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Are you sure your LEO friends aren't recommending Critical Duty and not Critical Defense?
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I built a false wall with drywall on both sides as a target & put 8 wet phone books behind it. Shot it with this hornady round in 45 at about 6-7 yards. I recovered the bullet in the last phone book with zero expansion. It was so perfect I could reload it & shoot it again. I've taken pictures and will be emailing hornady about this.
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Oops on my end, I'm using Critical Duty. Sorry to the OP and members here, my bad. But, I think the Duty and Defense lines are pretty much the same?
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Assault Bullits !!!!
On a more serious note its good stuff the Bullet is great for Self-Defense and the rest of the components are well made and reliable.
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May have to use FMJ in San Francisco, they are trying to ban hollow point ammo. They say it is military ammo even though the military can not use hollow point ammo. What is this state doing to us.
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Its designed with a polymer "flex tip" that is supposed to prevent the cavity from getting clogged when going through barriers. Its inly supposed to deform in tissue or media that simulates tissue like ballistics gel.
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Did pretty good in this guy's gel test (one my favorite youtube gun channels, BTW):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkOV3MJI1FU I actually keep this load in my G35 in my nightstand. Less because I think it's the ultimate SD round, but rather, because it was what Turner's had in stock behind the counter when I walked in a few months ago. |
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I believe Critical Defense expands rapidly and is therefore better for less penetration through interior walls and resulting collateral damage. Critical Duty expands slowly allowing better penetration through walls, car doors, and windshields. They are very different.
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ADD- Looks like I am going to get my answer here from Hornady- The difference between Critical DUTY® & Critical DEFENSE® Last edited by desertexplore; 02-22-2013 at 12:12 AM.. |
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Exactly what I was thinking as well. Thanks again.
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So do I, but I've seen a few videos of the tip getting clogged with clothing/denim, preventing expansion. I too have been thinking about Critical Defense, or Zombie Max, just a different colored tip.
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I'm happy with the buck ammo I buy at Wal-Mart for home defense;
Remington or Federal 115gr JHP for my 9mm's Remington 125 JHPs for my 357 Magnums’ Winchester White Box 230gr FMJ in my 45 Autos I doubt if any evil doer would be able to tell me the difference between bulk and premium ammo. Cheers, W-W
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I have Critical Defense and Gold dots staggered in my 1911 and glock 20. I Like the Critical Defense rounds becuase they feed better in my 1911 and they don't get clogged up with clothing if you're forced to use em in defense.
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A FMJ bullet is built to punch clean holes in paper, while not fouling your gun or the range with excessive lead. This design also causes the bullet to punch through drywall, clothing, and flesh and keep going. Can you say "innocent bystander"? A self defense or home defense JHP is designed to hit the same materials and rapidly expand, thus expending all of its energy in a target or obstacle. This creates huge wound channels and prevents the round from over penetrating and hitting other objects. Fewer unintended consequences. That being said, I'd rather not be shot with a JHP or a FMJ |
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Critical Duty is designed for the FBI penetration tests, i.e., at least 12 inches of penetration in gel after passing through glass/wood/wallboard/etc. |
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I'm a fan of Speer Gold Dot's in my 1911 for home, and Buffalo Bore .38+P LSWCHP in my carry gun.
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Sounds like Critical Defense would be perfect for defending yourself against Vegans!
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I keep my Critical Defense in my spare mag on my HD gun.
Only reason it isn't in the gun is that I like my Remington 124gr +P JHP a little better
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Everything I've read about critical defense seems like a gimmick. It doesn't pass FBI protocols and it seems like they somehow turned that around into a selling point for home defense. If I'm trusting an ammo to protect myself & my family I'm sticking with what's been field tested and reliable. Critical defense had a history of FTF's and any ammo that slaps a different coloured plug and says it's for zombies pretty much confirms to me it's a joke.
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Here's a good but $$$ suggestion.
Any round you buy for HD should cycle reliably thru your firearm. As a test you should run 100 rounds thru your gun and not have any problems other than draining your wallet. In a HD situation you don't want your firearm to get finicky with your selected ammo.
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good round, as long as your gun feeds it, my Sig 1911 hates them but loves Golden Saber
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Critical Defense was designed to be a civilian self defense round. If you want maximum expansion you get CD. If you want barrier penetration then get Critical Duty or some other brand designed for that. Don't compare apples to oranges. Any round that passes the FBI test will by design be harder and expand less. I don't plan on having to shoot through car windshields very often. |
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I got 2 boxes of Duty for free and funny thing now is I probably couldn't find the Defense rounds anywhere in Nor Cal. Since I'm stuck with them, I'm sure the Defense would will work fine in my P226 and Glock 17 if needed. I do like the heavier 135 grain bullet better as well.
Thanks for this thread topic. I know it's a boring topic for some, but I love talking various JHP ammo and performance. |
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