What is wrong with the NRA?

[digelectric]

Originally Posted by IVC

...So, we should try to "change minds" of people who are organized and explicitly against us...

No one is against us *personally*, they are simply arguing a policy that we disagree with and that I believe is misguided. Some people are just afraid of guns. Like some women are afraid of spiders or others are terrified of heights. It's mostly irrational.

[superdave50]

No one is against us huh? That's news to me.... Fake news

[digelectric]

Originally Posted by superdave50

No one is against us huh? That's news to me.... Fake news

Liberals are chasing you down with torches and pitchforks

[superdave50]

Yeah ok... Way to go straight to the extreme. What advertisement persuaded the d bag "professor" to attack with bike lock. Or how many other recent instances.

[homelessdude]

It's hard to be friends with people in ski masks with ball bats. PS Those people are on the left.

[Dragunov]

Originally Posted by mattgogrrr

OK, it isn't extremely violent, but it is a call-to-arms nonetheless..

....And I understand why. So should you.

JMHO.

[digelectric]

Originally Posted by homelessdude

It's hard to be friends with people in ski masks with ball bats. PS Those people are on the left.

Totally. Every liberal I know runs around in ski masks and beats conservatives with bike locks. Daily.

[IVC]

Originally Posted by digelectric

Totally. Every liberal I know runs around in ski masks and beats conservatives with bike locks. Daily.

They don't, but they are complacent. Much like they are complacent while their party is attacking our civil rights. Did you see my previous post with the link to the official Democratic Party Platform?

[randomBytes]

Originally Posted by digelectric

Totally. Every liberal I know runs around in ski masks and beats conservatives with bike locks. Daily.

Yes, a bit like the all the muslims who aren't crazy enough to run around blowing people up, but don't mind it when others do...

[digelectric]

Originally Posted by IVC

They don't, but they are complacent. Much like they are complacent while their party is attacking our civil rights. Did you see my previous post with the link to the official Democratic Party Platform?

Agreed. But complacent doesn't equal violent.

[digelectric]

Originally Posted by randomBytes

Yes, a bit like the all the muslims who aren't crazy enough to run around blowing people up, but don't mind it when others do...

Or the vast majority who don't support violence at all.

[GeorgeandSugar]

I saw the video. I came away with the impression that the left and namely the progressive left and anarchist have taken political debate into the realm of violence and all Americans need to be aware of this fact and it is they who exhibit this so called "fascist behavior" those of us right of center are accused of. When you see this and then consider the former presidents new endeavor Organize for Action (OFA) there is a much larger agenda in play. So far not much has been said about OAF in the media or their motivates, but from what I have read on their web site it's not American. Has the favor and feel of socialist/marxists agitation. Likely explains the so call resistance movement. I am a life member. Join and be a counterweight to the Progressives and anarchists and the gun control crowd. Our freedoms and liberties are but one generation away from being lost. Stay vigilant! Their approach is strategic patience and incrementalism.


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[101st Airborne]

IMHO the pro 2A people that rip on the NRA are just making excuses for not contributing. It's easy to find fault with anyone or any organization, but in the end, the NRA is helping us.

A lot of liberal @$$h0le$ who would gladly take away all your 2A rights and a lot more hate the NRA with a passion and blame them for everything. That alone is worth the price of a lifetime membership.

Just donated to CGF this morning, too.

[wolfwood]

Originally Posted by mattgogrrr

I've been considering whether or not to join the NRA, and just saw this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtGOQFf9VCE

This is an extremely violent call-to-arms against political theory where the NRA is just a political lobby organization promoting lawlessness and division among law-abiding American citizens. This ad is against everything that a responsible gun owner should be. If the NRA were to teach and protect its members about responsible gun ownership and not promote violence where conversations are important, then they might be a respectable organization.

Does the NRA love the 2nd Amendment and really hate the 1st Amendment?

Is the left not allowed to have the right to freedom of speech and peaceful protest?

Is "they" the majority of peaceful, law-abiding, American citizens?

Bro I was trolling 4chan back when .net was new. You are going to have to try better than this.

[vliberatore]

Originally Posted by 101st Airborne

IMHO the pro 2A people that rip on the NRA are just making excuses for not contributing. It's easy to find fault with anyone or any organization, but in the end, the NRA is helping us.

A lot of liberal @$$h0le$ who would gladly take away all your 2A rights and a lot more hate the NRA with a passion and blame them for everything. That alone is worth the price of a lifetime membership.

Just donated to CGF this morning, too.

I'm an NRA member who is critical of them when it is justified. The NRA is not perfect and it is absurd to claim that they are above critique.

The NRA can be helping the 2A and have a bad ad. It's quite alright.

[njineermike]

Originally Posted by digelectric

Totally. Every liberal I know runs around in ski masks and beats conservatives with bike locks. Daily.

Because that was obviously the implication made....

[digelectric]

Originally Posted by njineermike

Because that was obviously the implication made....

That is pretty close to what some of the people have implied. You should read more carefully.

[vliberatore]

Originally Posted by digelectric

That is pretty close to what some of the people have implied. You should read more carefully.

It's not. The post you replied to was about those with extreme end of the spectrum using violence against those they disagree with.

Claiming that the post you replied to is about all people on the left is a gross misrepresentation of the post.

[digelectric]

Originally Posted by vliberatore

It's not. The post you replied to was about those with extreme end of the spectrum using violence against those they disagree with.



Claiming that the post you replied to is about all people on the left is a gross misrepresentation of the post.

When an incident like that is used to justify general fear and anger towards liberals, and as justification for feeling the need to defend against liberals, it's doing exactly the opposite of what you're saying. My point was that a few incidents don't make all liberals violent and there is no pending civil war. It sounds like we agree on that.

[Garand Hunter]

Sounds like another shill for the anti gun left liberal socialists blah blah blah etc
etc. " Whats wrong with the NRA " ? What is wrong with the trolling shills
hating our 2nd Amendment right, uhhhh, some sort of deficiency between the
ears perhaps.

Psalm 1

[GoZoner]

The transcript: "They use their media to assassinate real news. They use their schools to teach children that their president is another Hitler. They use their movie stars and singers and comedy shows and award shows to repeat their narrative over and over again. And then they use their ex-president to endorse the resistance. All to make them march, make them protest, make them scream racism and sexism and xenophobia and homophobia. To smash windows, burn cars, shut down interstates and airports, bully and terrorize the law-abiding — until the only option left is for the police to do their jobs and stop the madness. And when that happens, they'll use it as an excuse for their outrage. The only way we stop this, the only way we save our country and our freedom, is to fight this violence of lies with the clenched fist of truth. I'm the National Rifle Association of America, and I'm freedom's safest place."

[CessnaDriver]

Ask yourself this OP....


Would you feel safe walking around Berkeley city public streets wearing a red MAGA hat?

Shouldn't you be?

Or hell any public street anywhere these days.

Now what about that video warning about the unhinged left????


One of them just attacked our elected officials, attacked our government as much as any terrorist has.
That guy wasn't certifiable, he WAS one of the unhinged left.

[randomBytes]

Originally Posted by digelectric

Or the vast majority who don't support violence at all.

Not according to pew research

[njineermike]

Originally Posted by digelectric

That is pretty close to what some of the people have implied. You should read more carefully.

You should take your own advice about reading more carefully. Absolutely no one said that. Any implication is strictly in yours.

[Citation650]

Originally Posted by CessnaDriver

Ask yourself this OP....


Would you feel safe walking around Berkeley city public streets wearing a red MAGA hat?

Shouldn't you be?

Or hell any public street anywhere these days.

Now what about that video warning about the unhinged left????


One of them just attacked our elected officials, attacked our government as much as any terrorist has.
That guy wasn't certifiable, he WAS one of the unhinged left.

Probably would. He's one of them.


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[digelectric]

Originally Posted by randomBytes

Not according to pew research

Thanks for that suggestion, you should actually read it. It doesn't support your statement at all. A vast majority dislike ISIS and a vast majority wish Muslim leaders would do more about extremists.

[IVC]

Originally Posted by digelectric

Agreed. But complacent doesn't equal violent.

The ad never implied it. Complacency matters only to the extent that those who are complacent identify with those in the video so they feel personally attacked.

[IVC]

Originally Posted by digelectric

No one is against us *personally*, they are simply arguing a policy that we disagree with and that I believe is misguided.

Originally Posted by CessnaDriver

Would you feel safe walking around Berkeley city public streets wearing a red MAGA hat?

Shouldn't you be?

Or hell any public street anywhere these days.

They DO hate us personally. They DO hate our culture and our unwillingness to conform to their "social norm" of disarmed society. They DO hate different opinions because different opinions contradict collectivism.

Ed Lee of San Francisco said: "We are a diverse city of progressives." Andrew Cuomo of New York said: "There is no place for us in New York." Here is a story from hard left Guardian...

Wishing it weren't so doesn't make it so. You need to open your eyes and see who is REALLY doing all of this...

[digelectric]

Originally Posted by IVC

The ad never implied it. Complacency matters only to the extent that those who are complacent identify with those in the video so they feel personally attacked.

I think you're mixing the issues now. You said most muslims are complacent and indirectly support violence. I'm not sure if you mean the people in the video are violent muslims but it doesn't look like it to me. It looks like westerners protesting.

[njineermike]

Originally Posted by digelectric

I think you're mixing the issues now. You said most muslims are complacent and indirectly support violence. I'm not sure if you mean the people in the video are violent muslims but it doesn't look like it to me. It looks like westerners protesting.

The person mixing issues is you. This entire conversation is based on the FACT that antifa is violently attacking otherwise peaceful groups, and the media is overwhelmingly silent. Leftists are attacking our ability to even have an opinion in both the media and in person. When was the last time AP/Reuters/etc ran a story condemning the blatant attacks on our civil rights? Yes, the 2A is a civil.right. It's not a hobby or an interest. It's a civil right, and it's under attack from government, the media, and in person.

You're either attempting to be a covert agent provocateur (and doing it poorly) or you have terrinle reading comprehension skills. I'm undecided at this point as to which camp you fall in.

[digelectric]

Originally Posted by IVC

They DO hate us personally. They DO hate our culture and our unwillingness to conform to their "social norm" of disarmed society. They DO hate different opinions because different opinions contradict collectivism.



Ed Lee of San Francisco said: "We are a diverse city of progressives." Andrew Cuomo of New York said: "There is no place for us in New York." Here is a story from hard left Guardian...



Wishing it weren't so doesn't make it so. You need to open your eyes and see who is REALLY doing all of this...

Who is "really" doing all of what?

We all know there are anti-2A forces out there but you seem to suggesting that something more sinister is happening.

[digelectric]

Originally Posted by CessnaDriver

Ask yourself this OP....


Would you feel safe walking around Berkeley city public streets wearing a red MAGA hat?

Shouldn't you be?

Or hell any public street anywhere these days.

Now what about that video warning about the unhinged left????


One of them just attacked our elected officials, attacked our government as much as any terrorist has.
That guy wasn't certifiable, he WAS one of the unhinged left.

But you're fine with Ted Nugent saying Obama can suck on the end of his machine gun? Sorry boys and girls but the rhetoric is over the top and makes things worse, not better.

[003]

OP, a quick question. Are you a gun owner? When was the last time you went to a range and/or did something to enjoy the shooting sports? Visit a gun show or a local gun store, etc.

Do you support California’s and Washington D.C’s approach to gun control, or do you believe that States like Arizona, Idaho and Alaska are more representative of American values?


I sincerely do hope to get an honest answer.

[C.W.M.V.]

Whole bunch of democrat sympathizers here.
The liberal, the democrat, the progressive ARE THE ENEMY.
Do not treat with them.
Do not break bread with them.
They have been planning to alter our republic to a communist state since at least the 40's. In the 60s and 70s they were fine with the idea of killing 25 million of us and re-educating the rest. Don't think they have changed their minds. They will continue their agenda if destroying the western world by political or violent means.
Why do you think they love the muzzies so much? Because they have a common goal of destroying the west.

We must prepare for the inevitable and we need to organize.
Remember that the democrat that would take your gun would take your children, your wife, and your life, without mercy.

[digelectric]

Originally Posted by njineermike

The person mixing issues is you. This entire conversation is based on the FACT that antifa is violently attacking otherwise peaceful groups, and the media is overwhelmingly silent. Leftists are attacking our ability to even have an opinion in both the media and in person. When was the last time AP/Reuters/etc ran a story condemning the blatant attacks on our civil rights? Yes, the 2A is a civil.right. It's not a hobby or an interest. It's a civil right, and it's under attack from government, the media, and in person.

You're either attempting to be a covert agent provocateur (and doing it poorly) or you have terrinle reading comprehension skills. I'm undecided at this point as to which camp you fall in.

You should probably take a really deep breath and realize that this is not what the topic is about. The topic is that the OP didn't like the ad. It's ok. Most of us here like the NRA. Most contribute. Disliking one ad doesn't change anything. It's all ok guys, we can support the 2A without invoking images of dark forces amassing a liberal orc army in Mordor and taking it too literally. Liberals have a political stance that we generally don't agree with on the 2A. I agree it's a civil right. I have no problem with the ad but I don't think we need to sink into feelings of paranoia and despair over liberals all being out to get us.

[Turtle777]

I was going to stay out of this one, because it's obvious that expressing anything "left" on Calguns makes you a crazy, dangerous, communist, snowflake. In my opinion, this is one of the biggest problems our country is facing. The left and the right are purposely trying to divide our nation for their own political gain, it's called getting votes. They do this my presenting biased news articles (think FOX vs. CNN) to their prospective audiences. The major media outlets in our country are all owned by billionaire corporate tycoons, who use their wealth too influence our corrupt (left and right) politicians. This is fact, not some crazy conspiracy, if you don't believe me it's because you have been sold to either side and refuse to think for yourself or admit you may be wrong.

First off, I love guns. All guns! And I do think that Ca. gun laws are anti 2A. I also believe that waiting periods are great and keep us all safe. I hate Donald Trump. Not because I'm a liberal (I'm not) but I clearly see that he is s manipulative, narcissistic, *** hole of a human being, who said and promised whatever he needed to do to get into the White House to propagate his own financial agendas. He doesn't give two craps about any of us. The liberals aren't sabotaging Trump, Trump is sabotaging Trump, and the Republican party. Yes, I know Hillary is a lying self absorbed politician with her own agenda too, but this is different folks.

My point is, that it's still ok to have your own personal beliefs, and not feel you have to join a side. You can be yourself and think for yourself, and not be a pawn in corporate American owned politics. Register as an independent voter, and vote for whoever you think will serve your community and your beliefs.

I love guns, and hate welfare sucking lazy *****s that blame their problems on anything but themselves. I hate being a "middle class" American living (almost) paycheck to paycheck because I have to give 30% of my money to the government, some of which enables the lazy to remain lazy. I don't mind paying my share for programs like police, fire, military, medical insurance and even welfare for the old and disabled (not the lazy), infrastructure, education, etc. But the middle class are the biggest pawns in the system. The mega rich basically write the tax laws to help themselves and the poor don't have to pay a fine.

I have no problem with gay marriage, I support renewable energy and believe climate change is the possibly the biggest problem we all face. I support law enforcement and think they are getting a bad wrap from a few idiot cops that slipped through the cracks, and by a media that continually sells this crap to a population that loves this crap. I support our military and veterans, but I think wet are wasting our time trying to fight this war the way we are. I support gay marriage (no, I'm married to woman but say what you will), I'm an atheist and not afraid to say it to anyone. I being to the NRA, but not because I necessarily support all of their motives, but because I'm an RSO and respect the education and training they provide, and the awareness they bring to gun safety. Let's face it, we have all been to the range and seen the idiot side shooting his new Glock 9mm and walking up to the bench while people are down range. In closing, try your best not to follow the masses, educate yourself, don't believe everything you hear on the tv, and respect that some folks don't fall into one of two sides. Happy Fourth of July to everybody, ESPECIALLY OUR VETERANS, and the OP.

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[digelectric]

Originally Posted by C.W.M.V.

Whole bunch of democrat sympathizers here.
The liberal, the democrat, the progressive ARE THE ENEMY.
Do not treat with them.
Do not break bread with them.
They have been planning to alter our republic to a communist state since at least the 40's. In the 60s and 70s they were fine with the idea of killing 25 million of us and re-educating the rest. Don't think they have changed their minds. They will continue their agenda if destroying the western world by political or violent means.
Why do you think they love the muzzies so much? Because they have a common goal of destroying the west.

We must prepare for the inevitable and we need to organize.
Remember that the democrat that would take your gun would take your children, your wife, and your life, without mercy.

Dude you need professional help. And soon.

[CessnaDriver]

Originally Posted by digelectric

But you're fine with Ted Nugent saying Obama can suck on the end of his machine gun? Sorry boys and girls but the rhetoric is over the top and makes things worse, not better.

HOW FRIGGIN LONG AGO WAS THAT!!!!!!!!!
Who acted on that?

Show me the violence or unhinged actions of right wingers over Obama's election that even come CLOSE to what the left today is doing?




No sir, no. We are seeing something quite new in the modern political era from the left. Again, a hate fueled unhinged lefty just went hunting for republicans and attacked our government. He wasn't talking to UFOs crazy. He was out there protesting right with them all. I saw his facebook before they pulled it. I'd seen similar content with tons of the exact same on hate filled leftists pages, quite comfortable with normalizing it and spreading it. Seems there were no limits shy of having the SS show up, and even then.



EDIT

And Huge Nuge recently said he's done with that kind of rhetoric. Will the left do the same? LOL NO WAY!

[digelectric]

Originally Posted by CessnaDriver

HOW FRIGGIN LONG AGO WAS THAT!!!!!!!!!

Who acted on that?



Show me the violence or unhinged actions of right wingers over Obama's election that even come CLOSE to what the left today is doing?

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...d-to-discredit

[kcbrown]

Originally Posted by digelectric

No one is against us *personally*, they are simply arguing a policy that we disagree with and that I believe is misguided. Some people are just afraid of guns. Like some women are afraid of spiders or others are terrified of heights. It's mostly irrational.

Irrational or not, what the people you're talking about are insisting upon is that we do not have the right to life.

They insist upon that because they insist that we do not have the right to successfully assert our right to life. And they insist upon that because the only way one asserts one's right to life is by preventing others from taking it.

The people in question insist that you do not have the right to sufficient means to successfully prevent someone else from taking your life.


I know of no assertion that can possibly make someone more against me than that, because their assertion is an assertion that I do not have the right to exist.


Oh, and lest you believe that the people you're talking about are against violence -- say that with a straight face after you realize that they are talking about forcibly disarming the population, i.e. making the population give up their means of self-defense at gunpoint, under threat of violence. No, these people aren't against violence in the slightest, except when said violence does not serve their purposes.