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Old 03-04-2009, 12:13 PM
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I am pulling the trigger on a custom precision shooting rifle this week. Will I be excluded from comps or be in a class disadvantage shooting something outside of the .308 or 300 WM?

I am currently sold on the 6.4 x 47 Lapua.

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I've seen people shoot that in the matches I have attended. At APS and WEGC they are not put in a different class.

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The main problem you will have is that you may, depending on your load, exceed the allowed velocity levels imposed at some matches due to the damage caused to the steel. Many matches, mine included, impose a 3000 - 3100 fps limit on velocity measured at 10'.

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You will be good to go with the 6.5x47. We have a few people that shoot with us that use that caliber and they have great results. The ballastics are very similar to the .260 Rem. I dont think that you will have to worry about the fps limit, our shooters have made it to many matches and not had a problem including the SCPRC.
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+1 on Velocity for the 6.5x47.

Greg runs the 123s right under 3K I believe for his sweet spot.

The only thing I dislike about the 6.5x47 is brass cost. A lot of these big matches are fire and forget when it comes to brass. I dunno what your bank roll is but I'd be butt hurt losing .75 to .80 per trigger pull, not to mention the time prepping the brass.

Either way..the 6.5x47 is good to go out to 1K as well.

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If you're prepeared to buy a lot of brass, go for it. Sometimes availability is spotty so you should definitly have quite a bit on hand to hold you over if supply drops off for a while.
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Yah something about dropping 800 on 1K of brass that doesnt sit with me well.

I get 1K of 260rem brass for 370.00 to my door from cabelas.

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Yeah I'm leaning more and more towards the .260 or even a .243 just to save on brass. Still not 100% on what to do for a second rifle yet. Hell, I still need to get my first one rebarreled!
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The cost/availability of the brass issue was exactly what came to mind with the 6.5x47. It would hurt me, if I had to leave it lay during a match.
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The cost/availability of the brass issue was exactly what came to mind with the 6.5x47. It would hurt me, if I had to leave it lay during a match.
There were a couple guys running the 6-6.5x47 at the TPRC. It was neck turned as well. I would've cried losing that stuff.
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Did not know I would have to walk away for a $1.00 per shot... umm maybe I will need to rethink this one.

How many matches don't allow you to pick up brass?
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Did not know I would have to walk away for a $1.00 per shot... umm maybe I will need to rethink this one.

How many matches don't allow you to pick up brass?
Most allow you to, but usually, you don't have time. And if you're moving from position to position, your brass gets piled up with everyone elses. Then it gets stepped on, buried in the dirt, and lost. Makes the 260 look a little more appealing, no?

And with the 260 you have all the capacity necessary to push the 139/142's. The 6.5x47 lags a little there. Some can do it, but they run high pressures and long barrels to get it done.
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How many matches don't allow you to pick up brass?
'Traditional' High Power (NRA Across the Course), NRA mid-range prone, NRA long-range prone, Palma, and F-class certainly allow you to police your brass.

But if you're shooting some sort of 'sniper' match, I can't imagine the Match Director will want to allot time for every competitor to go back after each stage is complete just to pick up brass, especially if there's a lot moving and shooting, simply in the interest of time.

I rarely shoot 'action' style matches with running and gunning, but when I do, I simply walk in expecting not to retain my brass.
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ocabj is absolutely right. There is no way I can give shooters an extra few minutes to police brass....now if a shooter wants to police brass on his or hers shoot time..thats fine.

Losing brass is apart of shooting big LR tac matches. At our monthly matches I let people police their brass since we are not pushing 60 shooters through and run less stages.

Gotta just chalk it up to the cost of shooting the comp.

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I shoot a .243 with great results. If i were in your position I would go with a .260. You can get cheaper brass and and its more readily available for either of those calibers. Im pushing 115 grain dtac's right at 3000fps in the .243 in a 1/7.5 twist barrel. I have not had a problem yet exceeding velocity limits for matches. I like the the .243 because i can get 500 dtacs for only 94 bucks.
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260 is sounding better and better... The original idea for looking at the 6.5 x 47 was the ability to seat long bullets at mag length.

Can anyone tell me the max bullet length for an overall of 2.800 or 2.8200 in a .260?


Maybe I will build a brass collector for my bolt guns now


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260 is sounding better and better... The original idea for looking at the 6.5 x 47 was the ability to seat long bullets at mag length.

Can anyone tell me the max bullet length for an overall of 2.800 or 2.8200 in a .260?


Maybe I will build a brass collector for my bolt guns now


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You can get to about 2.860 in an unmodified AICS mag. The 139's and 142's are no problem at mag length.
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What brass are you using?

The ability to use 243 and other brass to form .260 makes it the best choice for me...

Looks like I will be building a .260 now

Useful info = http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-s...creedmoor/?p=1
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I have RP brass I'll be using for my 260 build. I have winny for my 243.

And yes, with Lapua 243 and Win 7-08 brass to form 260, it does make it worth looking at.
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Currently .260Rem is the only real economical choice. If Hornady's 6.5mm Creedmoor (6.5x49mm) takes root and the brass becomes widely available then it might be a better overall package. But until that occurs, the .260Rem is the best of the three (.260Rem, 6.5x47mm, 6.5mm Creedmoor)
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What brass are you using?

The ability to use 243 and other brass to form .260 makes it the best choice for me...

Looks like I will be building a .260 now

Useful info = http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-s...creedmoor/?p=1

Remington brass shoots just fine. My KMW will stack em if I do my job behind the trigger.

People always cry about how soft RP is but if you can get 4 to 5 firings out of a piece you are good to go. 500 pieces will get you through a barrel almost. I shoot my Rem brass till the primers fall out and then I junk em.

It's a lil easier to do at 370 per 1K than 800 + per 1K LOL
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Hmm, this thread has done 2 things to me.

1. I can't wait till the summer when I can get back into shooting
2. I want a 260.

usdmgtr, who is building your rifle?
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I've got my .260 reamer and barrel ready to go. Just waiting on Surgeon and a few other details! Maybe i'll just put the barrel on my trued action just for the heck of it. Need to bead blast the thing though..
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Pete stopped taking them a long time ago..

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Hmm, this thread has done 2 things to me.

1. I can't wait till the summer when I can get back into shooting
2. I want a 260.

usdmgtr, who is building your rifle?
Randy at R&D... one day when the parts get it.
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Have you contacted Randy at R&D yet? He stopped doing complete rifle builds a short while ago except for a few special cases..
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Current build:

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That sounds a lot like what I shoot.
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Next time... I will be back soon to shave some lbs of the 18" beast.
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Yeah, I guess he was tired of not being able to see impacts.

I'm still debating whether or not I want one on my 243...
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Yeah, I guess he was tired of not being able to see impacts.

I'm still debating whether or not I want one on my 243...
LOL....come on bro. 243 too hard on the shoulders?
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Does your 260 have a brake?
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LOL....come on bro. 243 too hard on the shoulders?
Not at all. Its all about seeing impacts and quick follow-ups. May not be worth it though on the 243 with a 26 inch barrel. Plus I'm tired of hearing people whine about the blast. And I guess I need an unbraked rifle for f class stuff anyway...
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Negative ghost rider. The only rig I ever had a brake on was a 300WM lobbing 210s at 2850.
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Plus I'm tired of hearing people whine about the blast.
Yes.. I often hear such whining..
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