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No, I don't, but you do.
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It is very different since there is a system in place to check the background of a person, whereas there is NOT a system to determine how the seller got the firearm, as least not for the FFL. So please tell me why the law says that the FFL can not transfer it when it is clear that the FFL can't know? Quote:
In a related matter, you might want to consider sales tax issues. The CA FFL has to submit the correct sales tax amount. It does not matter if the receipt is not valid, if the BOE (now renamed) finds that it was false, the FFL still owes the correct amount. It does not matter that the FFL has no way of knowing, the FFL is still responsible. So tell me again how that when it is impossible to determine there can be no crime. Quote:
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In your world the FFL can never be convicted, so why worry about it, right? Quote:
Or you could do what you want to do and just stick your head in the sand, ignore it and claim that there is nothing that they can do.
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Jeezus. You have to much time in your hands lol
You know EXACTLY what I mean. We both have ver valid points. You just like to argue. I'm trying to solve a potential problem and you help nothing. I ask again, who's side are you on? |
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I assume that you mean what you say. You say that the FFL can never be convicted, which you say means that the FFL can never be charged, which is FALSE. This is not a valid point by you. You are trying to solve a problem? Really? By saying it isn't a possible problem??? You should ask yourself which side you are on since saying that it is nothing to worry about is not doing anyone any favors and certainly not helping anyone. As you say, YOU need a life.
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Kemasa. False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse. Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong. Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Oh, yes, I noticed you did not want to address the issues that I raised with what you said. Typical.
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Kemasa. False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse. Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong. Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Tell us all Kemasa. What are you going to do about this situation? In your infinite wisdom, what should gun store owners do to protect themselves from breaking this law when the potential to not know who the seller is or where they work?
Or are we destined for court? All of us. It's gonna happen to someone and it will happen when they couldn't have known. |
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Is it infinite stupidity to just claim it is not an issue? The first step is to be aware that it can be an issue, rather than ignoring it. I am not the one who claims to know everything, you are. You know that the FFL can not be charged, so there is nothing to worry about, so why are you asking me what should be done about something which is say is absolutely not a problem?
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Kemasa. False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse. Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong. Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein |
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That is funny since it is false, plus you didn't even try, you ignored every issue as I suspect you don't want to address any of them as it would harm your position.
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Kemasa. False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse. Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong. Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein |
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I said it would be tough for a DA to convict if there was no intent and no way to know the sellers emplyment status |
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When I get back from my ranch and am on a computer I can articulate what I'm saying easier |
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You are now saying that it would be tough to get a conviction, which is quite different than what you said before. It is also just your opinion that a conviction is unlikely, but if the DA shows the law, documents that the firearm was illegal to transfer, then do you really think that a jury won't convict? People get convicted based on breathalyzers. Do some research on that. The breath can give an indication of what the blood alcohol content is, but the machines use a general number to do the conversion, which is not accurate for everyone, yet people get convicted, in part because you are not allowed to bring up the issues with the machines. The same is true for radar guns and lidar (which calculates the speed based on the distance change). I recall hearing a case where the person was found guilty, but was a bogus case. Unfortunately I don't remember the details, but then again, it seems that you are saying such things never occur. I am glad you have faith in the so-called justice system. Remember that.
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Kemasa. False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse. Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong. Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Impossible? No. I have done it, but then again I have done the impossible numerous times, or so I have been told.
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Kemasa. False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse. Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong. Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein |
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I just don't want to take the effort while on vacation. In fact I wouldn't reply to you now except for the fact that the 49ers just plain suck |
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Ok.
LEO has an off roster handgun (that they bought USING THEIR EXEMPTION) and they PPT it to NON LEO. LEO has an off roster handgun (that they bought WITHOUT USING THEIR EXEMPTION) and they PPT it to NON LEO. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE ??? |
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Have a good vacation.
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Kemasa. False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse. Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong. Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein |
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If the LEO mentioned about is one of the newly added category with the limitation, then in the first case it is illegal to transfer and the second case it is not. That is the only difference. It is the government, it does not have to make sense. The wonderful politicians don't like people figuring out ways around their stupid and unconstitutional laws, so they keep trying to make changes to prevent it.
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Kemasa. False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse. Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong. Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein |
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I don’t think their is. That’s why they are tying to make the dealers enforce this law. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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No wonder your post counts are so high. . . .Both of you. . . . Sheesh!! Why not use PM's for your panty clumping. It would be the polite thing to do for the rest of us. . . .
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The state simply determined that it does not want the LEO exemption to be used to circumvent the roster.
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Nope, not the reason, but thank you for your interest. Feel free to ignore anything that you like. It is nice to know that you speak for everyone else. I guess I missed that election, but perhaps it was just in your mind and I prefer to stick with reality.
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Kemasa. False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse. Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong. Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Those who could in 2016 can still do so.
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8314 and counting. (It feels good pad my count a little) thanks for leading the way Kemasa. Please point me to the "ignore a user" button on Calguns. Many a thread could use a delousing.
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Your PPD is 0.34, whereas mine is 1.85. I suspect that I help people more than you do, which perhaps makes you jealous as you might not be able to answer questions or perhaps you just choose not to. If you can't find it, you can hire me as a consultant to assist you. I charge more for people who are clueless though, just a warning.
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Kemasa. False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse. Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong. Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein |
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LOL. Ok, OK, your unit can be bigger than mine if that's what you want. But for what it's worth, barfing all over threads or titty-tats because someone disagrees with you serves the thread no good and is a complete waste of time when someone is actually seeking information that is helpful. Good luck in that consulting career, you and the crickets can sing all you want. . . . . . . (oh look, my post count is rising now too)
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I might also point out that you bring up numbers, I point out that it is bogus and why, so then you have to respond with a stupid statement. As to the consulting, too bad you can't figure out how to block people, but based on your comments that is not unexpected, and it seems that when you can't figure things out, you are not bright enough to get assistance. How about you trying to sticking to the topic instead of trying to bash people?
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Kemasa. False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse. Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong. Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein Last edited by kemasa; 09-21-2017 at 9:34 AM.. |
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Couldn't help yourself could you (8319)
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You really need to look in the mirror. It is amazing that you are SO focused on my post count, as if it means something and I already told you I have been on this forum years longer than you. I don't pay attention to it, but it really seems to matter to you for some odd reason.
Add to that, you still can't stick to the topic and instead you want to attack me. Have I hurt you little feelings? Perhaps you need to go to a safe room until you feel better. Or is it that you are posting just to increase your post count in order to feel better about yourself? In either case it is really pathetic of you.
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Kemasa. False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse. Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong. Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Oh this one's going to be FUN to go through...
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Where's Rodney King when we need him??
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I can only find one person who is trying to up his post count without adding anything to this thread and, it's not kemasa or taperxz.
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