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Old 01-14-2014, 11:41 PM
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Does it make a difference? Hurt? Help?

I am in Contra Costa County, ( Concord ) so I realize it will be damn difficult anyways. However, I have muscular dystrophy which inhibits my mobility and strength, so I was wondering if anyone has experience applying with a disability. Also, if that is something that could help or hurt with the "good cause" statement?

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If Contra Costa County accepts "personal protection" as valid 'good cause', then I would imagine a physical disability would help you. Typically the IA will look for reasons/circumstances why you are at heightened risk than others. A decreased means to defend yourself physically in the event of a violent confrontation due to the disability would definitely meet that criteria.
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Well, so I went into Concord PD and politely asked how I go about applying for a CCW. The officer pretty much laughed as he handed me the application...
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Well, so I went into Concord PD and politely asked how I go about applying for a CCW. The officer pretty much laughed as he handed me the application...
At least you got to talk to someone.

City actually does issue a few, but 'don't hold your breath'. Neither city nor county accept 'personal protection' or 'self defense' as good cause.
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....state that you no longer have the ability to remove yourself from a threatening situation, and personal protection is a definite need.
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Thanks, I will.

Reading over the application now, have you guys done one?
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Not in that county. Applied for and received mine in San Bernardino County.

What do the 'good cause' guidelines say on the application packet they handed you?
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Here is what it says in section 7,

"If the CCW license is desired for self-protection, the protection of others, or for the protection of large sums of money or
valuable property, you are required to explain and provide good cause for issuance of the license. For example, has your life
or property been threatened or jeopardized? Explain incidents and include dates, times, locations, and names of police
agencies to which these incidents were reported.

Details of Reason for Applicant Desiring a CCW license. Use additional pages if necessary"

Followed by a page of blank line to write in. However, the instructions state that the section is to be completed in presence of an official of the licensing agency. So not only am I not sure what exactly to say yet, I don't think I can write it in anyways... ha
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....state that you no longer have the ability to remove yourself from a threatening situation, and personal protection is a definite need.
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So, seeing as how I can not find anything after scouring the Concord PD website about a CCW policy, if I go into the station I can ask for a written copy of their CCW issuance policy and instructions correct?

I found this linked elsewhere, however it appears pretty old..

http://web.archive.org/web/201206042...ontraCosta.pdf
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So, seeing as how I can not find anything after scouring the Concord PD website about a CCW policy, if I go into the station I can ask for a written copy of their CCW issuance policy and instructions correct?

I found this linked elsewhere, however it appears pretty old..

http://web.archive.org/web/201206042...ontraCosta.pdf
Yes to the City; the Contra Costa doc is for the Sheriff. AFICT, Sheriff's policies remain as written there.
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Thank you. I will go into the station tomorrow and ask for that.
Will update!
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Just an update.

Went into Concord PD, asked for copy of the written policy. Was told to get it off the county website. Could not find it on county website, so drove to Martinez Sheriff office and asked for copy. Was give number to call but that person is out until Wednesday...

Perhaps the archived one for the county is still accurate?

Also, I thought that being in Concord I HAD to go through the Police Dept... no?
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cant help you with your last Q, but sit on the GC statement for a while. "Large sums of money" is usually not a good answer because they will tell you to hire an armored car company to transport it for you. I know that you weren't going that route, but its something to ponder as they will have a million reasons NOT to issue you a CCW...
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cant help you with your last Q, but sit on the GC statement for a while. "Large sums of money" is usually not a good answer because they will tell you to hire an armored car company to transport it for you. I know that you weren't going that route, but its something to ponder as they will have a million reasons NOT to issue you a CCW...
Thanks, yeah that makes total sense. I do wish the links on the CGF site worked, would really love to see some examples...

I am really leaning towards my disability as primary reason, I mean I have handicapped placard and all I also am part owner of a business here in Concord, and sometimes we are there late at night and it is in the "commercial" area, lots of "creepers"

Not sure if that would help or hinder..
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Just an update.

Went into Concord PD, asked for copy of the written policy. Was told to get it off the county website. Could not find it on county website, so drove to Martinez Sheriff office and asked for copy. Was give number to call but that person is out until Wednesday...

Perhaps the archived one for the county is still accurate?

Also, I thought that being in Concord I HAD to go through the Police Dept... no?
Well, the Sheriff thinks so ...

Years ago I merely inquired at CPD (talked to the Chief's receptionist), and left my name. About a week later I got an official letter that my application had been denied. Which was odd, since I had not submitted an application, paid a fee, done fingerprints, talked to an evaluator - but I digress ...

Couple years ago went to Martinez, up to 7th floor, app all filled out and ready to go - and was politely but firmly told I needed a denial from Concord before I could submit an app to CoCoCo, and also I needed to get my app only from the Sheriff's office - other versions would not be accepted.

According to the data - http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/res...ce-initiative/ - Concord PD currently has 1 civilian LTC out, CoCoCo has 135.
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Since that topic has been opened, I cannot recommend CalCCW. A few of 'em do know things that may help you, and there's one or two whom I remember as being very helpful and knowledgeable, but the overall FUD factor of the place is high. Add to that an obsession with never breathing a word of any GC statement and a bizarre, autocratic moderation philosophy, and its cons outweigh its pros by a wide margin.

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Since that topic has been opened, I cannot recommend CalCCW. A few of 'em do know things that may help you, and there's one or two whom I remember as being very helpful and knowledgeable, but the overall FUD factor of the place is high. Add to that an obsession with never breathing a word of any GC statement and a bizarre, autocratic moderation philosophy, and its cons outweigh its pros by a wide margin.

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I do tend to agree, havent been on there in years
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Also, I thought that being in Concord I HAD to go through the Police Dept... no?
As far as CA law is concerned, no, you can get it through either issuing agency. However, it seems the Sheriff has a policy not to issue unless denied by another agency. Unfortunately, it is up to them to set the standard because CA is a "may issue" state.

The only caveat I remember in the law (sorry I don't have the reference) is that their policy must be the same for everyone.
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Since that topic has been opened, I cannot recommend CalCCW. A few of 'em do know things that may help you, and there's one or two whom I remember as being very helpful and knowledgeable, but the overall FUD factor of the place is high. Add to that an obsession with never breathing a word of any GC statement and a bizarre, autocratic moderation philosophy, and its cons outweigh its pros by a wide margin.

This is just my opinion. YMMV.
I recently posted there looking to apply in San Benito.

I sent my draft GC statement to a recommended CalCCW CCW instructor for review. One part of my GC mentioned self defense and his short response basically was that self defense wont fly here. He also let me know that some of the forms they're using and things they are requesting are illegal. Didn't comment on any other part of my statement

He never helped me with my good cause.

I also got "advised" that I had posted things I shouldn't have and asked to edit after I mentioned one or two reasons I think I should be able to give as good cause.

For a forum dedicated to CCW and getting your CCW license, I felt pretty unhelped and unadvised.

I mean, where the hell are you supposed to ask these questions?

I'm going to apply anyways soon and wing it with my own GC statement. I had an officer tell me that most apps with simply "self defense" on them get denied here. I've been brainstorming since then and writing drafts to include other truthful reasons.

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Hello again, resurrecting this after a long time I apologize!

Hiatus was due to mostly chickening out before I really began the app, figuring why bother, and then life got in my way and I had not even been on here in a while. Sorry to leave hanging.

However, reinvigorated, I am about to fill out the app that is linked from the CoCo sheriff office website, so here we go.

Couple questions on the app,

1. Section 3, listing weapons. Is it required to fill this out initially? I thought it was possible to apply and then if you have chance of going further (like to the training class) you could buy a specific CCW weapon to use?

2. Upon completion of app, is it best to drive it to the office to hand in, or mail it? If handing in, should it be in an envelope or anything?

3. Besides required attachments such as ID and proof of residency, are you allowed or encourage/dissuaded from attaching anything else that may help? Such as current HSC, certificate from previous handgun training, disability card proof type thing?

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Hello again, resurrecting this after a long time I apologize!

Hiatus was due to mostly chickening out before I really began the app, figuring why bother, and then life got in my way and I had not even been on here in a while. Sorry to leave hanging.

However, reinvigorated, I am about to fill out the app that is linked from the CoCo sheriff office website, so here we go.

Couple questions on the app,

1. Section 3, listing weapons. Is it required to fill this out initially? I thought it was possible to apply and then if you have chance of going further (like to the training class) you could buy a specific CCW weapon to use?

2. Upon completion of app, is it best to drive it to the office to hand in, or mail it? If handing in, should it be in an envelope or anything?

3. Besides required attachments such as ID and proof of residency, are you allowed or encourage/dissuaded from attaching anything else that may help? Such as current HSC, certificate from previous handgun training, disability card proof type thing?

Thank you all very much!
I'm not in CoCoCo so I'm not sure of their specific requirements but...

1. You can fill in the weapon specifics at a later date.
2. I would hand deliver the app and not fold it up or put it in an envelope. Just paper clip it all together.
3. I would attach a copy of HSC, DMV printout, etc. Whatever you feel would be helpful. The worst they will do is tell you they don't need it and hand it back.
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I'm not in CoCoCo so I'm not sure of their specific requirements but...

1. You can fill in the weapon specifics at a later date.
2. I would hand deliver the app and not fold it up or put it in an envelope. Just paper clip it all together.
3. I would attach a copy of HSC, DMV printout, etc. Whatever you feel would be helpful. The worst they will do is tell you they don't need it and hand it back.
Thanks, good points.

Is the ability to fill out weapons later state-wide do you think?
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Is the ability to fill out weapons later state-wide do you think?
I think it is.
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