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Old 03-16-2014, 2:44 PM
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Default Encouraging others to be just a little prepared...

The other day I had some family and friends at my house. One of them asks my kid to grab them a bottle of water. My kid goes over to the fridge and sees nothing so then she goes over to the pantry and opens a new case. One of my family members sees the water cases stacked up and says "Geez. What are you doing with all that water? Are you preparing for an earthquake?". My reply "Yes."

In that split second I was preparing for the "Great we will come to your house!" response and I was going to reply with "Why put yourself in that situation? Just buy 1 extra item every time you go to the store and before you know it you will be ready too."

The subject changes back to whatever other random talk was going on.

This got me thinking about the recent threads talking about would you help friends and family. I am far from being a "prepper" but I do have enough food to feed my family in a bug in situation.

I am sitting here thinking about who was here that day. I can only think of 2 people in that room who would have enough food/water to get by for a week or two. Then on the far end of the spectrum a couple of those people keep hardly any food at all in their house let alone have bottled water. Their fridge resembles a college kid with leftover ramen noodles and taco bell hot sauce packets.

So here's my question to all of you. Have you been able to successfully encourage people to be a little prepared? If so how did you do it? I don't want to lecture people or have them think im building a doomsday shelter due to all the recent media hype. I'd like to get them to think a little bit in advance before they come knocking on my door asking for a case of my water when the shelves are empty. Maybe I can send them some links, articles, recommend a movie or something that isn't talking about building a bunker for the zombies.

Please share your recommendations and suggestions.

I will update this post later down the line if I am successful. Feel free to do the same.
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Old 03-16-2014, 2:53 PM
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I do the same thing. I buy an 8-20lb bag of rice, beans, salt, sugar, grain, quinoa, or other food that would take a bit to prepare but hold well and fill you up if needed. Don't forget to keep stocked up on things like propane. I buy extra 5gal tanks from yard sales, people who don't want them, or otherwise and fill them. Keep extra wrenches, gas line linkages, and parts to keep them working. Keep up on the maintenance of your grill, have an extra propane hibachi, or stove/otherwise also. The 50gal tanks from Costco/Sams are usually under 100 dollars, have a bung wrench and pump included. Bleach bottles rinsed out well and stored with water keep well in a basement or under your home also. You can use it for water to bathe, wash dishes, etc. You don't want to use all your drinking potable water for that kind of stuff. Just think about things one step at a time and work within your budget. You don't need to build a 50k bunker in your backyard (although it would be kinda cool )
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Old 03-16-2014, 2:53 PM
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When you get the chance just try to steer the conversation that way and then explain that it's easy to prepare for 2 weeks or so with no services. I've had this conversation with several family members and friends. I don't know if they've prepped or not.
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Old 03-16-2014, 3:00 PM
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I discuss prepping with people using this game. It lets the come to the conclusion that they need to prep without me having to "sell" then on the idea.

Here is a list of expert reviews and write ups on the game. http://conflictedthegame.com/reviews/

I ordered both decks and made my own deck with my favorite questions.
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Old 03-16-2014, 3:08 PM
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I have been contemplating the same thing. Currently I am fighting a war for the 2nd Amendment to get them all armed. Recently turned a non-believer after getting him to shoot my shotgun. Which is my goal, to get all of the people I know to at least shoot a gun before making a decision.

The non-believer, my brother in law, at first made fun of me for being crazy and paranoid. He never had a problem with me owning guns, saying I was one of the few people he could agree with being able to own a gun, which bothered me but I ignored it. Didn't need his approval, but moving on. Every time he would come down to visit, I would offer to take him shooting. A year later, he was the one ask me to take him.

I've showed my immediate family most of my gear and my firearms. They all joked a little at first. I have found people often user humor to hide their fear, tension or the unknown. After see some of my stuff they ask me, what would you need that for? I tell them and they mostly look at me like I am crazy.

Just like the movie inception, you have to plant the idea in their head and watch it grow. Try to show it in a positive light, you don't have to be aggressive about it. In some ways I guess it is not unlike trying to convert someone into your religion. They will either come around or they won't, so don't take it personally if they don't want to take steps to make sure they survive.

I have also been looking at using a FEMA angle. ready.gov has lot's of resources and if they government says you should be prepared... well I guess it's true right?
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Old 03-16-2014, 3:18 PM
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Good suggestions. Keep them coming.

Jerhyn- I did the same as you last year. I had a family member question the heck out of me on several occasions in regards to owning firearms in general and also firearms with children in the house. Long story short = They bought their first shotgun and ready rack by the end of the year.
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Forgot to mention, take them camping, bring your gear and show-off , this also let's you gauge their readiness from their gear.
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To get people to think about being prepared I just point to past situations, Katrina, Sandy, the 89 quake, LA riots, lots of footage on this stuff. I got my bro into relevant prepping through watching videos on this stuff, than he got me into Krav Maga self defense. Now we exchange ideas on guns, self sufficiency ect...We've gotten more friends into being a bit more prepared through firearms. Takem to the range, than they get hooked and start asking for more info. They pass stuff on to their spouses , girlfriends , friends. In the end you can't change everyone. My circle of friends has dwindled naturally cause I tend to associate with people who have the same interests and that's ok
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I am just wondering how.. "not that it can't happen" But Will I need to buy a U Haul truck to tote all of this stuff? I have seen the BOV thread, but it still makes me wonder what I will need. Ammo, propane bottles, seeds for planting... the list goes on. But my main concern is, will the roads even be open to travel on? Wont there be guards blocking the roads, and inspections? I am not knocking anyone for preparation, but could it all be for not if SHTF really happens? I applaude those that are preparing.
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Old 03-16-2014, 5:05 PM
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To me, Sandy, Katrina, and a huge quake are real SHTF events. No food or water, no electricity, people will loot and come after your provisions. I don't have a Uhaul, but I am self sufficient for a decent amount of time and can protect my stuff. Basically I just look at all of this as emergency preparedness and try to be practical. I agree thinking about all of the possibilities can be a bit overwhelming, but nobody is looking after me but me, and really anything can happen
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Old 03-16-2014, 5:20 PM
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Presents I give to students of mine, nephews and nieces upon their graduations or weddings include....copies of " One Second After,". Flash lights, water filters for the back pack / car, and I've even been known to give an ounce of silver ( Canadian Maple Leaf).
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I refer people to FEMA's ready.gov site. It helps people realize that the government itself thinks people should prepare to keep themselves going at least two weeks after a disaster. Then I talk about how the place I work has plans for stuff like this. Then I act curious and ask, in their assessment, how long it will be before the next killer earthquake or terrorist attack. Further curious, I ask what their plan is for an interruption in basic services. Typically the conversation ends with them nodding sagely about needing to do more.
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I am fortunate enough to live in a neighborhood of like minded individuals and to being about as heartless a realist as you can be. I've spoken to several friends and family members about the reality of the world we live in. From things as drastic as revolution or zombie apocalypse, to things as real as a power outage or major quake, and expressed to them to the importance of being at least self reliable until help comes.
To the people who have agreed and have started to try, I've put out the message, I'm ready to help IF you can get to me. To those that think I'm crazy, I've left the topic alone and continue to talk about other things.

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Great thread btw.

In my world, I have several friends whose level of denial is HARD CORE. They believe it's wise to have water, food, supplies etc... But for various different reasons they almost REFUSE to actually do it. It's maddening.

I've gotten to a point with a couple of them that I've had to tell them straight up, "IF YOU DO NOTHING AND S HITS THE F, I WILL NOT HELP YOU!"

I could comment on why I think this is, procrastination, feeling weird about "prepping", family fears, or just avoidance, but mostly you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

The one friend that has done a little, I've bought them gear as gifts and helped them along a bit.
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I refer people to FEMA's ready.gov site. It helps people realize that the government itself thinks people should prepare to keep themselves going at least two weeks after a disaster. Then I talk about how the place I work has plans for stuff like this. Then I act curious and ask, in their assessment, how long it will be before the next killer earthquake or terrorist attack. Further curious, I ask what their plan is for an interruption in basic services. Typically the conversation ends with them nodding sagely about needing to do more.
I've found bringing up FEMA's recommendations can help when arguing against the "THEY will save us" mentality.

Getting them to actually DO ANYTHING is another matter entirely.
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I live in L.A.---been thru three major riots, three major EQs (and many smaller ones), wind storms that had the power off and on, etc. I am a strong believer in having a couple of months worth of the usual items around---this saves you from being one of the folks who was waving their sweaty, thirsty babies at the copters has the flew by---like during Katrina...
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I like watching the survivor tv shows. Basic survival seems to be water and fire. That what they all strive for.

I buy the 1 gallon jugs all the time 20-30 on hand, propane BBQ with several 5 gallon jugs. I can cook a lot of canned goods there. Have not bought a generator yet. Extra Gasoline for Cars or a generator. I was thinking of a enduro motorcycle to get around. If the Big quake hits and knocks down
all our freeways and bridges, its going to take a while for the inter structure to get gas back to gas stations, power back to homes, water back to homes.
I wonder what it would take to wire an IN power to the house and a couple things run on a power gen from Costco?

Wow, I'm not ready for any big disaster. Can't count on Obama to care on me
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I'm glad you mentioned that. I've grown tired of coworkers saying, "when there is a earthquake, we know which house to go to"

Look, I'm taking care of my wife and kids first. Everyone else, is just extra protein for my dog...
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I am just wondering how.. "not that it can't happen" But Will I need to buy a U Haul truck to tote all of this stuff? I have seen the BOV thread, but it still makes me wonder what I will need. Ammo, propane bottles, seeds for planting... the list goes on. But my main concern is, will the roads even be open to travel on? Wont there be guards blocking the roads, and inspections? I am not knocking anyone for preparation, but could it all be for not if SHTF really happens? I applaude those that are preparing.
That really depends where you live. In my situation and many others here in dense cities like LA "bugging out" isn't really an option. IMO I would encounter more problems and risk trying to get out of here as opposed to staying put.

You mentioned FEMAs website and ready.gov. Another good one is the emergency and preparedness section of CDC.gov.
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Yeah, I am mainly concerned about my good friends having adequate food and water. A lot of people I know have weapons, but not food. And when you go to gun stores in LA, you know there are probably a lot of other people in that exact situation. So it won't take too much before those people start robbing and looting to get food. I can defend myself and my friends, but I don't want them showing up with just guns, and no food. Otherwise we will eventually have to be just like the other people who are out there looting. I'd much rather we all have enough food to last a good long time. I haven't gotten all of them on board, but some of them...
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Just remind them if they say the governement will save them that FEMA sure helped in Katrina by sticking everyone in the super dome and there was rape and murders daily lol I find just trying to have em watch certain things like doomsday preper or disaster moves helps to get things started to talk about it and go from there. Even though they think the movies are silly it gets them thinking when you give em little facts not big ones or just simple questions like how well would you do if that happened.
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