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The Legal guy says yes you can but the bureaucrat says no? Don't need law anymore, we got our own personal feelings in charge. Vick
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That's my advantage also. The Raisuli
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I appreciate that Jerry Brown joined 34 California District Attorneys in writing a friend of the court brief supporting incorporation of the second amendment to the states. However, how far does he think that extends? In other words, are we limited, as the antigunners would have us believe, to the interior of our homes? Or, does he think that the second amendment extends beyond our front doors? That's the real question.
To date, I've heard a lot of politicians claim support for the second amendment, but they put a twist here, and a caveat there, and completely distort the original intent. We know what the framers of the Constitution meant, but even the Supreme court chose to limit their interpretation to the most minimum meaning, which still gives antigun politicians a wide latitude to continue to create more restrictive gun laws. I'm all for backing a politician who is willing to limit government control over me, but I really think that we can't take the word of any politician without comparing their past track record to what they're putting out for public consumption. The old saying, "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me", comes to mind. |
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Nevertheless, individual CGF board members do not give up their individual rights of free speech or political advocacy and can speak for themselves. Other 501(c)(3) orgs work the same way: the org "educates" but their staff may be separately politically active. Our opponents work the same way, and many other groups do too. Attacking us would be an attack on LCAV, Greenpeace, etc. In fact, CGF is suing the Attorney General on various ongoing matters. However, schizoid cognitive dissonance is useful to my mental health
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Do you have another comparison Brown vs. Poizner??? |
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Poizner gets my primary vote and support, but he hasn't a chance in hell. If he somehow wins the primary he has my vote in the general.
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I need more data on Poizner and can get it but want to wait for the primary to end first. Right now I think he's a mild long shot against Whitman.
-Gene
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Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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I am looking at the whole Whitman package ...and I see a RINO |
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Gene can't afford the reduction in compensation
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Bill Wiese San Jose, CA CGF Board Member / NRA Benefactor Life Member / CRPA life member
No postings of mine here, unless otherwise specifically noted, are to be construed as formal or informal positions of the Calguns.Net ownership, The Calguns Foundation, Inc. ("CGF"), the NRA, or my employer. No posts of mine on Calguns are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer. |
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I'm not attacking Gene or Bill, but to simply agree with them, because "they're the right people" without first researching something and formulating your own opinion is foolish. That's how we get into the holes we're in, by just taking someone elses word or opinion as gospel.
With that said, I do agree with them about Jerry Brown. Alas my vote will either be for Chelene Nightingale or Jerry Brown.
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Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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RINO would be an upgrade to that iron poodle. Shes a effing liberal in the ugliest sense except two issues.
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I would rather have my left testicle chewed off (lost the right one as a kid...) by a rabid taco bell dog then vote for moonbeam.
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I know that was intended as a humorous comment but I hope that you would be willing to serve if called upon. Somethings (many actually) are much more important than the compensation package.
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Apparently you would also rather have CGF spend tons of money retrieving your lost gun rights than vote for Moonbeam too.
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Nope, PCS'ing out of this state as soon as the DON says I can. And I am a NAtive San Diegan, but I have had enough. I am Florida bound as soon as this shore tour is up...
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Brown? Never
I'll never vote for Brown. He helped push the state down the steep slope it is now on. I wouldn't vote for Whitman either, but if that's what I have to do to keep Brown out, I will.
Jerry Brown will burn down what remains of the state and then dump it on the ash-heap of history. We can't continue down this road of irresponsible spending. It's simply not sustainable. If Brown wins, he will be the top Democrat of the state. Most of his fellow Dems in the state legislature are anti-2A and I believe they will put pressure on Brown and he will (all too willingly) bend. Once in, he will have nothing more to lose and will cash-in the last of his political capital.
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If you're not voting why are you even opining?
Brown has a track record of not bowing to Dem pressure on guns. -Gene
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Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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Open primaries might actually get some electable Republicans into the legislature.
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No postings of mine here, unless otherwise specifically noted, are to be construed as formal or informal positions of the Calguns.Net ownership, The Calguns Foundation, Inc. ("CGF"), the NRA, or my employer. No posts of mine on Calguns are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer. |
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California's screwed no matter what, so vote for Jerry Brown. Least we'll have our guns.
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I am voting gun rights 100% this year!
I am tired of choosing the compromise candidate that is OK guns but pro choice or pro life. I will be voting for Jerry Brown for one simple reason:
I would never own an OLL if Bill Lockyer was still Attorney General. That guy ran a Firearms Department with Brady spies in-bedded. Under Brown, that is all gone, and I have two OLLs and plan to buy a third. Thank you Jerry Brown.
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Whitman does not threaten anyone's gun rights.
Calif is a liberal state....that is why we are over our heads in debt and in fear of our 2A rights. Gerry Brown is a liberal dem that signed a brief that had ZERO effect except it gives cover to people who support ACORN, SEIU, ACLU, and all of the other dangerously stupid liberal ideas and policies. Brown voters are liberals and their protestations based on an amicus brief are not credible. |
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How are your gun sales on eBay doing? How are you enjoying paying for your gunbroker purchases with PayPal, or your CGF donations?
If you don't understand this there is little hope.
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Selling guns on ebay would be stupid. You know that. If that is all you have you are probably a lib. Hey, you're home, admit it and celebrate. You have us pro-constitution people out numbered.
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That not good enough for you either? Boy, have I some ocean front property in Nevada to sell you.
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Got any proof of the staff rumors? Oh wait, they're rumors. I think you believe that because you want it to be true so that you can try to convince people to vote for moonbeam, a left wing radical liberal democrat. You and he hide behind a brief that changed nothing. Didn't cost him a thing. Just a lib trying to stay on both sides of an issue. The libs are after your guns not conservatives. It is the same all over the country. Do you think the Brady bunch folks ever vote conservative? Are any openly anti gun people conservative? Any? Are you getting my point? I know you want to vote for a liberal, you're a Californian. Whitman is not taking away your rights. I don't want to ignore ebay, I want you to admit what a stupid argument that is. Selling guns on ebay would have made Whitman an idiot. Just try to imagine what that would be like. If I ran ebay I would not allow it. |
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Selling guns on EBay was never the question: many EBay auctions selling trivial gun parts and even holsters get held up or cancelled. People have to cover their Paypal transactions with phony descriptions for "machine parts" because "AR15 scope mount" kills the deal. If Meg Whitman weren't antigun, Ben Cannon wouldn't have had to start GunPal. Meg's campaign staff fraudulently tried to use NRA paraphernalia (caps with big logos, etc.) to try to create an inference of an NRA endorsement. She's an antigun POS. Meg doesn't own guns. Brown does. With a variety of indicators - not just the amicus brief for Chicago, but stopping an antigun brief from coming out in Heller - and restaffing DOJ BoF with nonpolitical folks who can discuss issues rationally without bringing Bradyite influence - several of us here believe Brown is much better on the issue. He's not a gunnie, but he understands what a right is and I believe he understands a lotta gun laws are BS. You're letting your other biases get in the way of gunrights thought processes.
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No postings of mine here, unless otherwise specifically noted, are to be construed as formal or informal positions of the Calguns.Net ownership, The Calguns Foundation, Inc. ("CGF"), the NRA, or my employer. No posts of mine on Calguns are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer. |
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I don't believe either candidate will try to eliminate our gun rights. There was a recent SCOTUS decision that has Chicago Dems (not the conservatives) in fits. The libs already control Sacramento. If we give them the governors office as well there will be no end to the nonsense. Microstamping and long gun registration any one? So.....the reason I quoted you is because you are right. Our gun rights are not at risk either way so my other biases are more important and I will never vote will the Bradys. |
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Uh, Arnold, a Republican, signed the Microstamping bill for California. Jerry Brown is not enforcing it, because of the patent issues. Meg being a Republican is no guarantee that bad gun bills are vetoed.
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I'm still not convinced Moonbeam be da' man.
I have zero confidence in a career democrat politician. I can't see sitting by the smoking hole of what will be the California economy, gun in hand saying, "Yay, we won !" Yes, I am afraid of Whitman's lack of commitment to our 2A rights but she is a business person and we are up to our eyeballs in a failing business. I am a free market proponent and I firmly believe if we can get government off our backs the American people and small business in particular can fix even this broken economy. I will have to vote for Whitman and I will have to appeal to the business women in her, that the support of the RKBA is also smart business. We will need a governor that will have the gumption to veto the crap the democratic legislature (that won't change) will send to his/her desk. On this point, I don't have confidence in Brown being able to resist the enormous pressure of his party. I know this is an unpopular perspective here, it's just my take and my .02. |
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Moonbat might have a pro-2nd Amendment record but he also has a very long record of out-of-control spending, raising taxes, extreme environmentalism, and support of a very leftist/socialist addenda.
This could be the end of the state. When the last man loses his job here please turn off the lights.
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Losing rights incrementally is not better. Just see what the Dems are now trying to do in Chicago. An effective ban is still a ban. voting with the Bradys makes you a Brady IMO. |
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Says the man with the Govenator as his avatar. That makes you a RINO.
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