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I have a quick question. Please save me from "Search" hell if you have the answer.
I have a COE, so CA DOJ has my Live Scan prints on file. Do I have to get another Live Scan for the LTC application or am I good to go with what's already on file?
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You have to do it again.......however, your approval will come much quicker than most.
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We thought that getting 3,000+ people carrying in Sacramento was important enough to delay the case and force the changes. Maybe you differ. -Gene
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Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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Why is it that this initiative has died in the last 18 months? Your own analysis that you just put out shows how LTC's have slowed since this initiative died. You had a good thing going but now its almost dead. No explanation, CGF just disappeared. No more posts, no updates, nothing. Except 13 failed court cases and one that made pre emption invalid in San Mateo County. BTW that was a statute you challenged that wasn't even enforced until you decided to take them to court. Did you know that? Did you know that after your case lost, a bulletin was put out to all deputies that the no gun law in San Mateo county parks was to now be enforced? How do i know this? My Deputy buddies told me this. |
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Could you please show me the 13 supposed cases. You'll have to leave Silvester out because we're winning that. You'll also have to leave out all the prosecutions we got dropped. Also, maybe you missed the statistics update showing that quite a few counties we've been involved with have had significant increases in license issuance. Or maybe you're just a hater. -Gene
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Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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Isn't it fair to say that the Obama administration also created a panic that also enlightened citizens to go out and get their license. More guns sales/ more people interested in carry? I looked at the stats. I don't see how in two years CGF who primarily used CGN as a communication tool could have gotten 30,000 CCW's. Many don't even know who CGF is. Point is, if you would stop embellishing your story, it would be easier to follow. Accountability goes a long way. People are smarter than you think. It sure would be nice if you came back to earth and simply were honest about what is really going on instead of burying you heads in the sand and disappearing from the one forum that got you to where you were 18 months ago. CGF posts barely get noticed on this forum any more. You had a great thing going then you.... Well, i don't know what you guys did. Not a hater, not a troll, just calling it like i see it. If i'm wrong, help me to see it the right way. |
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-Gene
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Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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I certainly applaud the pro-active nature of CGF! It just seems like you want to take credit for the whole thing and not give credit to other parts of the equation. (incoming sheriff was pro-2A already) I think you are well aware that this sheriff could change his mind if he wanted to or a new sheriff could shut the whole operation down too. I think this back and forth stuff on this forum convolutes and exacerbates our opinions Last edited by taperxz; 01-15-2014 at 11:19 AM.. |
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Second, the incoming and now current Sac Sheriff took more convincing than you think. A CGF volunteer - who refuses to be talked about - did the heavy political lifting. It burns when people who aren't close to the issues don't understand the fact that that volunteer can not be quoted and due to the ongoing case/controversy we can't publish privileged exchanges with the County - but at least those are alluded to in the blog post I made earlier. When Richards is over, I'll happily share written proof of CGF and SAF's role in turning Sacramento virtually shall issue. But going back to point 1, you have no idea how hard people disbelieved that Sac was VSI until they then started to tell us that we had no involvement in creating that. Gun owners have some difficulty getting over old wives' tales. -Gene
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Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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Gene and his lies
Ah, so you can prove you made Sac increase issuance, except that you can't because it's all hush hush/secret. Please, how stupid do you think people are?
If you had done ANYTHING in Sac, there would be a binding settlement.
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Please explain this document: http://www.archive.org/download/gov....91626.42.1.pdf The relevant quote is: Quote:
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Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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Are you saying there is a binding settlement? I see nothing in that quote that suggests as much.
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-Gene
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Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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Well I though it was pretty clearly implied, but I meant anything productive. Patting yourself on the back and saying "Derp, I filed a lawsuit, der derp" doesn't count.
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My posts may contain general information related to the law, however, THEY ARE NOT LEGAL ADVICE AND I AM NOT A LAWYER. I recommend you consult a lawyer if you want legal advice. No attorney-client or confidential relationship exists or will be formed between myself and any other person on the basis of these posts. Pronouns I may use (such as "you" and "your") do NOT refer to any particular person under any circumstance. |
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-Gene
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Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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You taking credit for something you didn't do isn't productive. Those issuances came about as a result of a pro-CCW sheriff being elected, not a CGF lawsuit. Same old tricks Gene, don't you have anything new to try?
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For that matter, name me any group who has gotten a county in California to go VSI except CGF. It is you who have only one trick. What I don't get is why after getting swatted and having this community get your back and then getting overcharged by counsel you got so warped. Is it stockholm syndrome? -Gene
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Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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Gene you can keep spinning and attacking but at the end of the day the truth is Sac changed because someone new was elected who was pro-CCW. If the next Sheriff elected is anti-CCW it will change right back because there is absolutely no legal restriction in place. Your lawsuit did nothing except trick people into giving you money. I owe this community, which is why I'll continue to call out artists like you.
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However, my experience is that when a volunteer sticks their neck out to help in other counties and actually gets results, they seem to get thrown by the wayside and told that their accomplishments were not important to the cause. I look forward to hearing about the SAC volunteer. People that makes reference letters disappear and convincing a Sheriff to issue for "self defense" isn't a big deal. Your minions may have been committed to SAC and a few other counties but the rest of the state is still waiting and was told to me that CGF doesn't have the time for such things any more. |
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If anyone wants to take a break from this little dispute and help me out with a legitimate question, then that would be greatly appreciated.
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"If anyone wants to take a break from this little dispute and help me out with a legitimate question, then that would be greatly appreciated. "
You may proceed Kdub. |
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YES! HURRAH! The new Sac Sheriff office staff have opened up the CCW calendar of appointments again. I set my initial application appointment choice for the first week of February. Hope all flows well and I receive the final permit by July or August. Good luck to everyone else seeking their ccw....exercise your right...remember it IS your right to keep and bear arms. In my view the proper training afforded by the ccw process makes you a 'well-regulated militia...' -member. The proper training is what helps assure the safe possession and bearing of any firearm especially when outside the home. The permit process does not treat that right as a mere privilege but rather assures that the exercise of that right is...as the second ammendment states ...'well-regulated'. I wish to thank Sacramento Sheriff Jones for making this possible and not using the office to block access to ccw permits by unprohibited persons.
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I don't see any significant reason why SSD wouldn't want to open this back up, other than lack of staffing. I know you're pretty tied of hearing the staffing excuse, but it seems logical. Now that they've moved in to the new place, they'll settle in, maybe hire more personnel, and open modifications back up. I'm assuming on of the primary duties of that site will be to handle CCW applications... Otherwise they could have implemented a temp location at the Florin location (where live scan is done). If truly urgent you could contact ccw office email and see what they can do if you "renew" you permit earlier than needed. Of course you pay the consequence of "lost" time on the permit, paying re-qualification course, DOJ fees, and SSD fees Otherwise I know it's easier said than done... But be patient. Good luck. sent by the Nexus4 |
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Just got my permit today. Initial appt was in October.
The new office is nice. They were training new people as well so it looks like they will be able to handle an increased volume of applicants. Still no weapons mods on your permit at this time. |
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Got this today, don't know how long before appointments will be back up.
Special Investigations/Intelligence Bureau Concealed Weapons Permit Information We’re sorry there are currently no available appointments for new applicants. We will keep your contact information on file and notify you via e-mail when additional appointments are published. |
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Plug in your info and go to the end.....both of my appts were snagged when the front page said there were none. Check twice a day.
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Luckily he did. Results aren't trickery. Trollish behaviour that doesn't work to advance people getting guns or licenses is spin. -Gene
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Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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No. I don't think so.
I read a lot of posts and gained great insight from the folks on here. Thank you again! If you want an appointment. You have to go and get it. If I had just sat around and waited to get a courtesy email as to the openings of new application appointments, I would certainly still be waiting! And if I waited for more issuance appointments, I'd get one. But not probably until at least April. I received my initial appointment, and got an issuance appointment last week because of persistence. There are cancellations and probably a few new appointments thrown in there all the time. Gotta fish for em! |
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Here is what the schedule appears for appointments, at least for March:
Issuance - Monday and Wednesday, all day long Renewals - Tuesday and Thursday, all day long Address modifications - Monday, afternoons |
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