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Old 07-02-2017, 11:40 AM
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Nothing wrong with video, OP is a commie troll, The leftist commies are being led and paid by political and corporate fascists while they protest facism. The left will hang themselves............ They really are that ignorant.

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Just sent the NRA $125 in OPs name.
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Glad you got the money to burn - coulda bought some ammo for that..

OP is a troll/mole. an ingrate, too.
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Old 07-02-2017, 12:50 PM
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Disarmament does not equal death.
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We Don't Apologize For Telling the Truth

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Grant Stinchfield defends Dana Loesch's "Violence of Lies" NRA ad and blasts
the violent left and lying media who are demanding an apology for warning
America about chaos creators who are trying to impose their will upon our
country through violence and lies. It'll never happen, says Stinchfield, who
promises to stand firm with the clenched fist of truth.
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The Anti Gun, Dishonest, Agenda Driven, Mass Media will paint the NRA
and Gun Owners in a Negative Light
NO MATTER WHAT MESSAGE WE PRESENT.

The ideological "Battle Lines" have solidified, especially since the election.

Very few people seem to occupy "Neutral Ground" anymore.

California has been a One Party State for Decades, which is unlikely to
change due to the Propaganda spewed out by the Media & Democrat
Politicians, the Indoctrination taking place in Education System, and
the usage of the Entertainment Industry to push Anti Gun Propaganda.

And remember, the Left Leaning Media often refuse to accept NRA adds,
or insist on unacceptable editing of the ads. They have shown a outright
hostility to the 1st Amendment when it comes to Gun Rights and Free
Speech, as witnessed by recent events in Liberal Enclaves like Berkley.

Trying walking thru these Liberal areas wearing a Trump MAGA hat and you
risk being physically attacked for simply expressing your 1st Am Rights.


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Old 07-02-2017, 9:24 PM
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You're not really a gun owner are you? "Clenched fist of truth" is hardly an incitement to shoot any body but an incitement to use our First Amendment rights to protect our Second Amendment rights.

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I've been considering whether or not to join the NRA, and just saw this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtGOQFf9VCE

This is an extremely violent call-to-arms against political theory where the NRA is just a political lobby organization promoting lawlessness and division among law-abiding American citizens. This ad is against everything that a responsible gun owner should be. If the NRA were to teach and protect its members about responsible gun ownership and not promote violence where conversations are important, then they might be a respectable organization.

Does the NRA love the 2nd Amendment and really hate the 1st Amendment?

Is the left not allowed to have the right to freedom of speech and peaceful protest?

Is "they" the majority of peaceful, law-abiding, American citizens?
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Old 07-02-2017, 9:55 PM
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There is not a thing wrong with the NRA! They have been standing up for the people who join and stand with them AND with those who chose to own firearms and not join. I for one chose to join and stand up with them for the 2nd amendment rights that ALL get to live under. In fact, if you'll notice, I have made the total commitment to the cause and urge as many others with a strong patriotic sense of pride to do the same, for your children and grandkids, who will thank you when they still have the same rights as you did.
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The Dana Loesch ad was brilliant. The follow up ad by Grant Stinchfield, although also based totally in fact, unfortunately slid into the "just a bunch of angry white men" label the NRA is trying to change. An alternative would have been a second ad by Dana Loesch expanding on the original theme of truth, I (we) are not going away, and rebutting the NRA war on women mantra. A third ad by Colion Noir focused on the theme of truth and rebutting the racist smear tactics.

The Loesch ad clearly deeply scared the
Progs. It did scare them to their core, not over retaliatory violence, but the realization their "violent taking to the streets" tactic is backfiring. If you find a punch that is landing, keep throwing it (metaphorically or course).


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OP is a troll.

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Unfortunately with politics the way they are right now, it's pushing me more and more to become a single issue voter.- single issue on gun rights.

Mainly because I feel 2A supporter politicians tend to align with my other core values.

I am a recovering Democrat (it's been a few years) and just cannot vibe with that platform at all with the direction they've moved.
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Unfortunately with politics the way they are right now, it's pushing me more and more to become a single issue voter.- single issue on gun rights.

Mainly because I feel 2A supporter politicians tend to align with my other core values.

I am a recovering Democrat (it's been a few years) and just cannot vibe with that platform at all with the direction they've moved.
I've been a single issue voter for quite some time for exactly that reason.
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I think the salient quote is "fight this violence of lies with the clenched fist of truth".

yea, it's hyperbolic and intense, choreographed with dramatic music and pictures, but it sounds like nothing more than a call to speak out against left wing authoritarianism to me.

If you want to confuse that with a call to actual violence, well...I call troll.




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I've been considering whether or not to join the NRA, and just saw this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtGOQFf9VCE

This is an extremely violent call-to-arms against political theory where the NRA is just a political lobby organization promoting lawlessness and division among law-abiding American citizens. This ad is against everything that a responsible gun owner should be. If the NRA were to teach and protect its members about responsible gun ownership and not promote violence where conversations are important, then they might be a respectable organization.

Does the NRA love the 2nd Amendment and really hate the 1st Amendment?

Is the left not allowed to have the right to freedom of speech and peaceful protest?

Is "they" the majority of peaceful, law-abiding, American citizens?
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The Democrat party is no longer Democratic. It has
evolved into Progressives and Leftists. There are few Democrats left that would call themselves Democrat in the name of John Kennedy or Henry Jackson. I take to heart their platform and as such can't support them. Not quite a one issue voter, but the 2A is important and the difference between freedom, liberty and tyranny.


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Old 07-04-2017, 12:14 AM
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The OP is a troll.

Dana Loesch is awesome.

The video is awesome.

That pretty much sums it up.

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Everyone needs to remember that Michael Bloomberg is PAYING people to troll every U.S. gun forum on the web and instigate just this kind of division and doubt.

Letting people like this operate is analogous to letting unvetted muslims from war zones into the country in my opinion.....

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The OP is a troll.

Dana Loesch is awesome.

The video is awesome.

That pretty much sums it up.

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Everyone needs to remember that Michael Bloomberg is PAYING people to troll every U.S. gun forum on the web and instigate just this kind of division and doubt.
True, but I wouldn't call this "division and doubt." More like "having a debate" to figure out where we stand.

Most of the real NRA members not only support Dana Loesch, but can articulate well *why* they support her and can share with other members some talking points about why it's a good ad.
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The NRA represents freedom. Under the 2nd amendment.

Under the 1st amendment you have a right to your opinion. Why do you post it here on a gun forum?
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I've been considering whether or not to join the NRA, and just saw this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtGOQFf9VCE

This is an extremely violent call-to-arms against political theory where the NRA is just a political lobby organization promoting lawlessness and division among law-abiding American citizens. This ad is against everything that a responsible gun owner should be. If the NRA were to teach and protect its members about responsible gun ownership and not promote violence where conversations are important, then they might be a respectable organization.

Does the NRA love the 2nd Amendment and really hate the 1st Amendment?

Is the left not allowed to have the right to freedom of speech and peaceful protest?

Is "they" the majority of peaceful, law-abiding, American citizens?
Not a goddarn thing is wrong with the NRA. And if you think that speaking the truth is "promoting lawfulness and division," you are on the wrong forum. There was no attack on peaceful protest in that ad, only attacks on leftist violence against speech that they dislike.
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Not a goddarn thing is wrong with the NRA. And if you think that speaking the truth is "promoting lawfulness and division," you are on the wrong forum. There was no attack on peaceful protest in that ad, only attacks on leftist violence against speech that they dislike.
I agree that there is little wrong with the NRA. And I further agree that the video was not an "extremely violent" call-to-arms. But I think that even if it was that we should not forget that yesterday we were, in fact, celebrating a violent call-to-arms. One that changed the course of history and demonstrated that we owe a tremendous debt to our forefathers who took up arms and risked their lives to set us free from a tyrannical government. I ask the OP, just what side will you be on when we again find ourselves confronted by a tyrannical government that first seeks to disarm us so that it can enslave us? To me that answer is simple, I will stand with my brothers and sisters who, like me, are members of the NRA.

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Join date June 2017. First post is bashing the NRA..


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Thanks for that suggestion, you should actually read it. It doesn't support your statement at all. A vast majority dislike ISIS and a vast majority wish Muslim leaders would do more about extremists.
Actually, you should read it, it does support his statement. YOu should educate yourself on Islam if you are going to make ignorant remarks like this.

I would say start at the quran, move to the hadith, and end with the sira.

Sounds like you have a problem with legitimate and honest facts, at least by your responses in this thread
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First off, I love guns. All guns! And I do think that Ca. gun laws are anti 2A. I also believe that waiting periods are great and keep us all safe.
How so? IF I own a gun already, why would I need to cool off to buy another one?
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I hate Donald Trump. Not because I'm a liberal (I'm not)
How are you not, just after you ignorantly stated that waiting periods are great and keep us all safe?

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My point is, that it's still ok to have your own personal beliefs, and not feel you have to join a side. You can be yourself and think for yourself, and not be a pawn in corporate American owned politics. Register as an independent voter, and vote for whoever you think will serve your community and your beliefs.
Liberty is not about your beliefs, and serving our communities shouldn't make politicians millionaires, not following you here????

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It's becoming fairly obvious that anti 2A trolls started this threat. Other than to get us annoyed and to increase contributions to the NRA, what had they hoped to accomplish.


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Nobody is talking about your *beliefs*. We are talking about the consequences of your *actions* such as voting.

Here it is again. From the Democratic Party Platform: "... and keep weapons of war—such as assault weapons and large capacity ammunition magazines (LCAM’s)—off our streets."

Nobody cares about your opinion, particularly on non-2A related issues. What we care about is your VOTE. If you, after whatever complex analysis you believe you are performing, end up voting for a Democrat, you VOTED for the above platform, you VOTED for the above sentence in the platform and you HURT us.

you're trying to convince the same person that believes waiting periods are good and keep us safe................/breath wasted
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We are fighting you in courts, but that doesn't mean that the legislation is not backed up by the brute force - it is. That's how police power of a state works.
THe reason we even have to go to the courts, is because they are stacked with leftists legislating from the bench rather than upholding their constitutional duties
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It ISN'T black or white. No, they aren't taking my guns. As for my kid not being able to keep them when I die, yeah that sucks and will probably be ruled unconstitutional before I go, if not, oh well.
therefor they will be taking your gun
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My gun collection is not my legacy, even though it is quite impressive. I don't want my tombstone to read, "Died a bitter angry man who spent his life worrying about liberal agendas and his gun collection." Personally, I got a lot more going on in my life than my passion for guns, but "nobody here cares about that"
Spoken like a true leftist "not my job to help preserve the constitution"

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My daughter probably won't give a crap about my guns when she grows up, and if she does, I can always start transferring them before I go. It isn't like I have invested her financial future into a gun collection. Only a complete idiot would do that.
Sounds like a bad parenting problem to me
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I'm in the middle, I vote, I do not belong to either party. So......no
According to your posts, you are far left..............
  • Waiting periods good........check
  • Anthropogenic global warming............check
  • Who cares about guns............check
  • Etc Etc ETc
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Did I imply you voted Democrat? I said IF you voted... it's a conditional statement.
I think he was showing his cards
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According to your posts, you are far left..............
  • Waiting periods good........check
  • Anthropogenic global warming............check
  • Who cares about guns............check
  • Etc Etc ETc
Hey guy, the moderators (and you) obviously don't take the 1A serious. Sill my comments from this post were removed several days ago, so go **** yourself.

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Hey guy, the moderators (and you) obviously don't take the 1A serious. Sill my comments from this post were removed several days ago, so go **** yourself.

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Does someone need a hug?



BTW, this is a privately owned forum, there is no free speech here. Why don't you hire a lawyer and sue the owner?
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Why so angry?

Does someone need a hug?



BTW, this is a privately owned forum, there is no free speech here. Why don't you hire a lawyer and sue the owner?
I'm not angry, just don't like little pussies running their mouth from behind their keyboard. Kind of like a mosquito buzzing your ear, annoying sure, but definitely not enough to make me angry. As for hugs, I'm good. It would appear to me that someone does needs a size 13 boot up their *** in a private forum.

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I'm not angry, just don't like little pussies running their mouth from behind their keyboard. Kind of like a mosquito buzzing your ear, annoying sure, but definitely not enough to make me angry. As for hugs, I'm good. It would appear to me that someone does needs a size 13 boot up their *** in a private forum.
Why all the name calling and threats of violence? Are you a member of Antifa?
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Actually, you should read it, it does support his statement. YOu should educate yourself on Islam if you are going to make ignorant remarks like this.



I would say start at the quran, move to the hadith, and end with the sira.



Sounds like you have a problem with legitimate and honest facts, at least by your responses in this thread


I looked up pew research and read it in its entirety and it did not say what you claim. Please post a link in case you're referring to something different but the pew research I looked up says quite clearly that most muslims don't support the extremist branches of their religion.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/...remist-groups/

And by the way you sound like an ignorant racist. Maybe you should read the bible again, it's every bit as violent as the Quran. I've read both. The Bible also seems to imply it's ok for daughters to rape their father to get pregnant and all kinds of other weird stuff so cool the hate against muslims.
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I looked up pew research and read it in its entirety and it did not say what you claim. Please post a link in case you're referring to something different but the pew research I looked up says quite clearly that most muslims don't support the extremist branches of their religion.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/...remist-groups/
Here is a good synopsis of the pew research poll since you probably did not do a good reading it.


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And by the way you sound like an ignorant racist.
What race am I offending, and why am I sounding like an ignorant racist?

Why are you guys going on with this name calling theme? Didn't you just complain about this earlier? Oh, yes you did, here it is
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Maybe you should read the bible again, it's every bit as violent as the Quran. I've read both.
What both have you read. The bible teaches about Love your neighbor as yourself. Please correct me if I am wrong

The moslems use (3) books and their (3) books support violence, slavery or taxation to non believers of islam,

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I looked up pew research and read it in its entirety and it did not say what you claim. Please post a link in case you're referring to something different but the pew research I looked up says quite clearly that most muslims don't support the extremist branches of their religion.



And by the way you sound like an ignorant racist. Maybe you should read the bible again, it's every bit as violent as the Quran. I've read both. The Bible also seems to imply it's ok for daughters to rape their father to get pregnant and all kinds of other weird stuff so cool the hate against muslims.
Maybe you should learn how to read in context. I don't believe you've actually read either, BTW
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Maybe you should learn how to read in context. I don't believe you've actually read either, BTW


I have no idea what you're talking about. I have read both in their entirety. Not that I'm claiming I'm a scholar but there is plenty of violent conduct in both.
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Hey guy, the moderators (and you) obviously don't take the 1A serious. Sill my comments from this post were removed several days ago, so go **** yourself.

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Looking back through Turtle777's post history none of his posts in this thread were deleted.
In fact in his entire post history, as short as it was, the only deleted posts were one in the Marketplace that he requested be deleted.

Dude went full CNN...
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Here is a good synopsis of the pew research poll since you probably did not do a good reading it.


What race am I offending, and why am I sounding like an ignorant racist?

Why are you guys going on with this name calling theme? Didn't you just complain about this earlier? Oh, yes you did, here it is



What both have you read. The bible teaches about Love your neighbor as yourself. Please correct me if I am wrong

The moslems use (3) books and their (3) books support violence, slavery or taxation to non believers of islam,



You sound like you're racist against people from the Mid East who are Muslim. You sound ignorant because you tell me to read more carefully a story that I have read carefully several times, and then post some YouTube video that is NOT the pew research. You are choosing to spew false information about a religion and yes I think that is the definition of ignorant.
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