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Old 05-15-2014, 4:31 AM
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Looks like SSE people will need to do an additional step and PPT the gun to someone who then PPTs it back to you.

Or do a voluntary DOJ registration to a immediate family member who then PPTs it back to you or who gives it back to you via voluntary DOJ registration again.
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This is gonna be a bigger issue seeing as how it is not applied equally throughout the state (different counties). I have an SSE'd P238 on my permit and my IA had no issues with it, actually was complemented on it being such a nice firearm.
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Looks like SSE people will need to do an additional step and PPT the gun to someone who then PPTs it back to you.

Or do a voluntary DOJ registration to a immediate family member who then PPTs it back to you or who gives it back to you via voluntary DOJ registration again.
Does the sse disappear if this is done, or can they still easily tell it was sse'd?
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Or do a voluntary DOJ registration to a immediate family member who then PPTs it back to you or who gives it back to you via voluntary DOJ registration again.
How would that work for you spouse?

Does the spouse need to have a HSC?

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Looks like SSE people will need to do an additional step and PPT the gun to someone who then PPTs it back to you.

Or do a voluntary DOJ registration to a immediate family member who then PPTs it back to you or who gives it back to you via voluntary DOJ registration again.
Best to PM this conversation back and forth, as the IA's are on the forum.....
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This is not a question of policy. We are following guidelines set forth by the California Attorney General's office regarding eligible firearms lawful to carry concealed. Any single shot firearm that has been modified is not eligible to be listed for use on a CCW permit.
So the gun grabbers found a loophole and are exploiting it. We really need to rally behind some pro gunners and get the elected to office. We can no longer sit back and let somebody else do the work.
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From what I've heard most departments don't allow modified guns for CCW. Technically a gun that has gone through the sse process is modified.
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Looks like SSE people will need to do an additional step and PPT the gun to someone who then PPTs it back to you.

Or do a voluntary DOJ registration to a immediate family member who then PPTs it back to you or who gives it back to you via voluntary DOJ registration again.
So, you'd have the original cost of the gun + DROS + SSE fee, then two more DROS & FFL transfer fees?

Might work, but of course doesn't pass the smell test, and I'm not sure why some over diligent IAs wouldn't discover this and say it's their policy to not allow it.

But sure starts becoming cost prohibitive.
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From what I've heard most departments don't allow modified guns for CCW. Technically a gun that has gone through the sse process is modified.
That varies greatly from IA to IA. Some people already have highly modified guns on their permits.
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The big question here is how was the permit issued with the SSE firearm listed on it if it doesn't meet the guidelines? They're certainly taking their sweet time moving these apps through the system, you'd think they'd catch this before issuing? There's got to be something else going on here, especially since they notified him the next day, meaning they're still processing paperwork after the fact...
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I gleefully picked up my License yesterday in Ventura (foolishly thinking I was home free).

Today I received a call requiring me to come back to remove my SSE firearm from my license.

I was told it was not a department policy, but a guideline by the California Attorney General's office.

Quite disappointing news with their stance on off-roster SSE firearms...

The only silver lining is Brandon Combs and the Calguns Foundation is actively working through this specific scenario (hopefully to end this practice being adopted by different departments).
I mentioned this a few weeks ago. WoW!
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Yikes. This will shortly become a bigger state-wide issue.

Keep us updated. Ask them for their "reasons" if you get a chance. I would bring a copy of your DROS printout to show it's still registered to you, what is the difference.
It's because the DROS shows single shot and they said people are skirting around the law with it. He said you can have an SSE pistol on the permit but it has to be single shot - NOT semi automatic with 10 rounds.
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This is likely just the AG stirring the pot hoping to come up with headlines to support a SSE ban legislation.
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Best to PM this conversation back and forth, as the IA's are on the forum.....
Why? Then they can see how jacked-up their "guidance/non-policy" is! The final outcome of SSE+PPT+PPT=PPT=legal, is redonkulous!
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I had my 1911 .45 ACP full size as my primary and then listed XDS 3.3 9mm that was SSE'd. Investigator crossed out the SSE pistol during my interview. I bought the XDS for the CCW and now I can't use it? What a waste of money. He said just to use the 1911 or a Glock 19.

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Investigator crossed it out the SSE pistol during my interview. I bought the XDS for the CCW and now I can't use it?
Were you the one who posted your interview experience but then was told to edit out the post? Any info as to why?
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Were you the one who posted your interview experience but then was told to edit out the post? Any info as to why?
yep. so Brandon Combs can handle it.

i didnt know it actually came to fruition until i saw this thread when they started calling people to return their permits and scratch out their SSE pistol(s)

imagine if that SSE was your only primary.
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I gleefully picked up my License yesterday in Ventura (foolishly thinking I was home free).

Today I received a call requiring me to come back to remove my SSE firearm from my license.

I was told it was not a department policy, but a guideline by the California Attorney General's office.

Quite disappointing news with their stance on off-roster SSE firearms...

The only silver lining is Brandon Combs and the Calguns Foundation is actively working through this specific scenario (hopefully to end this practice being adopted by different departments).
Lame answer on the Sheriff's department's part. "Guidelines" are not law and VCSD could choose not to follow them. However by following them, VCSD is making the guidelines their policy.
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I might have missed it but OP what county are we talking about?
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I might have missed it but OP what county are we talking about?
Ventura
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What part of the law is the AG basing that opinion on?

If the firearm was legally purchased, is registered, etc, then what makes it illegal or unsuitable for carry?
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What part of the law is the AG basing that opinion on?

If the firearm was legally purchased, is registered, etc, then what makes it illegal or unsuitable for carry?
The more important question here is exactly where the law states a 'single shot' weapon cannot be converted to a semi automatic.
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imagine if that SSE was your only primary.
That would be me! My only two pistols are SSE. If they take that away I have nothing.
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This is very bad news and I am afraid of something even bigger and worse comming out of this nonsense.
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As a brand new Ventura County approve CCW Instructor, I won't be giving classes until I know exactly what Ventura is requiring. I'm wondering about all the older people who have either purchased off roster guns via PPT or prior to the roster's existence. I just wouldn't feel right about taking money from someone to qualify with a certain firearm and their not being able to use it.
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theoretically, can the SSE firearm be used in SSE form for CCW? if not, then the sheriff needs to explain this as well. gov't always finds a way to kneecap the American people.
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theoretically, can the SSE firearm be used in SSE form for CCW? if not, then the sheriff needs to explain this as well. gov't always finds a way to kneecap the American people.
yes you can. my investigator said you can have an SSE firearm as long as its in the original configuration listed on the DROS as "single shot"

so if you get into an altercation with more than 1 bad guy, you can chuck your SSE pistol at the 2nd person and run like a good citizen until the cops come in 15 minutes to take your report
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The more important question here is exactly where the law states a 'single shot' weapon cannot be converted to a semi automatic.
Exactly.....what's this "skirting the law" stuff they refer too? There is no such thing.....it's either legal or its not. If the law doesn't specifically state it as illegal.....then it's legal. If the CCW laws don't have any restrictions listed on what can be carried, then any restrictions put in place by the AG or the issuing agency would constitute something like an "underground regulation" would it not?

I'm sure that's what Brandon and CGF are working on though.
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That was once on the list, unless my memory is really shot.
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I'm sure that's what Brandon and CGF are working on though.
yes they are working on it.
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Wow this is really concerning since I have an SSE'd gun on my permit. However I believe the only way to track that would be to run the serial and it will show SSE. If you bought it when it was on the roster or through PPT then your DROS shows it as a semi auto and shouldn't matter then. Like others have said, if you ppt your SSE to a buddy you will be selling it to him as a semi auto and then he can transfer it back to you as a semi auto and again shouldn't be an issue then. If your SSE gun is still in SSE form then they have no grounds to say you can't keep it on there. The penal code specifically says it is legal to buy off roster guns as SSE. It also does NOT say that you can't convert it back to semi auto but that adds a little more grey area in it.
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Why? Then they can see how jacked-up their "guidance/non-policy" is! The final outcome of SSE+PPT+PPT=PPT=legal, is redonkulous!
or find one or more buds with the same gun/condition and launch a swap party
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or find one or more buds with the same gun/condition and launch a swap party
hahahha I can imagine the classifieds now "WTT off roster shield for off roster shield"
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This is one of the reasons people are willing to pay more for a used off-roster gun which already had SSE done. This scenario is one that has been discussed at length and people were criticized for thinking it too hard or being paranoid.
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This.
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A lot of LCP owners! Many CCW permits are meant specifically for carrying just those handguns. Will this be one city gets to CCW them and the other doesn't? Sounds like it, considering it's 'recommended' or suggested "guidelines."
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This truly sucks.

Next they will be want only Micro-Stampped guns on your CCWs.

When are we going to vote these anti-2A politicians OUT OF OFFICE ???

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I know for Orange County off roster pistols are OK. My buddy JohnP went through all the hoops with his non-CA shield and has not gotten called back yet.
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When I did my interview last month with one of the Detectives here in Ventura, I was questioned about my list of firearms and asked if one was an SSE and if I was going to carry it as a single shot. I told him it would be semi auto, and he then proceeded to write down notes about it and have yet to hear any updates about my CCW.

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