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Old 03-22-2013, 2:49 PM
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Not sure if this is the right forum but hoping I could get a clear answer. I searched the board and only found a thread on this topic from 2008 and maybe things have changed.

In California in either a house, townhouse, apartment or condo, can you legally carry openly or concealed within your home? I'm not asking about outside hallways, common areas, yards, driveways, etc. Based on other posts I've read, those seem like grey areas that depend on other little requirements or people are trying to interpret the law. I'm only looking for the rules regarding carrying inside your walls.

My understanding is that you can carry whatever you want and however you want inside your dwelling without a permit.

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Not sure if this is the right forum but hoping I could get a clear answer. I searched the board and only found a thread on this topic from 2008 and maybe things have changed.

In California in either a house, townhouse, apartment or condo, can you legally carry openly or concealed within your home? I'm not asking about outside hallways, common areas, yards, driveways, etc. Based on other posts I've read, those seem like grey areas that depend on other little requirements or people are trying to interpret the law. I'm only looking for the rules regarding carrying inside your walls.

My understanding is that you can carry whatever you want and however you want inside your dwelling without a permit.

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yes inside your house it is legal to carry conceled or openly without a permit
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yes inside your house it is legal to carry conceled or openly without a permit
Cody nailed it.

If you want to strip down to your b-day suit and carry your AR you can.
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Thanks for confirming gentlemen. My birthday has past this year but I might try that anyway. haha
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Cody nailed it.

If you want to strip down to your b-day suit and carry your AR you can.
Just close the blinds first.
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Cody nailed it.

If you want to strip down to your b-day suit and carry your AR you can.
It wouldn't be concealed then.
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If you can carry your AR concealed in your birthday suit it would be quite a feat.
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It wouldn't be concealed then.
The OP did say openly or concealed.

Although this guy could prolly carry concealed with no clothes on:
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Let's expand this a bit,
In your yard, front yard or sidewalk?
In any property you rent?
Boat slip, aircraft hanger?
Business or warehouse if you hold the lease?
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Let's expand this a bit,
In your yard, front yard or sidewalk?
In any property you rent?
Boat slip, aircraft hanger?
Business or warehouse if you hold the lease?
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A wealth of information! Thank you for this and all of your efforts, sir!
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Let's expand this a bit,
In your yard, front yard or sidewalk?
In any property you rent?
Boat slip, aircraft hanger?
Business or warehouse if you hold the lease?
read what libraian posted but this is from what I can remember could be wrong

your yard or sidewalk I wouldnt do because I consider that public area

private property or business or place of work(if owner oks it) are legal as long as its owned /rented/leased by a legal citizen or resident

boat slip or hanger would be legal if you were the owner or have permission from the owner IIRC
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Backyard is good too, if no public access. Had a local cop put it this way; "if the mailman can go there, it is public access".
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Backyard is good too, if no public access. Had a local cop put it this way; "if the mailman can go there, it is public access".
Man, I hate to drag this on, but my back yard is fenced with a latched but not locked gate, so the mail man can get there, but has to figure out the gate first. Maybe I should go read the posted info above first. OK, did that,
and behind a gated fence is allowed, esp. given it's not in plain public view from either front, back, or sides of the house. I think the quote is a bit on the side of flippant, but I get his point, and glad I reviewed the details.
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The OP did say openly or concealed.

Although this guy could prolly carry concealed with no clothes on:
This has to be the OP. Right???
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How did you know?!!!

This is why I said the areas outside the house are more difficult to interpret. If the backyard is fenced off and locked from easy access, then I think it's ok. Other yards, sidewalk, or open public areas I wouldn't risk it.
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How did you know?!!!

This is why I said the areas outside the house are more difficult to interpret. If the backyard is fenced off and locked from easy access, then I think it's ok. Other yards, sidewalk, or open public areas I wouldn't risk it.
I was just kidding Anyways I think its better you stay out of view even in your own backyard. A call to the cops from somebody walking by and next thing you know SWAT shows.
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It wouldn't be concealed then.
well .... we could hope it wasn't concealed....BAHAHAHAHAHAAAaa
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If you can carry your AR concealed in your birthday suit it would be quite a feat.
and painful!
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I don't give a crap what the "law" states. I will do whatever I want inside my own home. This is why we have a 4 amendment. As long as what I'm doing doesn't involve hurting another person, what I do in my own home is my business. The law can kiss my you know what.
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I don't give a crap what the "law" states. I will do whatever I want inside my own home. This is why we have a 4 amendment. As long as what I'm doing doesn't involve hurting another person, what I do in my own home is my business. The law can kiss my you know what.
Um. OK.

You do realize that the first reply to the original post correctly pointed out that, inside your house, there are NO legal restrictions on carry.

If you want to talk about any other activity, this is not the forum for it.
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from what I read, you can carry in frontyard if fenced in to hinder public access gate doesn't have to be locked and mailman doesn't count as public. Fenced in yard = private property. An officer parked by the house noticed a person through the frontyard turn to go back inside saw gun in waistband entered gate that was not locked and it was propped open .cop claimed exigent circumstance open door to house entered and caught perp with drugs defense claimed no warrant and no probable cause.judge agreed seeing gun was not pc.also 4th amend was violated ,cop went into unlocked fenced. in yard. the d.a. claimed public property because mailman can go on property judge says public is challenged and fence hinders public acces case thrown out .seeing person with gun is not probable cause. Case was people vs Strider 2009 I think down in socal. Sorry for being redundant blabbing I'm drinking
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I was cleaning my guns with my garage open the other day. I closed the front gate which is a good 100+ plus feet away, with a mailbox outside the fence. Can I holster my SIG while I'm cleaning them and walk into my yard every so often? I don't want some random *** junkie to come into my yard and try to steal my guns or me. People have come into my yard before with no permission that's why.
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Cody nailed it.

If you want to strip down to your b-day suit and carry your AR you can.
Dude, that's the me the minute I get home
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from what I read, you can carry in frontyard if fenced in to hinder public access gate doesn't have to be locked and mailman doesn't count as public. Fenced in yard = private property. An officer parked by the house noticed a person through the frontyard turn to go back inside saw gun in waistband entered gate that was not locked and it was propped open .cop claimed exigent circumstance open door to house entered and caught perp with drugs defense claimed no warrant and no probable cause.judge agreed seeing gun was not pc.also 4th amend was violated ,cop went into unlocked fenced. in yard. the d.a. claimed public property because mailman can go on property judge says public is challenged and fence hinders public acces case thrown out .seeing person with gun is not probable cause. Case was people vs Strider 2009 I think down in socal. Sorry for being redundant blabbing I'm drinking
Not a problem - Strider is the pertinent case, and useful because it provides some kind of limitation.

See also the wiki -- http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Un...oncealed_Carry
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thks for the wiki leak link I remember reading about those other cases on that page need to read more on them.
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My fiancée is currently going through a custody battle with her child's father. He has moved out of state and his mother(daughters grandmother) has been the one to pick up and drop off my fiancées daughter. During her last visit, the grandmother asked if we have servalience cameras ( now understanding why she stands off to the side of the house when picking up) also adding she is a known felon. actually, one of her sons is behind bars for comitting a home invasion.my future inlaws live around the corner from us and since the last visitation we've experienced the same person (unknown)come up to both houses and say "oops, wrong house." This has made me a little uneasy. So the question is, even upon answering the door, can I still have my pistol on my person?

Sorry, kind of sloppy with the improper wording..

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My fiancée is currently going through a custody battle with her child's father. He has moved out of state and his mother(daughters grandmother) has been the one to pick up and drop off my fiancées daughter. During her last visit, the grandmother asked if we have servalience cameras ( now understanding why she stands off to the side of the house when picking up) also adding she is a known felon. actually, one of her sons is behind bars for comitting a home invasion.my future inlaws live around the corner from us and since the last visitation we've experienced the same person (unknown)come up to both houses and say "oops, wrong house." This has made me a little uneasy. So the question is, even upon answering the door, can I still have my pistol on my person?

Sorry, kind of sloppy with the proper wording..

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Standing in your doorway while opening the door would still be in your house and legal but youd have to prove they were trying to harm hurt you the best choice is to not answer the door ........
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So the question is, even upon answering the door, can I still have my pistol on my person?
Yes.

Don't step out on the porch or onto the driveway.

Don't do this, from PC 417(a)(2)
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