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Wild Squid = Adam Keigwin. Now that he no longer works for Yee, this is his full time hobby.
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I seem to recall a certain law that passed a few years ago that placed a ban on internet ammo sales and limits on handgun ammo per month as well as mandating micro stamping. I also recall it being challenged and overturned. Don't tell me CGF does nothing but fleece suckers least you become one yourself.
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I know a bunch of people who don't read or post on Calguns. Some act like they don't care. Others get their updated info from me. This just proves the point that if these laws pass their are going to be a lot of current law abiding gun owners getting in trouble for not being in the know. |
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IBTL ?
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For the record, you are incorrect about a few things.
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Quite untrue. Not only is CGF responsible for a much smaller share of the litigation than you suggest, they have not won a single case overturning a CA law. 100% false. The bullet button was created by Prince50, and people have had featureless ARs as far back as 1999. CGF was not around then, nor did it participate in Harrot, the case which allowed for "offlist" ARs (the NRA on the other hand WAS involved).
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I don't think he should be banned. Is there any legitimacy to what he posted in his original thread? I watch some of the hearings on the internet. Our representation didn't seem well prepared at times.
Does anyone know what they have actually done? Is there a way to find out what they are doing on a day to day basis to further the cause? I don't think he should be banned but this is a time for us to stand together. I'm seeing more and more post where we are attacking each other. We have some deep issue to overcome. Most gun owners don't know or care to know what's going on. My neighbor bought himself a $2100 Benelli shotgun 2 years ago. He has no Idea that he will now have to register that gun. He might not even care that he has to register it. If we don't stand together we are done. |
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Why would he have to register it? The 2014 long gun registration law is NOT retroactive.
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What squid isn't wild or is he referring to how he does his hair?
This is a lot like your coach paying a reporter to piss on his team so they get extra motivation for the game. Remember Heller Guy Montag Doe McDonald California
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I’m going to step in to this quagmire with a question. Why cant we utilize Public Broadcasting Networks (TV / Radio Stations) to educate, whether it be 2A or gun safety to get the message out directly or indirectly?
Surprisingly most of the people I encounter on a day to day bases aren’t even aware of current laws much less upcoming proposed laws. I personally believe CGF is doing a very good job, but seems the Anti’s use the media as their big gun to push their agendas while we sit on forums that just don’t seem to get the message out as effectively. There must be some way to get equal air time to help spread the word. Stop and think about it for a moment, companies like duck dynasty are making millions on the back of 2A. Perhaps they would be willing to chip in a few dollars as well as gun manufactures to help support some type of media events to help educate the people. After all they have a stake in the outcome of these laws whether at the State level or National level. If I’m off base, please excuse my ignorance.
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How many desperate attorneys have had their feathers ruffled so badly that they insist on making ridiculously stupid posts in an attempt to denigrate other, CGF affiliated lawyers?
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If someone could find it and post a link, most interesting is what CRPA has actually done v. CGF...which always seemed to me to be more of a legal defense group, not particularly in the offensive mode toward legislation. -hanko
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My mistake on the Shotgun law. I didn't know it was not retro-active. I guess my point is he is a gun owner and has no idea of the laws that are being passed. He wants to buy an AR because I told him what was going on. He is not actively involved.
This is why we are losing. |
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As an old, letter-writing white guy, I agree. Younger people have a different perspective than we did at their age. To get their attention and engage them requires a different tack than what we have practiced for the past 50+ years.
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I don't see any aspect of our fight as an "all or nothing" proposition. Other that "We ALL need to wake up and do ALL we can to defend our 2A rights!"
We need voices in the capitol, we needs voices in the courts, we need voices on the streets. At some point in the future we may be able to look back and in hindsight pinpoint a course of action that may have been the best one to pursue, but unless your crystal ball has 20/20 clarity there's no way to predict what path will prove to be most effective. That doesn't mean that we should jump on any group that purports to be 2A proponents, each of us must always do our due diligence. And there are strategies that although well intentioned can, if reality, be counter productive. Some of this in-fighting just plays into the anti's hands and we should all consider that before throwing out wild accusations.
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wild squid
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I smell small man syndrome.
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The guy is losing his gun rights and he's here to gloat. fool.
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Trolling aside, it's nuts to ignore what Calguns has gone: number of individuals as far into the "no way, this won't happen!" territory as San Mateo county have a CCW, featureless and bullet button equipped OLLs are sold in nearly every gun store in this state, and so forth... You may "so what", but this now created a large group of people with a strong personal interest ("hey, I paid $2500 for my tactictool close-quarters zombie annihilator carbine, don't take it away!") for great deal of people in California. Also don't get that great deal of bad legislation (some bills this year, SB 249 last year) has been defeated over years, despite this being a single party state (FWIW I'm not a partisan of either of the parties, but I just think a state that's a "safe win" for either one of the parties bodes poorly for individuals in that state who care about their rights). |
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While I think the OP is full of sh¡t I understand the frustration. About 20% of California's population own guns (http://www.schs.state.nc.us/SCHS/brf.../firearm3.html). That is 7.5 million people. If half of them showed up and voted a pro-gun ticket, they would dominate any statewide election.
IBTL...
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...49&postcount=7
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...58&postcount=8 http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...65&postcount=9 http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...2&postcount=10
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'If you aren't in 100% agreement you're wrong and must be driven off!' And please don't tell me that it's BS, for a long time I was of that mindset and was lauded for deleting and banning those of opposing viewpoints. Even supporting CGF I have come to realize that was wrong and so was protecting CGF from negative comments. As long as it is civil everyone should be able to post their thoughts, concerns, support or even criticisms. Even the OP regardless of how much i think he's wrong, misinformed and just confused.
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We should be as open to hear the concerns and criticisms as we are to hear the support and accolades.
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I didn't see this brought up before but our rights aren't just eroding because of bad laws/legislators and indifferent, lazy gun owners. We are also being victimized by activist judges. Nothing CGF or any other organization can do about that.
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Kes: agreed.
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In the end, we can't win this unless we convince people of the rightness of our position, and that can't be done with a one-way dialog except when one owns a majority of the media outlets -- something the other side has that we don't.
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This. I can't believe that most of my gun-owning friends know little to nothing about the pending laws. They're the type that only go out once every couple of months and just ask me what's going on with CA laws. So how do we reach these types of people? The ones that don't go on Calguns or have a friend that is staying informed to pass on the message. I like the idea that someone mentioned earlier about using the public media system. What would something like a 30 sec ad cost to air? It could at least bring people to Calguns where they can find more information. Unfortunately it would bring more trolls too... |
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"The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing"
I immediately thought of this quote when the op asked if the people who donated money to CGF basically felt foolish. Foolish would have been to not even try. Even with the uphill battle we fight to uphold our second amendment right in this utopia minded state, no matter the odds or discrepancies, never, never, never should we just lay down and take it. Foolish is this thread. It was obviously meant to rile others and make us second guess those who represent us. Infighting is the sign of defeat. Are we defeated? Nope. Let's keep our eye on the goal guys. Quote:
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hth -hanko
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+1 post #128, tip my cap to the head janitor.
I never understood why fellow 2A supporters flame each other. We've got to be open to minority opinions, otherwise we are as despicable as the legislators we rail against. We need to debate all opinions, and then work to align all gun-owners to a common agenda. We've got to take the high road and not take the bait. Once you resort to an emotional flame response, you have lost the argument even if to are 100% correct.
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