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Old 09-29-2018, 9:10 PM
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Ahh, there's one answer while I was typing.

Okay, why do you believe her?

What evidence swayed your opinion?

What data did you use to arrive at this opinion?

Dr. Ford has a lot to lose and very little to gain by coming forward. She and her family have had to move out of their house because of death threats. She saw what happened to Anita Hill.

Dr. Ford passed a lie detector test.

Her testimony seemed honest and straightforward, in contrast to Kavanaugh's repeated emotional outbursts.

Brett Kavanaugh has a history of lying even under oath. Senators Leahy and Durbin accused him of lying to the Senate Judiciary Committee during his confirmation hearings in 2007. Kavanaugh also lied about his role in guiding one candidate for a judicial appointment and not knowing that documents he received were stolen from the Democrats.

Kavanaugh lied repeatedly to the committee on Thursday:

He lied about references in his yearbook about the terms "devil's triangle", "boof" and "ralph".

He lied by implying that he was of age to legally drink beer in Maryland.

He lied when he claimed that the four other people who Dr. Ford said were at the party "said it didn't happen" when the most any of the four have said is that they have no recollection either way.

Kavanaugh claimed that Mr. Judge gave a sworn statement saying it never happened. But in Judge’s letter to the Judiciary Committee, sent on September 18, he wrote that he has “no memory of this alleged incident,” does “not recall the party described,” and “never saw Brett act in the manner Dr. Ford describes.”

Kavanaugh refuses to take a lie detector test (or has already taken one and refused to release the results)

So here is a question for you. Kavanaugh was not on Trump's original list of possible supreme court nominees. He is not an accomplished lawyer. He has never tried a case in court. He is basically a political hack. His nomination is very polarizing. Why not pull the nomination and pick someone who supports the Second Amendment and has impeccable legal and personal credentials?
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[QUOTE=Doheny;22170369]Because I believe her, he’s nothing but a political operative and he showed he doesn’t have the temperament to be on the SCOTUS, let alone traffic court.

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And you base your opinion on what facts? Cause Dr. Ford said so? Please, give me a break!
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Dr. Ford has a lot to lose and very little to gain by coming forward. She and her family have had to move out of their house because of death threats. She saw what happened to Anita Hill.

Dr. Ford passed a lie detector test.

Her testimony seemed honest and straightforward, in contrast to Kavanaugh's repeated emotional outbursts.

Brett Kavanaugh has a history of lying even under oath. Senators Leahy and Durbin accused him of lying to the Senate Judiciary Committee during his confirmation hearings in 2007. Kavanaugh also lied about his role in guiding one candidate for a judicial appointment and not knowing that documents he received were stolen from the Democrats.

Kavanaugh lied repeatedly to the committee on Thursday:

He lied about references in his yearbook about the terms "devil's triangle", "boof" and "ralph".

He lied by implying that he was of age to legally drink beer in Maryland.

He lied when he claimed that the four other people who Dr. Ford said were at the party "said it didn't happen" when the most any of the four have said is that they have no recollection either way.

Kavanaugh claimed that Mr. Judge gave a sworn statement saying it never happened. But in Judge’s letter to the Judiciary Committee, sent on September 18, he wrote that he has “no memory of this alleged incident,” does “not recall the party described,” and “never saw Brett act in the manner Dr. Ford describes.”

Kavanaugh refuses to take a lie detector test (or has already taken one and refused to release the results)

So here is a question for you. Kavanaugh was not on Trump's original list of possible supreme court nominees. He is not an accomplished lawyer. He has never tried a case in court. He is basically a political hack. His nomination is very polarizing. Why not pull the nomination and pick someone who supports the Second Amendment and has impeccable legal and personal credentials?

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Dr. Ford has a lot to lose and very little to gain by coming forward. She and her family have had to move out of their house because of death threats. She saw what happened to Anita Hill.

Dr. Ford passed a lie detector test.
What were the questions?

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Her testimony seemed honest and straightforward, in contrast to Kavanaugh's repeated emotional outbursts.
SEEMED? So you're not sure regarding Dr Ford, but below you are sure Kavanaugh lied?

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Brett Kavanaugh has a history of lying even under oath. Senators Leahy and Durbin accused him of lying to the Senate Judiciary Committee during his confirmation hearings in 2007. Kavanaugh also lied about his role in guiding one candidate for a judicial appointment and not knowing that documents he received were stolen from the Democrats.

Kavanaugh lied repeatedly to the committee on Thursday:
LOL So far you are only expressing your own opinion and there is no proof whatsoever.

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He lied about references in his yearbook about the terms "devil's triangle", "boof" and "ralph".
LOL. No bias here.

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He lied by implying that he was of age to legally drink beer in Maryland.

He lied when he claimed that the four other people who Dr. Ford said were at the party "said it didn't happen" when the most any of the four have said is that they have no recollection either way.

Kavanaugh claimed that Mr. Judge gave a sworn statement saying it never happened. But in Judge’s letter to the Judiciary Committee, sent on September 18, he wrote that he has “no memory of this alleged incident,” does “not recall the party described,” and “never saw Brett act in the manner Dr. Ford describes.”

Kavanaugh refuses to take a lie detector test (or has already taken one and refused to release the results)

So here is a question for you. Kavanaugh was not on Trump's original list of possible supreme court nominees. He is not an accomplished lawyer. He has never tried a case in court. He is basically a political hack. His nomination is very polarizing. Why not pull the nomination and pick someone who supports the Second Amendment and has impeccable legal and personal credentials?
I think you forgot to put one item in your post. IMO
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Beats me, but I know what I saw. I also know the ABA had concerns about him before he became a judge. https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.0a68b6476a4c

Like I said, in my opinion he doesn't have the temperment.

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The aba is a poltical organization i left almost thirty years ago hecause they used my dues not to advocate for attorneys, but to beat the drum of abortion, which has nitning to do with the practice of law.

Your opinion about his temperment is worth what we paid forit.

How many trials have you watched?

How many judges have you know in your entire life?

My ignorant opinion about the best tool for a job i dont do it as worthless as yours.

And anyone declaring that she WAS sexually assaulted is foolish.

On this record, there is no way to know. Which i guess was the point of a nevertrumper academic recovering memories, wasnt it?
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Dr. Ford has a lot to lose and very little to gain by coming forward. She and her family have had to move out of their house because of death threats. She saw what happened to Anita Hill.

Dr. Ford passed a lie detector test.

Her testimony seemed honest and straightforward, in contrast to Kavanaugh's repeated emotional outbursts.

Brett Kavanaugh has a history of lying even under oath. Senators Leahy and Durbin accused him of lying to the Senate Judiciary Committee during his confirmation hearings in 2007. Kavanaugh also lied about his role in guiding one candidate for a judicial appointment and not knowing that documents he received were stolen from the Democrats.

Kavanaugh lied repeatedly to the committee on Thursday:

He lied about references in his yearbook about the terms "devil's triangle", "boof" and "ralph".

He lied by implying that he was of age to legally drink beer in Maryland.

He lied when he claimed that the four other people who Dr. Ford said were at the party "said it didn't happen" when the most any of the four have said is that they have no recollection either way.

Kavanaugh claimed that Mr. Judge gave a sworn statement saying it never happened. But in Judge’s letter to the Judiciary Committee, sent on September 18, he wrote that he has “no memory of this alleged incident,” does “not recall the party described,” and “never saw Brett act in the manner Dr. Ford describes.”

Kavanaugh refuses to take a lie detector test (or has already taken one and refused to release the results)

So here is a question for you. Kavanaugh was not on Trump's original list of possible supreme court nominees. He is not an accomplished lawyer. He has never tried a case in court. He is basically a political hack. His nomination is very polarizing. Why not pull the nomination and pick someone who supports the Second Amendment and has impeccable legal and personal credentials?

Bloviating the same B.S. over and over doesn't make it any more accurate.

If these Senators really believe these accusations against Kavanaugh, they should be moving to have him removed from his current position on the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, a court that is considered to be the second most important court in the country. In fact, if you and your ilk feel so strongly about this, you should be contacting your representatives and demanding it.

The simple truth is that this will not happen because everyone that matters knows that this is just a political con job and even if they stop Kavanaugh from being appointed to SCOTUS, that will be the last we hear of this because they really don't care about the allegation, it is just the means to an end.
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He lied when he claimed that the four other people who Dr. Ford said were at the party "said it didn't happen" when the most any of the four have said is that they have no recollection either way.

Kavanaugh claimed that Mr. Judge gave a sworn statement saying it never happened. But in Judge’s letter to the Judiciary Committee, sent on September 18, he wrote that he has “no memory of this alleged incident,” does “not recall the party described,” and “never saw Brett act in the manner Dr. Ford describes.”
This is quibbling over semantics. Unless the alleged witnesses have a time machine or omniscience it's the most they can say about the theoretical existence of a party in 1982.
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Dr. Ford has a lot to lose and very little to gain by coming forward. She and her family have had to move out of their house because of death threats. She saw what happened to Anita Hill.

Dr. Ford passed a lie detector test.

Her testimony seemed honest and straightforward, in contrast to Kavanaugh's repeated emotional outbursts.

Brett Kavanaugh has a history of lying even under oath. Senators Leahy and Durbin accused him of lying to the Senate Judiciary Committee during his confirmation hearings in 2007. Kavanaugh also lied about his role in guiding one candidate for a judicial appointment and not knowing that documents he received were stolen from the Democrats.

Kavanaugh lied repeatedly to the committee on Thursday:

He lied about references in his yearbook about the terms "devil's triangle", "boof" and "ralph".

He lied by implying that he was of age to legally drink beer in Maryland.

He lied when he claimed that the four other people who Dr. Ford said were at the party "said it didn't happen" when the most any of the four have said is that they have no recollection either way.

Kavanaugh claimed that Mr. Judge gave a sworn statement saying it never happened. But in Judge’s letter to the Judiciary Committee, sent on September 18, he wrote that he has “no memory of this alleged incident,” does “not recall the party described,” and “never saw Brett act in the manner Dr. Ford describes.”

Kavanaugh refuses to take a lie detector test (or has already taken one and refused to release the results)

So here is a question for you. Kavanaugh was not on Trump's original list of possible supreme court nominees. He is not an accomplished lawyer. He has never tried a case in court. He is basically a political hack. His nomination is very polarizing. Why not pull the nomination and pick someone who supports the Second Amendment and has impeccable legal and personal credentials?
You have the balls to return after the thrashing youve taken?

Like the idocy of claiming no SOL for rape, therefore attempted rape has not SOL.

WRONG. Also, it wasnt attempted rape. No prosecutor would charge this as attemoted rape.

And you continue to LIE, yes, lie about her motive. Shes a nevertrumper. Shes been photographed with a “not my president” sign at a rally and she posted that scalia types should be “outlawed”. Those are undeniable motives.

Stop posting.

Youre NEVER going to convice a single person that your side has merit, and lying aboht the facts isnt helping.

Kavanaugh does not have a “history”of lying, liar, but you have a histroy of falsely claimng it. One leftist douche interprets his testimony as a lie, and its an unconvincing, tortured tale. No charges, by the way

So, no, leftist, he doesnt have a histroy of lying, one guy accused him once. Get it right, liar.

Your desperate attempts to claim he lied thursday are a laugh. He didnt lie about yearbook entries, and you have no idea what those mewnt to him thirty years ago. Youve got some balls flatly declaring he is lying, particularly when you have no integrity.

Lie detectors are inadmissible. They say nothing, and have theballs to admit that even if he passed one, youd say it was taken by a fiendly, or anyone can pass one.

Transparently contrarian, dishonest. and leftist shills are not welcome here.
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Dr. Ford has a lot to lose and very little to gain by coming forward.
Her go-fund-me's are over $720k. If that's "very little to gain", sign me up.

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She saw what happened to Anita Hill.
Yeah, like her book deals, Speaking deals and fees ($30k-$50k for a couple hours???), the talk-show circuit

So very little to gain
But, #NeverTrump, amirite?
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^^^^^Kres, where's the ban hammer? This, whatever it is needs to go.
I disagree.

Let CarlosDanger stay.


Besides, CarlosDanger's own posts keep destroying any semblance
of credibility he may have had, also its exactly this kind of Ideological
Nonsense that helped get Trump elected in the first place, so Carlos's
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Also, they are absolutely Hilariously Wrong, to the point I have
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Burst into Laughter while reading his convoluted argle-bargle.

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Still think she's lying. I know two women who have been sexually assaulted. Both do not believe her at all. She's been so inconsistent with her story and her obvious cute girl play to the Democrat senators. Been in the entertainment industry to spot acting..
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Someone brought up lie detectors. Interesting what Kav said about them as a judge. Why is he afraid to take one if they're such useful tools?

ETA: What he previously said as a judge:

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As the Government notes, law enforcement agencies use polygraphs to test the credibility of witnesses and criminal defendants. Those agencies also use polygraphs to “screen applicants for security clearances so that they may be deemed suitable for work in critical law enforcement, defense, and intelligence collection roles.” Declaration of Alesia Y. Williams, Defense Intelligence Agency, Chief of FOIA Services Section, at Joint Appendix 226. In Morley v. CIA, we stated: “Background investigations conducted to assess an applicant’s qualification, such as … clearance and investigatory processes, inherently relate to law enforcement.” 508 F.3d 1108, 1128–29 (D.C.Cir.2007) (internal quotation marks omitted).

The Government has satisfactorily explained how polygraph examinations serve law enforcement purposes.
https://abovethelaw.com/2018/09/reme...ing-decisions/

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The IP Address that added republican senators' personal addresses and phone numbers to Wikipedia was traced back to Maxine Waters' office. Her Senior Legislative Assistant, Kathleen Sengstock, to be exact.

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That's what I don't understand how a few here are triggered for his attitude during the past hearing with Dr Ford. This was an accusation that has destroyed his name for life REGARDLESS whether the outcome shows he's innocent. Any person with a conscious would understand that.
And they attacked his family. If he didn't get upset you would be saying he has no feelings.


More important Answer me this.

IF Kavanaugh attacked her as claimed and traumatized her whole life as she claimed why did she date someone who looks just like him??? The Lady Prosecuter was one question away from asking her just that.


No sane person would date someone who reminded them daily of their attacker.

So either she is not sane or the attack didn't happen as described.
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Bigfoot has more evidence for his existence than Ford does for her incident.
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You know what makes Dr. Ford's claims and the other two woman's ones total BS? It's the fact that now that their supposed history is out in the open, NONE of them have filed a police report.

The police in Maryland have said repeatedly they are ready to investigate Kavanaugh if ANYONE actually comes forward to file a police report. Statute of limitations doesn't apply and any of them could potentially bring Kavanaugh up on charges should evidence or claims be corroborated. It's a tall order for sure, but what do they have to lose?

Oh, yeah, the fact that actually filling a police report and lying are a prosecutable offense. Saying half-remembered, half-concocted tripe to willing senators, when the procedural outcome of another FBI investigation (or worse leaking only to the press) where they can't disprove you and makes it safe to dish their dreck, isn't in of itself.

That's the bottom line: she's 100% sure Kavanaugh tried to assault her, yet she still won't make a criminal complaint.
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Her testimony was more believable than his. His refusal to give straight answers was telling.

Her testimony swayed my opinion, although I wasn’t keen on him before, based on what I had been reading.

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Data? Critical thinking? Research?

How could you come to that conclusion, after YOU watched the 31 hours and 1200 questions he responded to? Or did you? Idk, just a question..


Did you actually watch the 31 hours of his grilling/interview/testimony?
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Her testimony swayed my opinion, although I wasn’t keen on him before, based on what I had been reading.

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You are contradicting yourself. You assert that you employ critical thinking in which case you would take into account that all of the her witnesses have not confirmed her allegations and instead you find her more "believable." Believable does not fall into critical thinking category, some people can lie and still be believable. Your choice was made by emotion not critical thinking.
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Beats me, but I know what I saw. I also know the ABA had concerns about him before he became a judge. https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.0a68b6476a4c

Like I said, in my opinion he doesn't have the temperment.

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You know what makes Dr. Ford's claims and the other two woman's ones total BS? It's the fact that now that their supposed history is out in the open, NONE of them have filed a police report.

The police in Maryland have said repeatedly they are ready to investigate Kavanaugh if ANYONE actually comes forward to file a police report. Statute of limitations doesn't apply and any of them could potentially bring Kavanaugh up on charges should evidence or claims be corroborated. It's a tall order for sure, but what do they have to lose?

Oh, yeah, the fact that actually filling a police report and lying are a prosecutable offense. Saying half-remembered, half-concocted tripe to willing senators, when the procedural outcome of another FBI investigation (or worse leaking only to the press) where they can't disprove you and makes it safe to dish their dreck, isn't in of itself.

That's the bottom line: she's 100% sure Kavanaugh tried to assault her, yet she still won't make a criminal complaint.
I wouldn't put this outside the realm of possibility. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if she files the complaint right as the FBI wraps, and then the Dems will say it needs MORE time, although it shouldn't take the Montgomery police long to toss it when they're told to investigate a sexual assault with no forensics, no location, no time (summer 1982), and all witnesses REFUTE this even happening.
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You know what makes Dr. Ford's claims and the other two woman's ones total BS? It's the fact that now that their supposed history is out in the open, NONE of them have filed a police report.

The police in Maryland have said repeatedly they are ready to investigate Kavanaugh if ANYONE actually comes forward to file a police report. Statute of limitations doesn't apply and any of them could potentially bring Kavanaugh up on charges should evidence or claims be corroborated. It's a tall order for sure, but what do they have to lose?

Oh, yeah, the fact that actually filling a police report and lying are a prosecutable offense. Saying half-remembered, half-concocted tripe to willing senators, when the procedural outcome of another FBI investigation (or worse leaking only to the press) where they can't disprove you and makes it safe to dish their dreck, isn't in of itself.

That's the bottom line: she's 100% sure Kavanaugh tried to assault her, yet she still won't make a criminal complaint.
If the police in Maryland have REPEATEDLY said they are ready to investigate this would indicate to me they are too gung ho and would likely show extreme prejudice against Kavanaugh.
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If the police in Maryland have REPEATEDLY said they are ready to investigate this would indicate to me they are too gung ho and would likely show extreme prejudice against Kavanaugh.
That's disingenuous. They have been approached by news outlets and their statements taken. They finally released a letter from the Montgomery PD and State Atty. General on the matter, you can read it yourself:

http://www.mymcpnews.com/2018/09/28/...ett-kavanaugh/
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This is a long read but an detailed analysis of the many lies Brett Kavanaugh told in his testimony on Thursday and why Christine Ford was much more believable:

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What is the best way, then, to figure out the truth? It’s absolutely the case that Christine Ford has no eyewitnesses to support her. She cannot remember exactly where the assault happened, or exactly when. She can’t remember all the people who were at the house, and the people she does say were there have said they have no memory of the event. She told nobody about it at the time. Looking at these facts, we can see how someone strongly committed to due process might think the allegation extremely weak. (Just for the moment, let’s leave aside the two other serious sexual misconduct allegations against Kavanaugh.)

However, while these aspects of Ford’s allegation might lead us to demand more proof, they in no way make it inconceivable. In fact, they’re exactly what we might expect if the allegation were true. A girl attacked by two jocks at a party may not tell anybody, precisely because she knows there are no eyewitnesses, they’d back each other up, and even if there had been physical evidence they could never be convicted of anything. It’s not surprising that attendees other than Ford don’t remember this gathering; she says it was small and informal, and remembering who was at every small and informal gathering you were ever at in high school three decades ago is impossible. Ford (and the alleged perpetrators) is the only one it was a significant night for. So the lack of corroboration doesn’t itself make the allegation dubious, and if we demand eyewitnesses before believing victims, most of the time someone who did this would get away with it, because most of the time people are sexually violated in private. Of course there is a serious risk to the “believe all accusers” approach—it leads to wrongful convictions. But there is also a risk to a “never believe an uncorroborated charge” approach—it means that you can attack someone if you’re alone with them, and as long as you leave no marks, you’ll get away with it forever.

If we are taking an uncorroborated claim seriously, though, what does that mean for standards of proof? Much later in life, Ford told her therapist and husband, but at the end of the day we only have her word. If we were to base his guilt on her word alone, then wouldn’t people be able to make any kind of false allegation they liked?

Not quite. The existence of a “he said, she said” does not mean it’s impossible to figure out the truth. It means we have to examine what he said, and what she said, as closely as possible. If both parties speak with passion and clarity, but one of them says many inconsistent, evasive, irrational, and false things, while the other does not, then we actually have a very good indicator of which party is telling the truth. If a man claims to be innocent, but does things—like carefully manipulate words to avoid giving clear answers, or lie about the evidence—that you probably wouldn’t do if you were innocent, then testimony alone can substantially change our confidence in who to believe.

In this case, when we examine the testimony of Brett Kavanaugh and Christine Blasey Ford honestly, impartially, and carefully, it is impossible to escape the following conclusions:

Brett Kavanaugh is lying.
There is no good reason to believe that Christine Blasey Ford is lying. This does not mean that she is definitely telling the truth, but that there is nothing in what Kavanaugh said that in any way discredits her account.
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That's disingenuous. They have been approached by news outlets and their statements taken. They finally released a letter from the Montgomery PD and State Atty. General on the matter, you can read it yourself:

http://www.mymcpnews.com/2018/09/28/...ett-kavanaugh/
The governor and mayors of Maryland shouting out for a FULL investigation of Kavanaugh... They certainly would have been a nay vote..

A further investigation is NOT necessary..
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This is a long read but an detailed analysis of the many lies Brett Kavanaugh told in his testimony on Thursday and why Christine Ford was much more believable:
There are ABSOLUTELY reasons for her to lie. Political, monetary, some need for attention. In addition, she may be mistaken about what happened to her and how she remembered it.
People confess to murders they had nothing to do with (Jon Benet ramsey ring a bell).
So the fantasy that she has NOTHING to gain is absolutely ridiculous.
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So you are just like Doheny by disregarding the fact that none of her witnesses will collaborate her "believable" story.
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So you are just like Doheny by disregarding the fact that none of her witnesses will collaborate her "believable" story.
That is the entire crux of this situation. Her story is believable as long as you focus solely on Ford's claim and don't ask any questions. Once you look at the available evidence provided by the witnesses that she claims were there, or start asking FORD for more details, the believability of her story falls apart.
Of course those who want to believe her for political reasons refuse to acknowledge this because being honest is not in their purview.
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Derek Hunter’s piece is a good summary of what is at stake.

“Senator Flake, you were confronted on national television by two activists, both claiming to be rape survivors. Maria Gallagher and Ana Maria Archila gained national fame over the video of that confrontation, and both say they’ve never spoken about their experiences before. The testimony of Christine Blasey Ford gave them the strength, they said, to come forward. But they haven’t, at least as far as I’ve seen so far.

These women have an opportunity to tell their stories and hopefully get justice. I hope they do. And I hope journalists who’ve granted them hero status, follow up and air their stories so other women won’t risk being victimized by their attackers.

But they’re also dedicated liberal activists. There is no investigation, no piece of evidence (or lack thereof) that will change their opposition to Kavanaugh. If Dr. Ford herself held a press conference saying she’d had more memories recovered and she now realizes she was wrong about him, Archia and Gallagher will not then encourage you to vote your consciences.

The same people who’ve been threatening all of you and your staffs are the same people you’re hoping to placate. There is no process that ends with anything other than what they want that will quell this angry mob.

I know you don’t want to believe that, you’d prefer to believe there is some magical path forward that will please everyone. That doesn’t exist”

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That is the entire crux of this situation. Her story is believable as long as you focus solely on Ford's claim and don't ask any questions. Once you look at the available evidence provided by the witnesses that she claims were there, or start asking FORD for more details, the believability of her story falls apart.
Of course those who want to believe her for political reasons refuse to acknowledge this because being honest is not in their purview.
Actually her story and testimony are quite believable. If you actually read the article I posted it is Kavanaugh's defense which falls apart when you examine it. Kavanaugh is the one who is duplicitous and evasive. And yes I am aware your political beliefs preclude you from being honest and cause you to believe that Dr. Ford was drunk in spite of the fact you have no evidence from anybody that is the case.

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There are ABSOLUTELY reasons for her to lie. Political, monetary, some need for attention. In addition, she may be mistaken about what happened to her and how she remembered it.
People confess to murders they had nothing to do with (Jon Benet ramsey ring a bell).
So the fantasy that she has NOTHING to gain is absolutely ridiculous.
If you follow that line of reasoning then Kavanaugh has even more reason to lie, so your point is?
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Actually her story and testimony are quite believable. If you actually read the article I posted it is Kavanaugh's defense which falls apart when you examine it. Kavanaugh is the one who is duplicitous and evasive. And yes I am aware your political beliefs preclude you from being honest and cause you to believe that Dr. Ford was drunk in spite of the fact you have no evidence from anybody that is the case.



If you follow that line of reasoning then Kavanaugh has even more reason to lie, so your point is?
I can't see how her testimony is believable (that BK attempted to rape her), when there's no corroboration, she can't remember much of anything (other than BK attempted rape) and all other people mentioned don't back her up. You can say that with a straight face that you believe her when no other witnesses can corroborate, the accused has no pattern of doing this, he's been investigated repeatedly for security clearances and NOTHING comes up?

Sure, he does have a reason to lie if it happened(I don't know if it's any more or less than hers), but our glorious MSM keeps saying she has nothing to gain by lying. That's BS.
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Actually her story and testimony are quite believable. If you actually read the article I posted it is Kavanaugh's defense which falls apart when you examine it. Kavanaugh is the one who is duplicitous and evasive. And yes I am aware your political beliefs preclude you from being honest and cause you to believe that Dr. Ford was drunk in spite of the fact you have no evidence from anybody that is the case.
Once again, bloviating the same garbage over and over doesn't make it any more credible Mr Goebbels.

Kavanaugh doesn't need a defense for an event that the preponderance of evidence indicates never happened. In this country one is innocent until proven guilty. We don't live under a Fascist dictatorship or a Communist regime.
As far as Fords sobriety, there is more evidence to point that she was drunk at this event than there is that this party and event ever happened as she remembers it.


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Dr. Ford has a lot to lose and very little to gain by coming forward.
She had a tremendous amount to gain and she knew it. High-status victim is a very high status indeed. It means money, fame and power. I'm sure her gofundme will top $1mil if it hasn't already. Book deals and other contracts are a certainty. This could lead to power, too, such as setting her up for a run for a House seat, much like Carolyn McCarthy got her start after the 1993 Long Island shooting. (Of course the difference is that the Long Island shooting absolutely did happen, whereas this assault is just decades-only high school he-said she-said, unprovable, unfalsifiable.) She doesn't lose much. She has been forced out of her house only because she wanted to be, in the sense that she could easily hire whatever security she needs, and she needs to be in DC anyway. There's really no downside to her for this whole thing and a huge amount of benefit.

All this over a recovered memory of something that may or may not have happened nearly 40 decades ago while she was drunk.
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You want to get to the truth, let's have the FBI interview the man who introduced Ford to Kavanaugh. The man who looks just like him. The man who's house matches perfectly the layout she described in her testimony.

The man who's name she refused to say under oath. The man she admitted under oath she began dating shortly after the event. You know when her life was so traumatized she could not interact with men.

The man who looks just like her alleged attacker but who she then dated and remained friends with to this day.

I am not suggesting mistaken identity. I am suggesting he knows a whole lot more about what really happened as he was her friend and then lover at the time.

Let's see what he has to say. I bet that would make a good story.
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Once again, bloviating the same garbage over and over doesn't make it any more credible Mr Goebbels.

Kavanaugh doesn't need a defense for an event that the preponderance of evidence indicates never happened. In this country one is innocent until proven guilty. We don't live under a Fascist dictatorship or a Communist regime.
As far as Fords sobriety, there is more evidence to point that she was drunk at this event than there is that this party and event ever happened as she remembers it.


Hey, instead of using the alias of a sexual predator that is offensive to our female members, maybe you should ask Kes to change it to Mr Goebbels. It would be a more appropriate fit.
Aw, Skip, now you went and burst my bubble. I thought you were one of the shining lights of this forum. A person who could hold his own in a discussion or debate and didn't have to debase himself by resorting to name calling, and now you go and do this.

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