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I am really troubled how nonchalantly Willie treated this guy who was asking a legitimate question.

So I pulled this thread from Arfcom. If you guys want me to provide a link just ask.
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he doubled down on twitter





edit a new "apology"

Notice how he qualifies how he appreciates every "good" member. Who gets to decide who is a "good" member? I think every NRA member should be treated with respect.
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What a chump that guy is. And he is doubling down on Twitter.

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I am really troubled how nonchalantly Willie treated this guy who was asking a legitimate question.

So I pulled this thread from Arfcom. If you guys want me to provide a link just ask.
It appears the above is cropped a bit. Here's a link to a fuller version, although 15 hrs between the remarks leaves open that much could have transpired between and the remarks may not be direct responses:

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/...akes/83849706/

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http://cpac.conservative.org/speakers/willes-lee/

"He is a Life member of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA)/Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) and Gun Owners of America (GOA)"

Maybe his delivery wasn't the best but the substance seems straightforward. We know nothing about the questioner except that he asked in a smart *ss way and used it as an opportunity to push other progun organizations, one of which Mr. Lee happens to be a member of also. And that his support for the 2nd Amendment is sufficiently shallow as to be put off by one negative interaction.

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It appears the above is cropped a bit. Here's a link to the full version:

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/...akes/83849706/

Full CPAC bio:

http://cpac.conservative.org/speakers/willes-lee/

"He is a Life member of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA)/Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) and Gun Owners of America (GOA)"

Maybe his delivery wasn't the best but the substance seems straightforward.
How is the image I posted cropped? It looks to be the exact same image linked to in your url. The only difference is that link has an additional statement Willie issue after the fact.

This is what is in your link. If I am missing something please tell me/.






then your link follows up with this image which is Willie's official statement that he did for damage control

https://i.imgur.com/z8EK34X.png
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Guy didn't ask a legitimate question because he didn't want an honest answer !

Notice the OP did not try again and I agree his question did not deserve an answer!

We NRA members are much better off w/o these simpletons doing Bloombergs work !
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Guy didn't ask a legitimate question because he didn't want an honest answer !

Notice the OP did not try again and I agree his question did not deserve an answer!

We NRA members are much better off w/o these simpletons doing Bloombergs work !
That person asking the question is a NRA life member i.e. a paying member I don't know the person. NRA members should be able to expect at least as good of customer service from America's oldest civil rights organization as I would at Taco Bell. No one is saying anything bad about the NRA. However, if this is how Willie is going to act to a life member asking a question he is a bad representative of the NRA and needs to go.
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JA308 will defend the NRA no matter what they do. He refuses to allow any criticism or discussion about the organization. He will blindly follow Wayne, no matter what Wayne does. Critique and transparency are healthy. As NRA members, we should expect and demand the best. WE are the NRA, not Wayne and his cronies.

Also, a reminder that JA308 repeatedly has endorsed disarming Democrats and immoral people. Take his statements with a grain of salt. He doesn’t really believe in this 2nd amendment stuff.
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That person asking the question is a NRA life member i.e. a paying member I don't know the person. NRA members should be able to expect at least as good of customer service from America's oldest civil rights organization as I would at Taco Bell. No one is saying anything bad about the NRA. However, if this is how Willie is going to act to a life member asking a question he is a bad representative of the NRA and needs to go.
How exactly do we know he is a life member??? So far I have seen nothing but unsupported claims of this.

Is this accurate or just another hit job?

Glad you all can determine fact by what is posted on the internet by total strangers.

I get it.

Orange man bad/ NRA bad.

Go Joe.
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How exactly do we know he is a life member??? So far I have seen nothing but unsupported claims of this.

Is this accurate or just another hit job?

Glad you all can determine fact by what is posted on the internet by total strangers.

I get it.

Orange man bad/ NRA bad.

Go Joe.
He is acknowledging in his twitter post that the image is real and dismisses the person as a snowflake. Let's assume that the guy is not a life member and just was a random person asking a question. Is that how you want the leadership to be acting?

What else do you want to confirm this?
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I really would like to know what the NRA plans to do about it (if Trump goes through with banning suppressors).
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*sigh* this is NOT what we need right now, or ever really.

I never thought I'd say this but this guy could take tact and social media lessons from Trump...
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It is legitimate to ask what the NRA's response will be to Trump. And no doubt there is fear that the NRA will roll over, since that is what it did with the bump stock ban, Although the question could be interpreted as a condemnation of the organization, that is in the eye of the beholder--and there still has been nothing forthcoming from the NRA. If they are still formulating a response, then say that and be done with it. But ducking the question is bad form.
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This guy probably ate a fat steak for dinner. The money for that steak comes from his members... Biting the hand that feeds you is a self limiting undertaking.
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Some additional info on Willes Lee:




NRA Board Willes Lee Wins Re-Election, Thanks AmmoLand News
https://www.ammoland.com/2019/04/nra...#axzz5q7V4dFAm

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How is the image I posted cropped? It looks to be the exact same image linked to in your url. The only difference is that link has an additional statement Willie issue after the fact.

This is what is in your link. If I am missing something please tell me/.






then your link follows up with this image which is Willie's official statement that he did for damage control

https://i.imgur.com/z8EK34X.png
To clarify, I didn't mean to imply you cropped it. I presume you presented it as you found it on the other site. The additional info looked to me as part of the same posting - maybe it's not. Guns, I understand - computer stuff, not so much.

But regarding the rest, I wouldn't assume the fellow asking the question is an NRA Life Member. I'm not sure what a "lifelong" member is. I don't think we should a) presume the questioner is the good guy nor b) that Lee is the bad guy. If someone asked me that question in a "have you stopped beating your wife ?" fashion I'd be inclined to tell them to stuff it. And I might not later express regret about doing so.

Mr. Lee seems solid on gun rights. Maybe he was having a bad day and later said "sorry". Not a big deal for me.
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It is legitimate to ask what the NRA's response will be to Trump. And no doubt there is fear that the NRA will roll over, since that is what it did with the bump stock ban, Although the question could be interpreted as a condemnation of the organization, that is in the eye of the beholder--and there still has been nothing forthcoming from the NRA. If they are still formulating a response, then say that and be done with it. But ducking the question is bad form.
Obviously you missed this link in post#5

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Obviously you missed this link in post#5

https://i.imgur.com/z8EK34X.png
How is that link relevant? It was posted after Willie had his exchange and as damage control after Willie's messages were made public.
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How is that link relevant? It was posted after Willie had his exchange and as damage control after Willie's messages were made public.
Well it's relevant in so far as it demonstrates that even when Lee is is in "damage control" mode, he still behaves like a douchebag. Makes him a poor ambassador.

For what little it's worth, I feel that Trump was just talking out of his rear without too much thought, just to swat away a slightly awkward question. And I don't doubt that he will be set right by WLP, Don Jr and the rest when he gets back from Europe.

So personally I don't see any risk. But regular people are genuinely concerned after the swift cave-in on Slidefire stocks, and deserve some reassurance instead of being attacked as snarky snowflakes. "The NRA supports the continued use of suppressors and will continue to fight to ease restrictions in the few states where they are not currently available. As an important safety aid their removal from the NFA ia also a priority". There, print that instead.
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Unacceptable. Resign, Willes.
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Wow, we've got some crybabies here. The question was snarky and the response was pretty much what the question deserved.
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Wow, we've got some crybabies here. The question was snarky and the response was pretty much what the question deserved.
I detected zero snark, unless genuine concern is now considered snark, and after what happened with bump stocks it was a 100% legit question. The NRA rolled over. Asking them if they would do it again while reminding them they did it recently might hurt, but sometimes the truth does.

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Their logic that a bump stock allows a rifle to function like a full auto, could easily be extended to short travel, short reset, lightweight, or other types of triggers commonly in use. What idiots they were. Given that, we should be very skeptical of and allowed to question - the NRA’s position anytime another inanimate object is being offered up for sacrifice by anti-gunners and the lame stream media who never lets a single gun killing by a psychopath go to waste.
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How is that link relevant? It was posted after Willie had his exchange and as damage control after Willie's messages were made public.
Simply in answer to this:
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-and there still has been nothing forthcoming from the NRA.
Since none of these social media reposts are date stamped. How do we, after the fact, tell which came first. The chicken, or the egg. Or even from where, except those from Twitter?

Even the repost in the link, which appears, is a repost of a quote from another NRA spokesperson.

Look, I get it, Mr. Lee was rather tactless in his initial response. But holy crap, the guy was rude to say the least. And his "questionable" initial question. Was constructed as an accusatory manner from the get go.

Then this, after getting snubbed:

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That's probably because y'all aren't going to reply to Trump's statements on it. Thanks for confirming what everyone suspected.
I seriously doubt the veracity of anything this guy says. First indicator he is a phony, is his use of "y'all". If he was really of southern persuasion and was truly a "lifelong member of NRA". He would have used the inclusive we'all.

Again, if truly a "lifelong NRA member" Would he not already be aware of the long legislative fight to get passage of the "Hearing Protection Act?"


Readers know who Mr Lee is. His bio and history are all public record.

Who is this "anonymous poster" that has created such a divisive stir? I'm of the opinion that he has accomplished exactly what he set out to do.
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I seriously doubt the veracity of anything this guy says. First indicator he is a phony, is his use of "y'all". If he was really of southern persuasion and was truly a "lifelong member of NRA". He would have used the inclusive we'all.
7th generation Texan here. No one in the South says “we’all”. WTH that isn’t even a contraction. Maybe some ebonics but that isn’t southern white guy speak.

There is no reason to doubt the veracity of his membership claim nor the sincerity of the original question. Certainly not because of a y’all.

A simple review of his previous tweets would probably give some clue to his leanings. Unless you’d also argue that he was some deep undercover Brady mole grooming an account for years just to spring a gotcha question on a nobody like Willes Lee
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7th generation Texan here. No one in the South says “we’all”. WTH that isn’t even a contraction. Maybe some ebonics but that isn’t southern white guy speak.

There is no reason to doubt the veracity of his membership claim nor the sincerity of the original question. Certainly not because of a y’all.

A simple review of his previous tweets would probably give some clue to his leanings. Unless you’d argue that he was some deep undercover Brady mole grooming an account for years to spring on a nobody like Willes Lee
They do in the Ozarks, Smokies, Appalacia and many of the other regional southern dialects. Along with other versions of same.

In case you haven't noticed. There are many long term CG members who also claim to be NRA members. Who do nothing but badmouth the NRA. And make nothing but derogatory and divisive posts in relation to it.

I don't tweet, twerk, or facebutt. I have no idea who, what, or where this anonymous guy is. Or how to find out from the limited exposure of 2 anonymous quotes. Nor do I G-A-S.

IMO, he got a response he trolled for.

He gets no cheese on his Nothing Burger from me.

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Simply in answer to this:


Since none of these social media reposts are date stamped. How do we, after the fact, tell which came first. The chicken, or the egg. Or even from where, except those from Twitter?

Even the repost in the link, which appears, is a repost of a quote from another NRA spokesperson.

Look, I get it, Mr. Lee was rather tactless in his initial response. But holy crap, the guy was rude to say the least. And his "questionable" initial question. Was constructed as an accusatory manner from the get go.

Then this, after getting snubbed:



I seriously doubt the veracity of anything this guy says. First indicator he is a phony, is his use of "y'all". If he was really of southern persuasion and was truly a "lifelong member of NRA". He would have used the inclusive we'all.

Again, if truly a "lifelong NRA member" Would he not already be aware of the long legislative fight to get passage of the "Hearing Protection Act?"


Readers know who Mr Lee is. His bio and history are all public record.

Who is this "anonymous poster" that has created such a divisive stir? I'm of the opinion that he has accomplished exactly what he set out to do.
I've met Willes and based on my experience that is how he is in real life.

He has a ongoing pattern of doing this to people. This time he just did it in writing.
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I detected zero snark, unless genuine concern is now considered snark,...
Guess one man's snark is another's sweet truthiness.
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I liked his response to an obviously abusive question.

Those who believe he acted inappropriately can vote against and campaign to vote against him.

Oh BTW you need to be a member of the NRA to vote ! oops !
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Willie: The way you asked me that question hurt my little feelings so I'm not going to respond! *Hmph*

Also Willie: You snowflakes get your little feeling hurt so easily!

Projection much? This Willie dude needs to grow thicker skin. If you're in a leadership position and can't handle tough questions, make room for someone who can.

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I liked his response to an obviously abusive question.

Those who believe he acted inappropriately can vote against and campaign to vote against him.

Oh BTW you need to be a member of the NRA to vote ! oops !

Don't worry many NRA members have been unimpressed by the current NRA BoD for so many reasons and will likely vote for none of the current BoD members. Which assumes the state of NY does not revoke the NRA Charter before the next BoD election.
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They do in the Ozarks, Smokies, Appalacia and many of the other regional southern dialects. Along with other versions of same.

In case you haven't noticed. There are many long term CG members who also claim to be NRA members. Who do nothing but badmouth the NRA. And make nothing but derogatory and divisive posts in relation to it.

I don't tweet, twerk, or facebutt. I have no idea who, what, or where this anonymous guy is. Or how to find out from the limited exposure of 2 anonymous quotes. Nor do I G-A-S.

IMO, he got a response he trolled for.

He gets no cheese on his Nothing Burger from me.


Dunno just where you picked up your degree in linguistics, but that 'we all" excuse for a contraction is a newun' on me! And I have roots in Appalachia dating to at least the 1740's.............now, 'we-uns' or 'you-uns' more often 'yuns' are commonly heard in that region from Pennsylvania to North Georgia.............'We all", has gotta be from California, or some similar ujncivilized place!
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He lost me with his master's degree in "Public Administration".

Isn't that a degree in swamp management?
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Here is his second attempt at an "apology". I want to know what the guy has personally ever done for the Second Amendment. Can someone name one thing of note he has done. If he was really working hard for your Second Amendment rights I would not be as critical as I have been. I just can't stand someone being hypocrite. Notice how he qualifies how he appecaites every "good" member. Who gets to decide who is a "good" member? I think ever NRA member should be treated with respect.
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It is easy to tell just why he did not rise above that hip pocket Cnl,s rank............that sort of downspeak is a sure trip to being passed over, and assuredly is a guarantee of ''you ain't going no further, fella'.

I am ashamed to have someone with his obvious lack of courtesy holding that board position..........even tho I remain a staunch NRA supporter, it is obvious that we too have our share of anal wipe material!
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Geez, Every one knows it's All yall.
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The disrespect started with the NRA and their actions on bump stocks.
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Wow, what a douche bag. I did not detect any snark, and it appears an entirely legitimate question, especially since he starts off with mentioning he's an NRA member and supports the organization. This type of leadership gives me very little faith in the NRA.
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Here is his second attempt at an "apology". I want to know what the guy has personally ever done for the Second Amendment. Can someone name one thing of note he has done. If he was really working hard for your Second Amendment rights I would not be as critical as I have been. I just can't stand someone being hypocrite. Notice how he qualifies how he appecaites every "good" member. Who gets to decide who is a "good" member? I think ever NRA member should be treated with respect.

God he just sounds like a complete arse hole. Those types of people are so hard to be around and they only want yes men around them. Only he gets to decided what he likes, and everyone else gets abused.

Ask a simple question, get verbally abused and dismissed.

I fully support the NRA as the number one organization supporting our rights, but I will be using my vote for someone else to take his place on the BOD.
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After reading Willis response. I will vote for him next time he's up for election.
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LOL you all complain because NRA leadership won't stand up to the Anti's then you all get your panties in a bunch when one of them does.


Just sayin...
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