has operated under this "pass" and why the Courts have agreed with it.

The passage of the Patriot Act is another indication and also the legalization of it.
__________________


"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 03-25-2018, 7:04 AM
Guns and guitars Guns and guitars is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Northern Idaho
Posts: 1,548
iTrader: 8 / 100%
Default

If you are registering your rifles as "assault weapons" in California you are not only screwing yourselves you are ruining it for gun owners from here on out.

Its non American, and your lack of fortitude has created a monster which will spread across the nation. Instead of making a stand, you fools lined up to register then you ask for your rights...Idiocy.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 03-25-2018, 7:06 AM
1snowridr's Avatar
1snowridr 1snowridr is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 419
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ford8N View Post
This guy is correct. California is not part of Free America. It is a defacto separate country, gun owners are ignoring that....or maybe they are ok with it?
People aren't okay with it hence the state of Jefferson movement. People can talk shiz about the SOJ but if Ca takes the next step in union separation do you really think the SOJ will follow. I can answer my own question with 100% no.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 03-25-2018, 7:08 AM
Quiet's Avatar
Quiet Quiet is offline
retired Goon
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: San Bernardino County
Posts: 29,996
iTrader: 11 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Guns and guitars View Post
If you are registering your rifles as "assault weapons" in California you are not only screwing yourselves you are ruining it for gun owners from here on out.

Its non American, and your lack of fortitude has created a monster which will spread across the nation. Instead of making a stand, you fools lined up to register then you ask for your rights...Idiocy.
FYI.
Firearm registration in CA started in 1924.
__________________


"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 03-25-2018, 7:10 AM
BluNorthern's Avatar
BluNorthern BluNorthern is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Far NE California
Posts: 10,234
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ford8N View Post
This guy is correct. California is not part of Free America. It is a defacto separate country, gun owners are ignoring that....or maybe they are ok with it?
Yes....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Guns and guitars View Post
If you are registering your rifles as "assault weapons" in California you are not only screwing yourselves you are ruining it for gun owners from here on out.

Its non American, and your lack of fortitude has created a monster which will spread across the nation. Instead of making a stand, you fools lined up to register then you ask for your rights...Idiocy.
And yes!
__________________
"I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them."

Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 03-25-2018, 7:13 AM
Ford8N Ford8N is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Northern Rhovanion
Posts: 6,129
iTrader: 18 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1snowridr View Post
People aren't okay with it hence the state of Jefferson movement. People can talk shiz about the SOJ but if Ca takes the next step in union separation do you really think the SOJ will follow. I can answer my own question with 100% no.
I 100% hope the state of Jefferson movement succeeds.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 03-25-2018, 7:13 AM
Revhendo's Avatar
Revhendo Revhendo is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Costa Mesa
Posts: 521
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Having to go to a public court to argue your right to privacy. Priceless.

Oh, and I'll add that I am with you 100% OP.
__________________
Rev.

"If I had my choice I would kill every reporter in the world, but I am sure we would be getting reports from Hell before breakfast."
W.T. Sherman
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 03-25-2018, 7:15 AM
Fastattack's Avatar
Fastattack Fastattack is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: North Central Arizona (formerly So Cal)
Posts: 1,503
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Based on my reading of the snippet from Article 1, California isn't living up to ONE WORD of what is written, let alone the right to privacy. You aren't free, you are really unable to defend yourself or your property without going to jail, you can't obtain property (unless it is approved by the state), you don't really have liberty (it is only the illusion). I would argue that most of this is also true to some degree or another in most states but is amplified through a wall of Marshall Amps in Cali.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 03-25-2018, 7:22 AM
DolphinFan DolphinFan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,458
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

What supersedes an Inalienable Right?
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 03-25-2018, 8:24 AM
Ford8N Ford8N is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Northern Rhovanion
Posts: 6,129
iTrader: 18 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DolphinFan View Post
What supersedes an Inalienable Right?
The California legislature
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 03-25-2018, 8:26 AM
DolphinFan DolphinFan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,458
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ford8N View Post
The California legislature
Do you really believe that the legislature supersedes their governing document?
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 03-25-2018, 8:31 AM
Ford8N Ford8N is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Northern Rhovanion
Posts: 6,129
iTrader: 18 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DolphinFan View Post
Do you really believe that the legislature supersedes their governing document?
I don’t but they don’t. And they have the police and DAs as their minions.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 03-25-2018, 8:40 AM
Paul_R's Avatar
Paul_R Paul_R is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Norcal
Posts: 2,840
iTrader: 59 / 100%
Default

Compliance is a choice.
__________________
Fear is a social disease

Got a jury summons? Know your rights! http://fija.org/
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 03-25-2018, 9:13 AM
tonyxcom's Avatar
tonyxcom tonyxcom is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: NorCal
Posts: 6,396
iTrader: 46 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Guns and guitars View Post
If you are registering your rifles as "assault weapons" in California you are not only screwing yourselves you are ruining it for gun owners from here on out.

Its non American, and your lack of fortitude has created a monster which will spread across the nation. Instead of making a stand, you fools lined up to register then you ask for your rights...Idiocy.
When was the last time you bought a handgun? When was the last time you bought a rifle?

What will you do when all semi autos are considered assault weapons? Going to convert to bolt action?

If you think there is a difference between compliance by registering or compliance by neutering your rifles every legislative year, you are the fool.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 03-25-2018, 9:20 AM
Jimi Jah's Avatar
Jimi Jah Jimi Jah is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North San Diego County
Posts: 16,466
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

If they won't follow the US Constitution, why would they follow the California?
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 03-25-2018, 9:47 AM
Blade Gunner's Avatar
Blade Gunner Blade Gunner is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 4,425
iTrader: 20 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DolphinFan View Post
What supersedes an Inalienable Right?


Illegal Aliens


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
If you find yourself in a fair fight, you're doing it all wrong.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 03-25-2018, 9:50 AM
Blade Gunner's Avatar
Blade Gunner Blade Gunner is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 4,425
iTrader: 20 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1snowridr View Post
People aren't okay with it hence the state of Jefferson movement. People can talk shiz about the SOJ but if Ca takes the next step in union separation do you really think the SOJ will follow. I can answer my own question with 100% no.


If CA takes the next step towards separation from the Union, all SOJ has to do is petition to stay in the Union.
__________________
If you find yourself in a fair fight, you're doing it all wrong.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 03-25-2018, 9:52 AM
SMarquez SMarquez is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 2,209
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

How about this, the right to fishing and case law where courts have ruled that a right converted to a privilege can be ignored. Yeah, right.
https://patch.com/california/halfmoo...ia-i459033ea81
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 03-25-2018, 9:55 AM
Simi762's Avatar
Simi762 Simi762 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Ventura County CA
Posts: 368
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyxcom View Post
When was the last time you bought a handgun? When was the last time you bought a rifle?

What will you do when all semi autos are considered assault weapons? Going to convert to bolt action?

If you think there is a difference between compliance by registering or compliance by neutering your rifles every legislative year, you are the fool.
80% everything before June
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 03-25-2018, 9:58 AM
Blade Gunner's Avatar
Blade Gunner Blade Gunner is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 4,425
iTrader: 20 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Guns and guitars View Post
If you are registering your rifles as "assault weapons" in California you are not only screwing yourselves you are ruining it for gun owners from here on out.

Its non American, and your lack of fortitude has created a monster which will spread across the nation. Instead of making a stand, you fools lined up to register then you ask for your rights...Idiocy.


Making a stand means armed resistance and insurrection. (Not registering, hiding all your guns, and not talking about them is like living in East Berlin.) That didn’t work out too well for the Confederacy.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
If you find yourself in a fair fight, you're doing it all wrong.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 03-25-2018, 11:39 AM
DolphinFan DolphinFan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,458
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blade Gunner View Post
Illegal Aliens


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Space Aliens, Illegal Aliens or both.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 03-25-2018, 11:44 AM
DolphinFan DolphinFan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,458
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SMarquez View Post
How about this, the right to fishing and case law where courts have ruled that a right converted to a privilege can be ignored. Yeah, right.
https://patch.com/california/halfmoo...ia-i459033ea81
You can't license a right. And the DFG can only prescribe they season and the type of take, (barb less hook).

If you read the case cited you can see how and where it took place.

You can fish without a license from ANY public pier too.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 03-25-2018, 7:41 PM
eswrite's Avatar
eswrite eswrite is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Los Angeles area
Posts: 463
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

In this whole discussion no one has mentioned "defending life and liberty" which strikes me as the most relevant phrase linking to the Second Amendment.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 03-25-2018, 8:06 PM
Paul_R's Avatar
Paul_R Paul_R is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Norcal
Posts: 2,840
iTrader: 59 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by eswrite View Post
In this whole discussion no one has mentioned "defending life and liberty" which strikes me as the most relevant phrase linking to the Second Amendment.
Actually the 2nd Amendment, like the rest of the original bill of rights, doesn't give anybody the right to do anything. All of the enumerated rights are inalienable and given to us by our creator.The amendments are specific restrictions against government. As long as you think you have "constitutional rights" you've already lost.
__________________
Fear is a social disease

Got a jury summons? Know your rights! http://fija.org/
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 03-25-2018, 9:47 PM
Guns and guitars Guns and guitars is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Northern Idaho
Posts: 1,548
iTrader: 8 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyxcom View Post
When was the last time you bought a handgun? When was the last time you bought a rifle?

What will you do when all semi autos are considered assault weapons? Going to convert to bolt action?

If you think there is a difference between compliance by registering or compliance by neutering your rifles every legislative year, you are the fool.
If a traitor who willingly re registers his own legally purchased weapon calls me a fool Ill take is a compliment.
Its those like you who have started this whole mess.

What am I going to do? Im going to leave your transgendered, sanctuary state and sit back and laugh at you. Thats what Im going to do.
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 03-25-2018, 11:23 PM
tonyxcom's Avatar
tonyxcom tonyxcom is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: NorCal
Posts: 6,396
iTrader: 46 / 100%
Default

You aren't complying any more or less than the people that are registering, but I don't need to convince you of that because you already know it, you just won't admit it.

You should move now, otherwise you are in no position to judge or lecture.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 03-25-2018, 11:26 PM
Betfair39's Avatar
Betfair39 Betfair39 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Long Beach
Posts: 117
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Philthy View Post

Welcome to California. The place where your rights don't matter unless you're an illegal immigrant.
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 03-25-2018, 11:28 PM
tonyxcom's Avatar
tonyxcom tonyxcom is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: NorCal
Posts: 6,396
iTrader: 46 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Simi762 View Post
80% everything before June
Still need to make them compliant.

There are plenty of us that have a good amount of pre 2014 and post 2014 semi's so we are in a position to do "all of the above" which many of us are.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 03-26-2018, 4:39 AM
MeatyMac's Avatar
MeatyMac MeatyMac is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: A Banana Republic
Posts: 1,750
iTrader: 82 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyxcom View Post
Still need to make them compliant.

There are plenty of us that have a good amount of pre 2014 and post 2014 semi's so we are in a position to do "all of the above" which many of us are.
Pre 2014

Last edited by MeatyMac; 03-26-2018 at 1:21 PM..
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 2:04 PM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2021, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.
All opinions, statements and remarks made by Calguns.net on this web site and elsewhere are solely attributable to Calguns.net.



Seams2SewBySusy