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Where did you go to get approved? Santa Ana PD?

I always thought the Issuing agency did the live scan.
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Heres a list of approved Live scan places in OC:

https://oag.ca.gov/fingerprints/locations?county=Orange

and this from the OCSD web sight:

http://www.ocsd.org/civicax/filebank...x?BlobID=39679
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Curious why you picked an M&P .40?
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Why not the 9mm? Easier too shoot in a compact gun and adds +1 round.
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So on your initial interview date your investigator told you you're approved and to start your live scan? No good cause needed? No conditional approval?

Are you a LEO because you mentioned you're going to look into the M&P 40 as they're off roster'd, then again if you're a LEO you wouldn't need to get approved from OCSD to conceal carry.

Are the OCSD doing something different now?

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My initial I bright photos and police reports of a self defense case I was involved in as a juvenile. They immediately approved me and the 40 is on roster
So you were approved before the live scan and the background check? Or did they approve you to continue with the process?
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They must have sped up their process because here is my timeline:

Day 0: Submitted request for interview
Day 0: (an hour later) Received interview date (6 months out)
Day 191: Went to interview
Day 196: Since my CCW firearm was not registered I had to submit a DOJ Intra-Familiar Transfer form
Day 213: LiveScan fingerprinting
Day 213: Submitted all supporting documentation that was requested from initial interview
Day 233: Received conditional approval
Day 237: Completed the required training and qualification
Day 238: Submitted training certificate and qualification form
Day 252: Still no word on the Intra-Familiar transfer. OCSD (and my CCW) is stuck until it is cleared
Day 262: Purchased what is to be my EDC (not the original one with which I qual'ed). DROS started
Day 272: Pickup up new firearm and CCW-qualified with it
Day 273: Submitted new qualified paperwork for new firearm and asked that this new one be on the CCW and not the original firearm (since it is still being cleared)
Day 275: Received final appointment to pick up CCW license (with only second firearm on it)
Day 280: Picked up CCW license


Total time:
  • 280 days
  • 9 months, 7 days
  • 40 weeks
  • 76.71% of a year

This all happened here in OC fairly recently.
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Most comfortable fit for my hand. Anything G19 size and bigger is too large for me to comfortably conceal.
Have you ever shot one in 40? Are you accurate with it?

You should also weigh other factors than just comfort when you decide your carry weapon.
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I was about to purchase my firearm and someone told me that I have to wait until the Sheriff sends me a letter saying that I've been approved, only until then can I take the training and I have to do it within a 30 day window. Then an instructor told me that's not true, I will not be receiving a letter. What the hell is going on? I'm going to call the sheriff tomorrow and ask. I had 3 people tell me 3 completely different things. I know, only trust the issuing department for information, but they're closed for the weekend. Glad it came up! Thanks for everyone's help. Cop told me last year it was taking up to 9 months to get the actual CCW card, but this year it's only about 2 months from the initial. Said to get the training and lives can done ASAP so nothing gets delayed. I did the livescan the same day of the interview
After OCSD receive your livescan results, if cleared, you will receive an conditionally approval email to move on with training. Some people take the risk and do the training before receiving the conditional approval email. If you were some how denied, you're now out $200+ dollars. Also the training is only valid for 6 months, so if your livescan somehow took longer than that or other delays, well then you're also out of luck.

For my initial CCW and renewal, I waited for the conditional approval email before moving forward with training.
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Purchasing a firearm is always a good thing. Nothing wrong about it. You can even do you're training before hand if you like. But just know that if you get denied, you will NOT get reimbursed what ever fee you've put thru to get as far as you've got (gun, live scan and training). Some people wait till they get the conditional approval to proceed w training (least that's what I did) some do it before hand taking a risk whether or not they get approved.

Now, I'm pretty sure when you went into the initial interview your investigator probably mentioned this,
1. Everything looks good! Start your live scan if you haven't already
2. If we have any further questions, we will contact you, but if you haven't already started your live scan please do so!
3. Have you started your live scan?

Noticed how live scan pops up on almost all points?? They will most like not approve you w/out a live scan. Also, they can not approve you on the initial interview because they'll need to do a residence check as well.

It's not the interview who does the approvals. It goes up the chain of command. They (investigator, deputy's, interviewer) are there to only gather your package so they can submit for final approval. When your live scan returns, residency check is complete and egood cause is sufficient... you will then receive a conditional approval thru email stating, if you haven't already done your training to get it done and submit it.
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Hello, I went to the Santa Ana office today and got approved to carry. Now I need to get a livescan, purchase the firearm I had in mind, and get my training. The interviewing officer was very helpful, he also said the time now from your initial appointment to when you get the card is approximately two months. Going to a gunshow tomorrow to look for M&P 40 cals.

Where is the best place for a livescan? Any pointers on the order I handle this stuff? The officer wanted me to get it done as soon as possible and email him my confirmations so it does not delay the process.
You weren't approved "approved to carry", you weren't even conditionally approved. You were just told to get your Livescan. The interviewer was confident your Good Cause is ok so that's why he said to get Livescanned.
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What is your shooting background / History?

Have you ever had a formal class on-
Marksmanship
Shooting from concealment
Shooting from a holster
Etc


Most modern pistols operate reliably.

Some are easy to shoot, say glock 17/19 and some are difficult to shoot, say Ruger LC9 or snub nose revolver.



So find a gun you shoot well and buy a few to keep-
Home
Car
Person
Work?

Based upon your shooting skills, the best value if you want training is front sight.. lots of threads on the pro and cons of the place... but for $200 or less you can buy a lifetime membership....
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Perfect, that was what I was assuming. The officer told me my good cause was golden and that there should not be any issues. He did mention the live scan repeatedly so I got it done the same day. I believe the lady said it takes about two weeks for it to process? For the residency check, the officer shows up at your house correct? Does he poke around?
Live scan is coming back within a month. My live scan was completed and returned in about 2 1/2 to 3 weeks. Email or call them after the 3rd/4th week and ask about your status.

As for residency check they come 2/3 times (my guess only). I don't know how many attempt they make before they go knocking on your neighbors doors. As long as someone's home to verify you live there you're good. You don't physically have to be there. They want to confirm you do in fact reside in OC. From what I know they don't poke around. Your live scan is all they need to poke around with.
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Live scan is coming back within a month. My live scan was completed and returned in about 2 1/2 to 3 weeks. Email or call them after the 3rd/4th week and ask about your status.

As for residency check they come 2/3 times (my guess only). I don't know how many attempt they make before they go knocking on your neighbors doors. As long as someone's home to verify you live there you're good. You don't physically have to be there. They want to confirm you do in fact reside in OC. From what I know they don't poke around. Your live scan is all they need to poke around with.
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Live scan is coming back within a month. My live scan was completed and returned in about 2 1/2 to 3 weeks. Email or call them after the 3rd/4th week and ask about your status.
My LiveScan only took 20 days, so from what I understand, it's gotten better.

I don't know if having Secret government clearance helps, but I had it.
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My initial I bright photos and police reports of a self defense case I was involved in as a juvenile. They immediately approved me and the 40 is on roster
You mean the M&P Shield 40, right?

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My LiveScan only took 20 days, so from what I understand, it's gotten better.

I don't know if having Secret government clearance helps, but I had it.
I agree, it's gotten a lot better! No more 9-12 months wait.

As far as clearance goes, it probably doesn't. I have a buddy going through the process as well and also holds a gov. clearance. His was just as long as mine. 2-3 weeks for live scan to return. My bro and his wife both got theirs within 2-3 weeks as well. They've already picked up their permit last week. It was roughly 2 months for them.
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Congrats OP. When will you start carrying?
Your process was different than mine but good luck and be safe.
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Get a good belt. You can NOT buy a belt in a dept store that will work properly. I recommend https://www.hanksbelts.com/
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I am having a lot of enjoyment with my KORE belt

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Congrats OP. When will you start carrying?
Your process was different than mine but good luck and be safe.
Roughly 2 months from now
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My initial was Friday, today is Monday. Officer just came to verify my residence
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I am confused, I thought Livescan was required prior to "conditional approval ".
Are you sure that you were not just approved to proceed with the application process after the initial interview?
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Today marks two weeks since I did the livescan, and the CA and FBI are still in process! Hopefully it will be done next week, I missed out on an M&P sale Turner's had last Thursday
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Today marks two weeks since I did the livescan, and the CA and FBI are still in process! Hopefully it will be done next week, I missed out on an M&P sale Turner's had last Thursday

You can still buy a firearm while waiting.

In addition to the first gun I put on my application, while I was waiting for my license, I bought another one and filled-out a CCW addendum to have it added to my license (which wasn't completed at the time).
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You can still buy a firearm while waiting.

In addition to the first gun I put on my application, while I was waiting for my license, I bought another one and filled-out a CCW addendum to have it added to my license (which wasn't completed at the time).
Out of curiosity, I have an 8" Classic DX S&W 629 .44 revolver, am I able to add it to my CCW? Or are there caliber restrictions in CA?

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Out of curiosity, I have an 8" Classic DX S&W 629 .44 revolver, am I able to add it to my CCW? Or are there caliber restrictions in CA?
Nothing at the state level.

Your IA may have restrictions... San Bernardino only allows .25acp to .45, so the .44mag, or .454 Casull would be okay.

That said, my instructor said that he's only had three men qualify with the big magnums... we're limited to 3 guns so I would not "waste" a slot with that gun unless you spend a lot of time hiking in the mountains where the concealment would be under a heavy jacket.
OC now allows 5, so I might feel differently.
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+1 on the Shield 9mm.
That's been my EDC for over a year now.
Easy to conceal, accurate, light, and not too snappy.

The G26 (and G19) is nicer, but the thickness makes concealment a bit more touchy.
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Re-think the 40 Shield. I've got one, since I have other subcompact 9mm. It's not a good mix with premium defensive ammo. MANY friends & family of mine have the 9mm Shield, and it's a fine little pistol. As it sounds like you don't shoot a lot, having a more user friendly carry gun is going to be important.

My FIL has had a Performance Center 44 Mag Hunter on his paperwork for 15 years. Totally up to the IA what they allow.
How did you know?? Ever since I moved to this state I've been focused on other hobbies... I was ALWAYS a .45 guy, and all my CA friends shoot .40. The only reason I'm interested in .40 is because they shoot it, so ammo will be plentiful. I've never shut a .40 before, I used to despise them. I'd prefer a Sig, but everything that compares to the size of the MP 40 is a .380! Maybe I should look into a compact Glock .45?
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How did you know?? Ever since I moved to this state I've been focused on other hobbies... I was ALWAYS a .45 guy, and all my CA friends shoot .40. The only reason I'm interested in .40 is because they shoot it, so ammo will be plentiful. I've never shut a .40 before, I used to despise them. I'd prefer a Sig, but everything that compares to the size of the MP 40 is a .380! Maybe I should look into a compact Glock .45?
The Glock 36?

I have one on my permit. It is virtually identical in size to the G26, but it's only 6+1.
When I renew in December it will be replaced with the G30. Only a bit thicker, but 10+1, or 9+1 with the short mags.

Here's some comparisons for you.

Glock 19, Shield, Kahr P380




Top to bottom, G26, G36, G30



G26 vs G36



Top to bottom, G30, G36, and G26.
The G30 has the 10rd mag, the mag is flush with the rear step using the 9rd mag:

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A just gov't will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just gov't. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.
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Live scan going on over two weeks now, the website says it only takes 48-74 hours. What is going on? When I call the automated line the machine rarely understands my submission. How long did it take y'all?


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Sweet comparisons, thank you. I'm weary of Glocks for CCW because the trigger is about as bad as a double action revolver for me.

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Sweet comparisons, thank you. I'm weary of Glocks for CCW because the trigger is about as bad as a double action revolver for me.
Get used to it.

CCW qualification does not generally allow for using a single action on revolvers, and on semi-automatics, they frown on (or flat out don't allow) anything lighter than 3-4 pounds.

Factory Glock trigger pull us right around 5.5 and pretty consistent. Shield is up around 7, but again, once the gun is broken in it smooths out nicely.

You don't WANT a "hair trigger" in a defensive situation. Your adrenaline is going to be pumping, your heart racing, your hands shaking, and your fine motor skills are going to be out the window.

A competition level trigger would quite possibly result in a premature firing when you slip your finger into the trigger guard.
When SHTF you are going to squeeze that grip like your life depends on it.
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A just gov't will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just gov't. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.
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Highly recommend the shield in 9MM...my EDC and shoots like a BIG gun.
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