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Default When other branches wear MARPAT.

I was under the impression that when other branches wear MARPAT that they must follow Marine Corps uniform regulations.

regardless of what practice actually is, any insight?

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Why would they? It's just a Uniform. What other branches are wearing it?
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Nevermind, I found it. I knew it would be in MCO 1020.34g but I guess I missed it.

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>CH 5 2. The utility uniform is a working uniform and not appropriate
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en route stops while off-base are not authorized except for bonafide
emergencies, such as medical emergencies, vehicle breakdown, or vehicle
accidents. Marines and Sailors may only wear the MCCUU at off base
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This all stems from a picture that I saw on the San Diego Firearm Traning Center's (in Poway) website of a Navy Officer in Desert cammies holding a gun up.
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Ive seen Navy seabees or swicc guys wear MARPAT at the point Loma Navy sub base. I think they call it Navy Working Uniform (NWU) XYZ??

They come to lliberty station to eat lunch, I did a double take when I saw Navy in MARPAT.
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The only Navy guys that I've seen wearing MARPAT are usually Corpsmen (FMF) or crypto guys that are temporarily assigned to a USMC unit. If wearing MARPAT, they should follow USMC uniform regs.

The newer Navy uniforms worn by SPECWAR, SeaBees and a few other select units look very similar to MARPAT, but are more of a light green shade. They fall under the same regs as the super cool Michael Bay style NWU blue camouflage uniform, and the rules for wearing them while off base are not as restrictive as the USMC regs.
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The only Navy guys that I've seen wearing MARPAT are usually Corpsmen (FMF) or crypto guys that are temporarily assigned to a USMC unit. If wearing MARPAT, they should follow USMC uniform regs.

The newer Navy uniforms worn by SPECWAR, SeaBees and a few other select units look very similar to MARPAT, but are more of a light green shade. They fall under the same regs as the super cool Michael Bay style NWU blue camouflage uniform, and the rules for wearing them while off base are not as restrictive as the USMC regs.
That's exactly it, very very very similar but when held close together the shades are different.
Also Navy corpsmen where marpat when attached to marine units but where navy dress blues during cerimonies
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The only Navy guys that I've seen wearing MARPAT are usually Corpsmen (FMF) or crypto guys that are temporarily assigned to a USMC unit. If wearing MARPAT, they should follow USMC uniform regs.

The newer Navy uniforms worn by SPECWAR, SeaBees and a few other select units look very similar to MARPAT, but are more of a light green shade. They fall under the same regs as the super cool Michael Bay style NWU blue camouflage uniform, and the rules for wearing them while off base are not as restrictive as the USMC regs.
Your'e 100% correct. I remember looking at it and saying to myself that's a odd shade of MARPAT. Then I looked it up and itss called NWU type III. MARPAT has orange/brown shades mixed into it,while NWU has more " greens".





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easily identifiable as well as the Navy digital woodland runs "vertical" and the MARPAT pattern runs horizontal.

The joke is that Navy woodlands run vertical because it is "slimming" lol
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This all stems from a picture that I saw on the San Diego Firearm Traning Center's (in Poway) website of a Navy Officer in Desert cammies holding a gun up.
From what I remembered, some officers thought they were exempt from some of the rules, so it doesn't surprise me a Navy officer was seen doing that. But you're right, when the Navy wear our cammies, Same rules applied
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good,That's exactly it, very very very similar but when held close together the shades are different.
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Run a set of Marine cammies through the washer enough and they'll look like the Navy pattern too.
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you should see my woodland cammies, they are almost getting close to grey rather than green lol
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you should see my woodland cammies, they are almost getting close to grey rather than green lol
We had a dirt bag that had "snow" BDU's. He was finally told not to wear them.
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I've seen USAF CCTs in Desert Marpat. Not sure the story behind it however
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Strange Fact: Our units actually field tested the MARPAT designs/uniform back in 2001ish. Woodland included leggings circa WWII. And desert had light hints of blues and pinks...if I remember correctly. Thank god they nixed those ridiculously huge boonies...
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We had a dirt bag that had "snow" BDU's. He was finally told not to wear them.
Was he a dirt bag because he had faded cammies? or was he solely just a dirtbag?
At least in our uniform order, there is no clause that states faded cammies = unservicable.
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Was he a dirt bag because he had faded cammies? or was he solely just a dirtbag?
At least in our uniform order, there is no clause that states faded cammies = unservicable.
Dirtbag to the core. I always cut a little slack to the people that got it done. He was lazy, more use from a door stop.
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Huge pet peeve of mine, while we're talking about uniforms, is Navy wearing theirs out in town at grocery stores, gas stations, Starbucks, etc. I just can't understand why that's allowed...

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UOTE=Germz;14141742]Was he a dirt bag because he had faded cammies? or was he solely just a dirtbag?
At least in our uniform order, there is no clause that states faded cammies = unservicable.[/QUOTE]

I'll tell you what, it was a badge of honor back in the 90's to see how faded out you could get your utilities, although it was frowned upon by some even then. I've seen some that were incredibly white, so much so you couldn't even discern a woodland pattern, sort of like the sky this cloudy morning. Older Marines used to rock their old "USMC "marked 'utes well into the 90's. It used to mean you had been in a while or at least out in the sun a lot.
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When I was in it was only Navy Fleet Corpsmen and a few religious guys. But I have seen SEALS wear what looks like Pats but not sure is they are USMC Pats with the EGA.
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Huge pet peeve of mine, while we're talking about uniforms, is Navy wearing theirs out in town at grocery stores, gas stations, Starbucks, etc. I just can't understand why that's allowed...
They put out a new NAVADMIN a while back that allowed, among other things:

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NWU TYPE I, II AND III WEAR IS AUTHORIZED FOR COMMUTING AND ALL NORMAL TASKS
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When I was in it was only Navy Fleet Corpsmen and a few religious guys. But I have seen SEALS wear what looks like Pats but not sure is they are USMC Pats with the EGA.
Those are Type II NWUs...
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Before the NWU I and II where implemented, Seals did wear MARPAT when attached to Marine units.
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The only Navy guys that I've seen wearing MARPAT are usually Corpsmen (FMF) or crypto guys that are temporarily assigned to a USMC unit. If wearing MARPAT, they should follow USMC uniform regs.

The newer Navy uniforms worn by SPECWAR, SeaBees and a few other select units look very similar to MARPAT, but are more of a light green shade. They fall under the same regs as the super cool Michael Bay style NWU blue camouflage uniform, and the rules for wearing them while off base are not as restrictive as the USMC regs.

The SEALS and SWCC guys are rocking AOR which is an older variant of MARPAT without the EGA's and is insanely expensive for private purchase. $900 for a pair of trousers? No thanks.

Our corpsman wears the same MARPAT we wear but he always adheres to the rules, rolled sleeves and all. He even wears his fancy Navy Charlies on Friday. In the field you probably wouldn't even know he was a doc if it weren't for the "US NAVY" name tape on his chest and doc bag.

Two additional US Navy patterns were adopted in 2010, for issue strictly to Navy Special Operations. The patterns are intended for wear in temperate/tropical and desert/arid environments, respectively, and have come to be known as NWU-3 and NWU-2 (NWU Type 3 and Type 2) respectively. Both patterns are essentially revisitations of the original USMC MARPAT design, having a vertical (vice horizontal) orientation and a slightly varied coloration. Instead of the USMC EGA logo, the NWU-2 and 3 (like the NWU-1) has the Navy coat-of-arms embedded into its design. Early trial versions of the pattern were called variously Digi 1 and 2, DG-1 and DG-2, and AOR (Area of Responsibility) 1 and 2. Although primarly intended for Navy Special Operations, the USN has indicated that NWU-3 or the temperate version of their camouflage may also be worn by Navy personnel engaged in shore-based operations, but not the NWU-2 desert variant. - Camopedia
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despite what the Navy has, this guy is wearing MARPAT....and hes wrong.
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despite what the Navy has, this guy is wearing MARPAT....and hes wrong.
I love your quote sig. Still laughing. All the dark greens sank like rocks.
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No one mentioned, that only MARPAT will have the EGA and "USMC" in the print.
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despite what the Navy has, this guy is wearing MARPAT....and hes wrong.
What's he doing wrong? I'm not familiar with USMC uniform regs...
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What's wrong with wearing the uniform out in town? I do this all the time back home during the workday, if we're grabbing coffee, getting lunch, et cetera. Even in the type III's lol. It's perfectly within regulations, you just can't wear it around off duty unless you're going to or from work and making an I-stop like getting gas, diapers etc.

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What's wrong with wearing the uniform out in town? I do this all the time back home during the workday, if we're grabbing coffee, getting lunch, et cetera. Even in the type III's lol. It's perfectly within regulations, you just can't wear it around off duty unless you're going to or from work and making an I-stop like getting gas, diapers etc.

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Because that lenience makes it so guys think it's OK to walk into a grocery store and do their shopping after work in uniform. Or go to the gun store in uniform. The Marine Corps regulation is that it had to be a legitimate emergency in order for you to get out of your car in cammies. Buying a Snickers bar at the gas station is not an emergency.
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Shopping at a grocery store after hours in working uniform is not authorized. That is pretty clear in the regs...

Really this is part of an effort on the Navy to have NWU's as less working and more a fashion statement IMO. I know the Army can wear their cammies pretty much anywhere and even fly in them. No thanks, I'll always be in civilian attire unless there was a special circumstance.

From what I gather though, going out to hooters in uniform is a ****bag thing to do in the Army, even if it's technically allowed.
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CAG has been documented wearing it, just like MARSOC has worn Multicam. Then again it doesn't really matter at that level lol
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Yes it is... NAVADMIN 366/11

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NWU TYPE I, II AND III WEAR IS AUTHORIZED FOR COMMUTING AND ALL NORMAL TASKS AND ASSOCIATED STOPS (E.G. STOPS AT CHILD CARE, GAS STATIONS, OFF-BASE SHOPPING, BANKING, DMV AND DINING) BEFORE, DURING AND AFTER THE WORKDAY. SINCE NWUS ARE NOT A LIBERTY UNIFORM, CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL WHILE OFF-BASE IN NWUS IS NOT PERMITTED. PER NAVY UNIFORM REGULATIONS, CHAPTER 1, SECTION 2,
PARAGRAPH 1201.2, THE AREA OR REGIONAL COMMANDER (PER TABLE 1-2-1) MAY FURTHER RESTRICT UNIFORM POLICY WITHIN THEIR GEOGRAPHIC LIMITS.
(2) THIS GUIDANCE UPDATES AND REPLACES REF A, PARA 5.A.(2).
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Omg. When did that NAVADMIN come out?!? Lol

Is flying restricted still? In NWU 1/3? I didn't see it mentioned. Guess I never saw that message traffic...
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Omg. When did that NAVADMIN come out?!? Lol

Is flying restricted still? In NWU 1/3? I didn't see it mentioned. Guess I never saw that message traffic...
As in flightsuits? There's another NAVADMIN that puts it in the same category as NWUs... no command ballcaps or green jackets off-base, and only blue/black undershirts.
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I meant is flying commercially in NWU 1/2/3 still banned (not sure why you would want to but just for situational awareness) because the last regulation I read on that only allowed NSU or Dress uniform.
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