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Old 07-08-2013, 9:44 PM
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Default Extreme heat survival shelter

What would you do if you had to be out in the heat of the California Desert during the day, and wanted a shelter?
I ask because I went shooting out in palm springs last weekend, and it was 110. I was dying. My water got hot in its containers, and I even felt like it was hard to breath(i'm kinda out of shape as well but I can usually hike all day without much problem)

I'm curious about two scenarios:

1) a Portable survival shelter that you have to be able to carry without a vehicle.

2) A Portable survival shelter that sacrifices nothing for comfort, but can be carried in the back of a truck. You can even have a generator and air conditioner! The idea here is for outings to the desert and you want a method to get people cooled down before they get heat exhaustion.

Imagine 120 degree heat, and no shade available.I have my ideas but I want to hear yours.
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Old 07-08-2013, 9:58 PM
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Went out to Barstow on the 4th of July, took my swamp cooler, 60 gallons of water and a generator to keep my parents comfortable. My mom sat right in front of the cooler, my dad (former Marine) sat out in the sun. Go figure.

I've spent a lot of time out there in the heat. During the hot part of the day, I hide in a mine shaft which is 30-40 degrees cooler, the air is just a little stale.

As to something that would fit in a backpack, a hooded smock is my choice. Look at the people that live in deserts, they always have on long sleeves, pants (or dress) and something on their head. Drink lots and lots of water before you get there and you will become a natural swamp cooler.
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Old 07-08-2013, 9:59 PM
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For a portable set up my suggestion would be a thick white canvas tarp and a way to support it. At temperatures like that there is not a whole lot you can carry with you to make it more comfortable, just something to get your out of the direct sunlight and LOTS and LOTS of WATER.
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Dont need any of that. Get a large brimmed hat, a muscle shirt and tight pants like thermals. Stay away from cotton. Then put on some clothes a few sizes too big. Or use a light weight robe.

Do not use air conditioners or water sources to cool down. Your body will not be able to cool itself properly if your sweating hard and then move into very humid areas.

Trust me, tight base layer, large robe like outer clothes and a good hat with either 270 degree coverage or a large brim (sombrero).

I have to install point to point wireless systems in the middle of the mojave desert being up on boom lifts for 4-12 hours a day when it gets to be busy. Or we have a link down.

Also do not discount shade, any form of reducing the suns rays helps. But do not cool down for a bit and then go back out. Just shocks your body and makes the heat worse.
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Old 07-09-2013, 1:30 AM
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#1.
Some sort of reflective tarp like the USGI casualty blanket silver side out or a UV resistant tarp, 4 heavy duty tarp clips from home depot as the wind can rip out your eyelets in the tarp pre-rig them with strong rope tie downs (550 cord or something strong) have a couple of strong collapsible trekking poles on hand to help add lift for your tarp. Keep the high side as low to the ground as possible. at least 4 of those heavy duty tent stakes from coleman or harbor freight (They look like big nails) If you have a garden trowl handy it may get you down to some cooler ground but don't go crazy digging, you want to conserve your energy and the moisture in your body as much as possible

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Something portable for maybe 4-6 people?
Sturdy 10x10 pop up canopy securely tied down and staked.
Some UV shade screens for the walls then throw some aluminet over the whole thing. chairs, cots, freestanding rope hammock for relaxing, Have atleast one cooler with dry ice in it to keep your frozen stuff frozen. Pull from that to put frozen drinks in the regular cooler that's accessed frequently.

Keep hydration salts handy for an emergency and copious amounts of gookinade for replacing electrolytes. Dress in lightly flowing layers and keep your skin covered. Bring lots of sunscreen and some solarcaine spray for sunburns. I take a shemagh everywhere I go and soak it when it's really hot and pull it over my head where the wind blows thru it and provides a cooling effect.

d4v0s has some great suggestions above. Know your local emergency contacts route to the nearest emergency services in case you need to get someone out in a hurry and try to stay in cell range. Try to pitch in shade if possible or use natural or found shade and items to add to what you have.

Looking forward to hearing some more ideas as well, great thread Brother!
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Old 07-09-2013, 6:16 AM
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Portable survival shelter -- look to the Bedouin tribes, who have been doing this since before the pyramids were built. Dress as they dress, live as they live. Add in a couple of lessons learned over the last 6000 years and you'll have as good a shot as you're going to get.

Shemagh, total clothing coverage, sunblock for any areas not covered, coupla gallons of water each day, minimal / maintenance only food intake (requires water to process food).

You need not just something to provide shade, you also need either an insulating barrier between you and the sand or you need to dig down to cooler temperatures. Keep in mind in the sandy desert that if the air temps are 120 then the sand temps can be 140. You simply cannot remain on the surface, so go up or go down. The conductive heat from the sand on which you are laying can bake you even worse than the hot air.(http://www.aircav.com/survival/asch13/asch13p01.html
http://faculty.unlv.edu/landau/desertgeography.htm)

If you have the night before to work, dig as deep as you can -- even a foot below the surface and you'll save 20 degrees or more. Here's a simple trench shelter you can make with just a tarp:
http://cleversurvivalist.com/2013/04...r-temperature/

It also works in reverse -- at night, many deserts get dangerously cold, so you must still avoid contact with the surface. Insulate yourself from the surface, or dig deep -- the temp remains more stable the deeper you get.

If you have a truck, then it's all gravy. With something like a ditch witch, you can excavate a completely comfortable space each night, add in swamp coolers and refrigerated beverages -- you might even have a good time
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this might be an idea, would also be handy for an off-grid cabin during SHTF http://www.westernharmonics.com/MiniCooler.html would just need to make sure you have the water to feed it.

they also make a smaller cooler that is self contained http://www.westernharmonics.com/Pet%...ec%20Sheet.pdf

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I live out in the Palm Springs area.....It must have royally sucked shooting in this heat. I usually go up to the mountains to escape the heat during the summer. There are plenty of shooting spots in the mountains near Lake Hemet.

As for a heat shelter, there is not much one can do to escape this heat in the desert without an A/C. I know the local Cahuilla indians used to go up in the Mountains during the hot summers.
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This is outstanding, thanks!

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this might be an idea, would also be handy for an off-grid cabin during SHTF http://www.westernharmonics.com/MiniCooler.html would just need to make sure you have the water to feed it.

they also make a smaller cooler that is self contained http://www.westernharmonics.com/Pet%...ec%20Sheet.pdf
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Go over to PCT Forums those hikers go straight through the desert.
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This is outstanding, thanks!
yeah, and for the pricing, you could not build it yourself probably, ordered one myself today and am going to start repping them in NorCal, would be a nice little addition to my portable solar generator I designed
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this might be an idea, would also be handy for an off-grid cabin during SHTF http://www.westernharmonics.com/MiniCooler.html would just need to make sure you have the water to feed it.

they also make a smaller cooler that is self contained http://www.westernharmonics.com/Pet%...ec%20Sheet.pdf
interesting,
put this cooler in a two man tent and just leave it on.
maybe a enclosed screen enclosure might be helpful.
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Please keep us updated, I'm very interested.

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yeah, and for the pricing, you could not build it yourself probably, ordered one myself today and am going to start repping them in NorCal, would be a nice little addition to my portable solar generator I designed
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This might help! http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/12/c...a-omni-freeze/
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1) a shovel, reflective tarp and water. dig .
2) self sufficient motor home with water and propane full
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I have a portable pop up shade that my brother bought me as a gift. It collapses down into a 20LB or so bag with built in backpack style straps. While it isn't in the list of items I plan to bring with me if I had to get out of town and head for the hills, it is an option if I have extra people and no extra backpacks for them to carry the smaller stuff.

Personally though in a survival situation I'd go with my backpacking tent. It is actually large enough to fit 3-4 people in a pinch, and you can open both doors for ventalation and sit in it to get out of the sun.
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Umbrella. Medium or large one works.
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I would honestly dig a hole/burrow. it would suck, especially considering harder terrain, but it would provide shade and even potentially cooler air when completed, and shelter from the elements later in the night. You may also happen across water.
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Mylar Umbrellas and Tarps are good short term fixes. After a few days the mylar starts to loose it's reflectivity. Carry spares.
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Here is how to survive in hot weather. Follow these rules.


Do not dig a ditch
Do not run... ever
(Above 2 are a great way to die faster, if you dont follow them)

Move slow if you dont have to move fast.
Stand still if you don't have to walk.
Sit if you don't have to stand.
Lie down if you don't have to sit.
Sleep if you don't have to be awake.


Wear long sleeve shirts and pants that trap the water from your body.
Seek shade.
Duel layers of tarps will keep you much cooler then one layer.
I would take two silver tin blankets and layer them.
Clothes are your first line of defense, if there wrong, your in for a world of hurt.

Water in your body is better then in a bottle.
Generally better to stay with your vehicle

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