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Old 06-25-2013, 8:45 PM
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Hello. This is my first post on this site and need some help with a question. I am new to guns and what is legal and not legal. I really want a .22 rifle and like the fact that the Ruger Takedown easily comes apart for storage. My question is I am not to comfortable with the way I have to hold a rifle and prefer a pistol grip. My question is are the below kits they sell om ebay and online 100% legal to have in California? This is just going to be a gun I go target shooting with and nothing else.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ATI-Ruger-10...p2047675.l2557
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Old 06-25-2013, 8:52 PM
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This is another one I was looking at. I know this one would have to be cut in order to keep the takedown feature.

http://www.atigunstocks.com/ruger-10...s-package.html
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cool i hear that the agp is easily modified

http://www.agparms.com/agp-folding-stock-blem/
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As the law stands today a pistol grip is not an issue on a rimfire rifle.
The issue you may run into with a folding stock like that is that it might be under 26" when folded.
Federally they measure from the least compact fireable configuration
California measures from the most compact fireable configuration.

I have no idea what its length is folded, and it would depend on the barrel length you use too.
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I have the Butler Creek folder on one of my 10/22s. It is 9 inches from the rear of the folded stock to the breech face. It would be under the legal length with a 16 inch barrel so I have to use 18 inch barrels in it.

The take down uses a 16.62 inch barrel. Check with the manufacturers to see how long their action is when folded.

Good luck, sounds like a cool plan.
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The takedown doesn't fold, it comes apart. I'm not too familiar with it, but I don't think it is fireable when taken down. Not sure if they make aftermarket replacements for the takedown stock. Have you ever held a rifle? The 10/22 is pretty lightweight. You should probably be comfortable with a standard rifle stock. Again I am no expert, but if the pistol grip is the most important to you, then maybe skip the takedown and get a regular 10/22, there are numerous stocks for it. The takedown is meant for packability and it is easily stowed, but if storage is your main concern, probably a handgun is a better choice. Takedown is super cool. But I don't think it can serve every purpose.
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The takedown doesn't fold, it comes apart. I'm not too familiar with it, but I don't think it is fireable when taken down. Not sure if they make aftermarket replacements for the takedown stock. Have you ever held a rifle? The 10/22 is pretty lightweight. You should probably be comfortable with a standard rifle stock. Again I am no expert, but if the pistol grip is the most important to you, then maybe skip the takedown and get a regular 10/22, there are numerous stocks for it. The takedown is meant for packability and it is easily stowed, but if storage is your main concern, probably a handgun is a better choice. Takedown is super cool. But I don't think it can serve every purpose.
The aftermarket stock OP is asking about the legality of folds.

No the Takedown is not fireable when its taken down so no the 26" is not a concern at that point. But in a fireable configuration under 26" (Which might be possible with a folding stock and the wrong barrel length) it is illegal in CA.
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Think I will just get a regular 10/22.
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Move out of Ca and not have to worry...
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Recoil system on a 22? Now I have seen it all.
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AGP now makes a folding stock specifically for the TD. Link:

http://www.agparms.com/agp-folding-s...0-22-takedown/
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AGP now makes a folding stock specifically for the TD. Link:

http://www.agparms.com/agp-folding-s...0-22-takedown/
Is this a go for California? (e.g. 26" length folded?)
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I have the agp stock installed on my TD and love it.
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Is this a go for California? (e.g. 26" length folded?)
If you plan to go with this stock, do not plan to use the stock iron sights. This stock raises the cheek weld position up to the point where it is very difficult to line up the rear and front stock iron sights without pressing your face flat as possible to the stock. This stock is best with a dedicated optic. But if you dont believe me slap the stock on and try it yourself. For 100$ i would go with the butler creek and mod it to fit.
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Is this a go for California? (e.g. 26" length folded?)
Just did a very quick measurement on mine estimating from pictures of the stock; it looks like it falls short of CA standards. Grrrrrrr
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Just did a very quick measurement on mine estimating from pictures of the stock; it looks like it falls short of CA standards. Grrrrrrr
Booo - that stinks! How short was it? Thanks for checking...
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Looks like from the back of the folding part of the stock to the start of the barrel is apx 9 inches.

The TD comes in 2 factory barrel lengths:
16.62"
18.50"

So it looks like the 16.62" would just be slightly too short at 25.62"
But it has a threaded barrel, I am not sure if Ruger is measuring the length of the muzzle device. It might be possible to add a longer muzzle device to bring it up to length.

The 18.50" would be slightly over the 26" OAL with 27.5".

Again these are just guesses using a photo and some stats off a website..
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That stock also has optional butt pads. One is 1/2 inch the other is 1 inch. That should take care of the under length problem.
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That stock also has optional butt pads. One is 1/2 inch the other is 1 inch. That should take care of the under length problem.
I don't see how that helps if CA measures from the minimum fold length not the max overall length.
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My Sig522 has the factory folding stock unpinned...not an issue for a rimfire.
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Where can I find CA laws for rimfires. I searched on google and I cant seem to find it.
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Law tells you want you can not do.
Not what you can do.

Thru many posts in this thread you have been told the law.
When it comes to rifles rimfire is not listed in the CA AWB.
Therefore evil features do not apply to them nor does the 30"OAL.
So you will not find any part of the CA AWB that tells you about rimfire rifles and what they can or can not have.

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means any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to
accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action
of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine
with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length
of less than 30 inches.
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a
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(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor,
forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely
encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon
without burning the bearer's hand, except a slide that encloses the
barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location
outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the
capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
Note when it comes to pistols its says semiautomatic pistol and therefore includes rimfires.
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I will measure mine with the AGP folded. Pretty sure when I measured it back when I installed it I was good....FYI I have the standard barrel length not the shorter threaded version
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I purchased this one from impact guns:

Ruger 10/22 Takedown 22LR Threaded Barrel and Flash Hider, 10 Rnd Mag

and the AGP ARMS stock

AGP Folding Stock For Ruger 10/22 Takedown

folded it measures ~26.5 for me. There was another post somewhere asking about this as well and I pmed the OP about it. If you'd like to cross reference the info.

I will agree with someone else's post regarding the original iron sights are more difficult to use with this stock. I believe AGP does offer a solution to that as well if you want iron sights.

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Just a couple of questions; I know that when a barrel that is under 16" it has to have a "pinned" flash hider etc on it to bring it to legal length; so:
1. How long is your barrel without the flash hider?
2. Does CA require a pinned flash hider if the barrel length by itself (without the flash hider) allows the overall min length to fall under 26" when the stock is folded?
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I purchased this one from impact guns:

Ruger 10/22 Takedown 22LR Threaded Barrel and Flash Hider, 10 Rnd Mag

and the AGP ARMS stock

AGP Folding Stock For Ruger 10/22 Takedown

folded it measures ~26.5 for me. There was another post somewhere asking about this as well and I pmed the OP about it. If you'd like to cross reference the info.

I will agree with someone else's post regarding the original iron sights are more difficult to use with this stock. I believe AGP does offer a solution to that as well if you want iron sights.
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AGP now makes a folding stock specifically for the TD. Link:

http://www.agparms.com/agp-folding-s...0-22-takedown/
I ordered a blem of this, damned if I can tell you what the blem is, and put it no my takedown.

Folded it measures just over 27 inches from muzzle to furthest rearward point.
The length of pull is shorter than the factory stock and it does not lock in when folded. It does fit unfolded in the large compartment in the bag.

It's different, I'm not sure if I like it or if I'm gong back to the factory stock.
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I believe Ruger only makes the barrel at 16" and 18". Anything shorter would most likely be an after market barrel or custom work on the original barrel.

1. My barrel measures 16" without the flash hider
2. I don't believe that I need to pin the barrel as the barrel by itself is 16",
I've only read pinning of barrels if the barrel itself was under 16" (e.g. 14.5" pinned to a comp/flash hider making it meet the 16" requirement).

After reading your comment a third time, though I have not tried to remove my flash hider I guess that would make it under 26" OAL. If I removed the flash hider I guess it would be between .25" to .5" shy of 26" OAL.



I hope that picture helps to make it clear... It all fits into the Ruger bag that comes with it.

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Just a couple of questions; I know that when a barrel that is under 16" it has to have a "pinned" flash hider etc on it to bring it to legal length; so:
1. How long is your barrel without the flash hider?
2. Does CA require a pinned flash hider if the barrel length by itself (without the flash hider) allows the overall min length to fall under 26" when the stock is folded?
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After reading your comment a third time, though I have not tried to remove my flash hider I guess that would make it under 26" OAL. If I removed the flash hider I guess it would be between .25" to .5" shy of 26" OAL.
I guess then the 64 thousand dollar question is; does CA require a pinned flash hider when the minimum over all length is less than 26" without it.
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I ordered a blem of this, damned if I can tell you what the blem is, and put it no my takedown.

Folded it measures just over 27 inches from muzzle to furthest rearward point.
The length of pull is shorter than the factory stock and it does not lock in when folded. It does fit unfolded in the large compartment in the bag.

It's different, I'm not sure if I like it or if I'm gong back to the factory stock.
What is your experiences with the stock sights while using the agp stock. Any issues lining them up?
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I believe Ruger only makes the barrel at 16" and 18". Anything shorter would most likely be an after market barrel or custom work on the original barrel.

1. My barrel measures 16" without the flash hider
2. I don't believe that I need to pin the barrel as the barrel by itself is 16",
I've only read pinning of barrels if the barrel itself was under 16" (e.g. 14.5" pinned to a comp/flash hider making it meet the 16" requirement).

After reading your comment a third time, though I have not tried to remove my flash hider I guess that would make it under 26" OAL. If I removed the flash hider I guess it would be between .25" to .5" shy of 26" OAL.



I hope that picture helps to make it clear... It all fits into the Ruger bag that comes with it.
I am guessing you have that BX-25 modded to only hold 10 rounds. How did you block it to make it only hold 10 rounds?
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I sent an email to AGP about this question for us Californian's. Here is a screen shot of the email and reply.


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I sent an email to AGP about this question for us Californian's. Here is a screen shot of the email and reply.



Thanks for that e-mail. Darn, looks like a no go for us folk w/ the non-threaded barrel.
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Thanks for that e-mail. Darn, looks like a no go for us folk w/ the non-threaded barrel.
I put one of these stocks on my 10/22 TD (stainless) a couple of days ago. It mesures 26 3/4" with the stock folded. So it is good to go here.
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^^^ I'm guessing this is for the 18" barrel version? Here is a link to the legal forum where this also discussed. It looks like an option is adding a flash hider to an under legal size length will work if the barrrel is threaded ... just make sure it's on tight per the this thread.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=805225
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It is limited to 10 rounds.

I bought those wooden shims you can get at a hardware store (~$2-$3) for like a dozen shims and cut little blocks to place into the mag well. due to the design of this magazine, the spring is from the top so it doesn't interfere with its function. It took a few different tries with the little square blocks to get the right length.

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I am guessing you have that BX-25 modded to only hold 10 rounds. How did you block it to make it only hold 10 rounds?

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Sorry for the crappy pics, but this is my AGP stock with the standard non threaded barrel.
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