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Competition, Action Shooting And Training. Competition, Three gun, IPSC, IDPA , and Training discussion here. |
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Great reading
Some of us already felt this way and others dont. I think the article does a great job blending the 2 schools of thought together. Pay close attention to what is said about competition vs defensive training, dry fire vs live fire, human self preservation being instinct, and what competition can do for you on the streets. My favorite point is learning to push speed through competition and see at what point you start to break apart and understand how to tune that down or up while maintaining accuracy. So many great points about the mental side of walking stages and understanding a plan and then expecuting it. Many seem to think that isnt realistic and can hurt you in SD but those of compete know better. At the end of the article he suggests competing to surround yourself with BETTER shooters.
http://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org/...l/286-may-2013 Last edited by Brian1979; 05-02-2013 at 5:15 AM.. |
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Ya, both have good skill building opportunities if only gun handling is what you're after. But they have weakness's also..... Competitors rehearse what they do. Start positions are predictable, gear is mostly of 'race' style..... Self defense folks practice 'operator' style with gear to match..... Neither are realistic in day-to-day living..... I've yet to see a video or class that simulates getting out of bed in your PJ's, or off the couch wearing flip flops and shorts with a beer in one hand and the remote in the other with a home invasion staring you in the face..... Basically, training (if it's possible) for the element of surprise..... Where's your gun??.. in the safe??... are you carrying??... Can you make a shot from your position without killing the kid next door in their room if you miss.... Building shooting skills is one thing, but the 'real deal' is another..... Either way, competition is good for the soul..!!!!
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Brian doesn't use a 'race gun' he uses a Glock 21 or 1911 from concealment but he does wear 511 Tactical pants.... Actually IDPA has scenarios very close to what you describe.
You guys do know who Michael Seeklander is? Competitve shooter, ex marine and ex cop. He is also a kick *** GM. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNnKlnsrxIw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JpN6UjWyaI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xencS-HvOFs Last edited by HighLander51; 05-02-2013 at 9:28 AM.. |
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Guys, what is the best way you practice/ develop this? Especially we are dealing with firearms, we really can't "spar". Short of enlisting into military or LE, what about these as possible solutions? Airsoft ?(force on force) Paintball ? Martial arts/MMA ? (Learned alot from my early Kenpo days) Thanks! |
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^^^This^^^....
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Tagged to read later. Thanks OP.
Quick thought about the subject... "I know for certain, I would not like to be in a gun fight against a lot of the pro shooters!"
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Me neither......
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Plans fail and we quickly learn to adapt which is a great skill to have. Get a malfunction under the clock vs induced by an instructor who talks you through it. Etc.
I agree with Gun Fu there is no preparing for this stuff but the only constant variable is gun handling and making the gun an extension of your finger. For me I pick up a gun like its a pencil and am still working on things each time I practice but it sure is comforting knowing my around a firearm, especially one I carry. Now my glock is in the safe and my S&W 640 is here ready to go for tonight's house party. Much easier to deal with in those situations. |
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Please tell me you're kidding...... Under the clock.!!!.... an instructor.!!!! How about a thug pointing a gun at you're head..... Now that is stress...... Man you need to get this competition thing as a 'end all, i can save the world' notion out of you're head.... If the guy who win's the match is the only one that survives the fight...... You loose... every time..!!!!.... Nobody gets to sign a score sheet when the dust settles in the real world..... I'll try to find a link to an article that came across my FB page recently that will summarize where i'm headed with this.....
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I dont understand where people think they are going to get this sort of practice ever. Perhaps you could pay a company to stage a random attack on you but give me a break its not realistic no matter what we do. The only constant is gun handling and your ability to shoot. Everything else is forever changing and can not be rehearsed. |
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I must be missing something. If you don't do paid training on a regular basis, or shoot organized competition on a regular basis, or practice standard drills on a regular basis, and if something happens for real, do you just pretend it will all come together?
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Now that's funny...!!!.. You mean Ninja without a gun....!!!..Based on your reply on post #5, I'll assume you are LEO of some sort.???...Yes..???
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don't be fooled by his mild mannered appearance, Dan got to the top of USPSA as well as being a top level 3-gunner when he was playing the games regularly.
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I do have a friend in high belt karate and my kid is in it. I would love to enroll and learn things but dont have time to do it all. If I had no ccw I am sure I would make that my skill set. Last edited by Brian1979; 05-05-2013 at 4:52 AM.. |
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He especially sucked with a revolver!
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