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Old 09-01-2019, 12:39 PM
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Hey Turner's Guy, I'm waiting on your response to this too. Does/Will Turner's do a PPT on Ammo or not?
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Morning bump.
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Sorry had to.
With all the new systems in place and lack of clear directives and SOPS, at this time we are not completing transfers of ammo between private sellers. The ammo line mixed with the gun counter line is already creating issues and with customer feedback we are working on ways to expedite all the processes to make all transactions as easy as possible.
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Sorry had to.
With all the new systems in place and lack of clear directives and SOPS, at this time we are not completing transfers of ammo between private sellers. The ammo line mixed with the gun counter line is already creating issues and with customer feedback we are working on ways to expedite all the processes to make all transactions as easy as possible.
That seems non-responsive to the basic issue of the referenced post. “Lack of clear directives and SOPs”, is a discretionary and internal corporate problem.

It’s been reported that your store manager stated Turner’s didn’t have to comply with the statute and accommodate private sales/transfers of ammo.

Will you clarify whether Turner’s believes they do/do not have to accommodate these transfers under the provisions of the statute?

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How about posting a sign on the door to the store and posting on the website.
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Sorry had to.
With all the new systems in place and lack of clear directives and SOPS, at this time we are not completing transfers of ammo between private sellers.

The ammo line mixed with the gun counter line is already creating issues and with customer feedback we are working on ways to expedite all the processes to make all transactions as easy as possible.
Pure unadulterated corporate Bovine Excrement.



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(a) (1) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale of ammunition by any party shall be conducted by or processed through a licensed ammunition vendor.

(2) When neither party to an ammunition sale is a licensed ammunition vendor, the seller shall deliver the ammunition to a vendor to process the transaction. The ammunition vendor shall promptly and properly deliver the ammunition to the purchaser, if the sale is not prohibited, as if the ammunition were the vendor’s own merchandise. If the ammunition vendor cannot legally deliver the ammunition to the purchaser, the vendor shall forthwith return the ammunition to the seller. The ammunition vendor may charge the purchaser an administrative fee to process the transaction, in an amount to be set by the Department of Justice, in addition to any applicable fees that may be charged pursuant to the provisions of this title.
^^^^^Clear DIRECTIVE is given in Ca PC 30312.^^^^^

NOT doing transfers of ammo. Clearly means you are NOT COMPLIANT with Ca LAW.

PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
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So you don’t know how to transfer it, but you know how to sell it? How did that happen?
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So you don’t know how to transfer it, but you know how to sell it? How did that happen?
I'd respect Turner's more if they just were honest and just said they don't want to do it.
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They don't want to do GUN transfers, do you really think they want to do ammo transfers?

Turners sucks. Why do people continue to do business with them?
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They don't want to do GUN transfers, do you really think they want to do ammo transfers?

Turners sucks. Why do people continue to do business with them?
Some don't know any better. They assume all gun shops are the same if they are not enthusiasts. Also there is a lot of Turner's locations so for some just convenience.

I recently bought a gun at Turner's and it mainly went OK but I rarely step foot in a Turner's any more. Don't really see any reason to I have smaller shops I get better service from and that sell more of the type of stuff I'm interested in.

Most Turner's sales don't appeal to me either. I haven't done a PPT at Turner's since 2001 and for good reason.
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I'd respect Turner's more if they just were honest and just said they don't want to do it.
More?

I'd respect them only if they'd COMPLY WITH THE STATUTE.
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Perhaps if you'd stop hiring Derelicts and employed knowledgeable firearms people along with running the business like it should be rather than a f****** bakery where everybody has to take a number and wait two hours, you wouldn't be in this situation. I boycotted Turner's many years ago and wouldn't step in their door for a free gun. After spending thousands upon thousands of dollars on many firearms I couldn't take the b******* anymore regardless of how good the deal might be. Please stop supporting these people
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Pure unadulterated corporate Bovine Excrement.





^^^^^Clear DIRECTIVE is given in Ca PC 30312.^^^^^

NOT doing transfers of ammo. Clearly means you are NOT COMPLIANT with Ca LAW.

PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
Has the DOJ set pricing yet? If not, that may be the problem.
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Has the DOJ set pricing yet? If not, that may be the problem.
No. that’s not the problem. The Statutes contain the pricing (fees to be assessed) and DOJ incorporated them into state regulations some time ago.

You can find all of the citations, here.
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DOJ regulations are not clear on this being a mandate for dealers; DOJ themselves initially told many dealers that it was not mandated in the same way that firearm PPT’s are. Perhaps they felt the language that the dealer must process the transfer as if the ammunition were the vendor’s own merchandise, dictated that dealers must run one of the background checks as it does with new ammo, but does not clearly state that dealers must process these transfers to begin with.

Again, given the amount of time that it takes to process all DOJ related processes, we had not begun processing these transfers- a) because the regs are not clear when combined with DOJ’s prior guidance, and b) because we do want to smooth out the ammo and gun buying process given the disruptive nature of the continued 10-15% SAEC rejection rate and/or customers still struggling to overcome FLA CDL issues.

While we have not been overrun with tons of requests to do these- very few, in fact- we’ll take a second look at processing these and let you all know
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DOJ regulations are not clear on this being a mandate for dealers; DOJ themselves initially told many dealers that it was not mandated in the same way that firearm PPT’s are. Perhaps they felt the language that the dealer must process the transfer as if the ammunition were the vendor’s own merchandise, dictated that dealers must run one of the background checks as it does with new ammo, but does not clearly state that dealers must process these transfers to begin with.

Again, given the amount of time that it takes to process all DOJ related processes, we had not begun processing these transfers- a) because the regs are not clear when combined with DOJ’s prior guidance, and b) because we do want to smooth out the ammo and gun buying process given the disruptive nature of the continued 10-15% SAEC rejection rate and/or customers still struggling to overcome FLA CDL issues.

While we have not been overrun with tons of requests to do these- very few, in fact- we’ll take a second look at processing these and let you all know
Thanks for coming back to this. Too bad you’re the messenger....

This law went into effect on Jan 1, 2018, and Turner’s is still confused?

Anyone who is passingly familiar with these statutes knows that the law says all ammo transactions must go through a vendor. For a vendor to claim they don’t think they have to process the transaction is absurd.

Your final statement seals it. The amount of time to process DOJ requirements and the need to “smooth out” the ammo and gun-buying process given the rate of rejections, is irrelevant. As you stated, you have, in fact, “very few” of these transactions.

Finally, why no love in your sig block for the Sacramento (Florin)?
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DOJ regulations are not clear on this being a mandate for dealers; DOJ themselves initially told many dealers that it was not mandated in the same way that firearm PPT’s are. Perhaps they felt the language that the dealer must process the transfer as if the ammunition were the vendor’s own merchandise, dictated that dealers must run one of the background checks as it does with new ammo, but does not clearly state that dealers must process these transfers to begin with.

Again, given the amount of time that it takes to process all DOJ related processes, we had not begun processing these transfers- a) because the regs are not clear when combined with DOJ’s prior guidance, and b) because we do want to smooth out the ammo and gun buying process given the disruptive nature of the continued 10-15% SAEC rejection rate and/or customers still struggling to overcome FLA CDL issues.

While we have not been overrun with tons of requests to do these- very few, in fact- we’ll take a second look at processing these and let you all know
The bolded quote above is duly noted as "corporate doublespeak deflection". The onus placed on "ammunition vendors" by this statute is unambiguous and clearly stated. Leaving no discretionary choices for the vendor.

RE-QUOTE FROM POST #8

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(a) (1) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale of ammunition by any party shall be conducted by or processed through a licensed ammunition vendor.

(2) When neither party to an ammunition sale is a licensed ammunition vendor, the seller shall deliver the ammunition to a vendor to process the transaction. The ammunition vendor shall promptly and properly deliver the ammunition to the purchaser, if the sale is not prohibited, as if the ammunition were the vendor’s own merchandise.

If the ammunition vendor cannot legally deliver the ammunition to the purchaser, the vendor shall forthwith return the ammunition to the seller. The ammunition vendor may charge the purchaser an administrative fee to process the transaction, in an amount to be set by the Department of Justice, in addition to any applicable fees that may be charged pursuant to the provisions of this title.
The contextual use of "SHALL" in 30312 in relation to vendors, makes it an IMPERATIVE statement.

If Turner's refuses to do PTP ammo transfers. They are NOT IN COMPLIANCE with Ca pc-30312.
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Turners has morphed into the old B & B attitude. " If you're not here to spend LOTS of MONEY right Now, we don't have time for you ".

They used to be Nice, Polite and Knowledgeable People with a Full selection of Firearms.

Now their are jerks, that know about Sig's & AR's, and nothing else.
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Turners has morphed into the old B & B attitude. " If you're not here to spend LOTS of MONEY right Now, we don't have time for you ".

They used to be Nice, Polite and Knowledgeable People with a Full selection of Firearms.

Now their are jerks, that know about Sig's & AR's, and nothing else.
I’ve not had that experience with the (new) Sacramento store. Calm, relaxed, efficient. I did know more about the firearm I was looking at than staff, but again, they were new. Senior staff tried to convince me that the DROS fee was $30, and we finally agreed that $5.00 (plus tax) was a Turners’ special fee, not DROS.

(And, frankly, B&B a few decades ago, was pretty fun.)
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Turners has morphed into the old B & B attitude. " If you're not here to spend LOTS of MONEY right Now, we don't have time for you ".

They used to be Nice, Polite and Knowledgeable People with a Full selection of Firearms.

Now their are jerks, that know about Sig's & AR's, and nothing else.
I will give any store a pass for helping the paying customers first over someone just browsing. It's just good business sense to attend to someone actually buying first or known good steady customers.

Of course rudeness should never be tolerated.
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