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Old 07-23-2016, 8:34 PM
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Unhappy What not to do if you have a CCW . . . .

Dude starts a roadrage fight, gets his azz kicked, then pulls a gun on the azz-whoopers.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=26c_1364239268

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Edit: Wifeepoo/girlfriend gives him a gun to pull on azz-whoopers.

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Old 07-23-2016, 8:45 PM
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Whoa!!! What an idiot.
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Old 07-23-2016, 8:54 PM
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thats a old one. came out a year or more ago.
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He started the fight and then resorted to his gun when he was getting whooped.

Like a wise man once said "Any fight you get into when carrying a gun, is a gun fight".
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I like the white pants. Weird - I heard the shot at a moment where it looked like he was pulling the gun out. Sound not matching up with the picture?
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I hardly even honk my horn at someone on their cell phone after the light turns green. Even then, it's a polite beep beep after 5 seconds of green.

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although I agree with all the notes about de-escalation, it was 2 of them on only one of him. He didn't pull his gun at first it was only after he was getting beat up by 2 men. What is up with 2 guys fighting one? That isn't fair. I hope the gun owner gets a firm reprimand but really nothing else is warranted here. Would I have acted that way? No, but still.
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although I agree with all the notes about de-escalation, it was 2 of them on only one of him. He didn't pull his gun at first it was only after he was getting beat up by 2 men. What is up with 2 guys fighting one? That isn't fair. I hope the gun owner gets a firm reprimand but really nothing else is warranted here. Would I have acted that way? No, but still.
He looked like a jackass to me. Aggressive, confrontational, threw the first punch then had to be bailed out by someone who handed him a gun after he got taken out behind the woodshed.

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Dude starts a roadrage fight, gets his azz kicked, then pulls a gun on the azz-whoopers.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=26c_1364239268

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=26c_1364239268


Edit: Wifeepoo/girlfriend gives him a gun to pull on azz-whoopers.
Interesting scenario.

Two were beating on one. And they were really starting to injure him.

Defense would be that he started to fear for his life. Glad that he did not shoot them but tried to eliminate the threat.

Problem is that, as aggressor, he started the altercation with his punch (a battery) but with the defense they reacted with unreasonable and excessive force. But he might've been better off not discharging the weapon.

Guy should face the music, he would probably be acquitted (but not for battery) under these circumstances, or DA might decline to prosecute. Definitely a triable case should prosecution go forward on more serious charges.

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Two were beating on one. And they were really starting to injure him.

Defense would be that he started to fear for his life. Glad that he did not shoot them but tried to eliminate the threat.

Problem is that he started the altercation with his punch but further defense they reacted with unreasonable and excessive force.

Guy should face the music, he would probably be acquitted under these circumstances, or DA might decline to prosecute.
I'm thinking he's in a heap of trouble. Obviously, there was a firearm in his vehicle. He should've toned it down a notch.
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I'm thinking he's in a heap of trouble. Obviously, there was a firearm in his vehicle. He should've toned it down a notch.
Nah, disagree as stated, above.

Probably lawful to carry concealed in his vehicle. After all, it's NC.

In any event, that firearm saved him, possibly saved his life. He would say that he fired it not to shoot them but to let them know that he meant business and to remove the threat.

He will, though, be convicted of battery for throwing the first punch.

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Nah, disagree as stated, above.

Probably lawful to carry concealed in his vehicle. After all, it's NC.

In any event, that firearm saved him, possibly saved him his life.
That isn't the point, nor is it relevant.

Starting a physical altercation when you're armed doesn't sound like the smartest thing to do.

Were there any charges filed, and if so, what was the final result?
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My points are totally relevant. And read all about it on the Live Leak link. Good day, sir!

Check up on the rules of self defense here. They are probably similar there with respect to changing of the actor as aggressor. 'Dem punks became the aggressors when they chose to use excessive, unreasonable force on the original aggressor.

Both of them should also be charged with battery.

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You keep editing your posts.

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This video is from 2013 and was discussed pretty heavily back when it happened.
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Maybe I missed something, but he wasn't "armed" when he walked up to the pickup. He became "armed" after being punched to the ground by two people. What would you say if the lady, fearing for her husband, got out and shot the attackers who were clearly beating her husband?
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My points are totally relevant. And read all about it on the Live Leak link. Good day, sir!

Check up on the rules of self defense here. They are probably similar there with respect to changing of the actor as aggressor. 'Dem punks became the aggressors when they chose to use excessive, unreasonable force on the original aggressor.

Both of them should also be charged with battery.
Read the link in the post below. Apparently he lost his sh*t and fired a few shots into an occupied dwelling before he decided to leave the scene.

Felony.

He earned himself a lifetime firearms ban.
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Maybe I missed something, but he wasn't "armed" when he walked up to the pickup. He became "armed" after being punched to the ground by two people. What would you say if the lady, fearing for her husband, got out and shot the attackers who were clearly beating her husband?
But he didn't just walk up to the pickup. He was verbally aggressive and took the first swing. He was the instigator, and he had a firearm in his car. Not exactly smart.

The "attackers" retreated after they whooped his *****. The threat was over for him, yet he advanced and pointed a weapon at them. What we don't see is him taking potshots.
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The "attackers" retreated after they whooped his *****. The threat was over for him, yet he advanced and pointed a weapon at them. What we don't see is him taking potshots.
Ummmm, No, the "attackers" only retreated after the wife came out pointing a GUN at them.
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Ummmm, No, the "attackers" only retreated after the wife came out pointing a GUN at them.
I didn't see her pointing a weapon at anyone in the video. I did see her hand it off to her husband
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I didn't see her pointing a weapon at anyone in the video. I did see her hand it off to her husband
It seems clear to me that they backed off the way they did because they saw the gun. You're correct that we can't see if it was pointed at them.... but I've seen enough fights to know these guys weren't "done"....and people in the middle of beating someone down don't start taking big steps back simultaneously for no reason. I'm confident they saw it in her hand as she was coming around the car or she was pointing it in their direction.
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It seems clear to me that they backed off the way they did because they saw the gun. You're correct that we can't see if it was pointed at them.... but I've seen enough fights to know these guys weren't "done"....and people in the middle of beating someone down don't start taking big steps back simultaneously for no reason. I'm confident they saw it in her hand as she was coming around the car or she was pointing it in their direction.
Dunno....once he goes down, they retreat. Not sure if they were even aware of a firearm.

Bottom line: he plead guilty to a felony.

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Deputies say what's not seen on the video is the husband firing several rounds into the pickup truck as he left.
This is the primary issue, not the wife or the fight. He was no longer in fear for his life when he was rolling out and decided to dump a few rounds into the truck with his wife and 4 year old daughter along for the ride. Anger management indeed.
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