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Old 02-12-2013, 12:44 AM
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Ran into this article today: http://www.gunmart.net/gun_review/mauser_g98/

It outlines a limited run that Mauser did in reproducing the venerable Gewehr 98 rifle in 1998, producing 1998 samples. This got me thinking - what other reproduction rifles have there been on classic designs? Are they as good as the original, or are they just not economically feasible for a lot of companies to do?

A reproduction Krag-Jorgensen, even if the side box magazine is obsolete, would be pretty awesome.
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Old 02-12-2013, 6:51 AM
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There are a bunch of commercial made M1 Carbines.
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Molot makes new 91/30s but I haven't seen them in the U.S. yet

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I think a number of companies have been making M1 and M14 receivers for a while.
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Somebody used to make a .22LR PPSH-41.

My guess is that both the real deal and the .22 would be illegal in CA.
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Old 02-12-2013, 12:22 PM
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Molotov makes new 91/30s but I haven't seen them in the U.S. yet
NO THEY DON'T. Those Molot 91/30's, SKS's, Tokarev & Nagant pistols, etc. are NOT new production. They are reworked original military production guns.
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Old 02-12-2013, 12:38 PM
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Really, those 91/30 sporters that we saw a Molot flyer for, those were old stock that were refurbished? Chrome-line chamber, bore and barrel, they certainly look new in the image http://www.molot-usa.com/product_inf...products_id/62

Maybe just the receiver is vintage but for all intents, this particular model 91/30 appears to be a new gun to me? It looks like new or very re-worked stock, barrel and chamber (receiver?) would be new to be chrome lined?
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Yeah, that KO 91/30M is built up on a reworked original Mosin receiver, bolt, magazine, and stock with a new barrel. They have other models that are just refurbished standard Mosins, but are sold in Europe as legal hunting or target rifles, instead of those horrible, dreadful, illegal, child-killing military rifles.

It's kind of the same game we play with the Lenin-licking liberal lefties here - They hate and ban AK-47's, so you rename the rifle something like the SAK-47A, and eliminate those evil, child-killing, assault rifle features like the bayonet lug and muzzle break.

These are legal, child-friendly, hunting and sporting only Mosins, like the Saiga is a legal, child-friendly, hunting and sporting only AK. The main difference being that these are all made with original parts except the barrel.
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Old 02-12-2013, 1:06 PM
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Probably the most common reproduction C&R firearm out there are all the 1911 and 1911A1 clones.

As mentioned above, there are also M1 rifle and carbine and M14 rifle copies out there.

M1 carbine copies and M1 rifle knock-offs come and go....not much of a market for these with the affordability and availability of the real thing. Most M1 rifle copies use military parts on a new receiver, hence poduction of these depends on an available and affordable supply of original military parts, and when this dries up the manufacture of these copies tends to stop - witness the ones Century Arms made a few years ago, and the Federal Ordnance and National Ordnance ones before that. Since one generally can't own a military M14, there is more of a market for the commercial ones.

There were also copies of the 1903A3 made many years ago by National Ordnance, again using military parts on a newly made receiver.

The problem with reproducing most vintage firearms is the high cost of making them vs. the relatively small market for them, especially when priced significantly above what an original costs.

A lot of replica firearms - like the late Universal and IAI M1 carbines - have terrible quality problems. Even good ones are often too expensive, or appeal to a limited market sector, to compete.

Chinese, Italian, and Spanish arms makers generally are better able to make affordable quality copies of vintage firearms than U.S. makers or other Eurpean nations.
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Zastiva is making a shortened M48 with military type stock and handguard.

http://www.zastava-arms.co.rs/cms/index.php?id=248

Pretty sure this is the "Tanker" rifle everyone's favorite douchebag is marketing.
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Classicarms is selling what look like new production Tokarevs from Zastava in 7.62x25 and 9mm.

They're non C&R and look brand new.
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A lot of replica firearms - like the late Universal and IAI M1 carbines - have terrible quality problems. Even good ones are often too expensive, or appeal to a limited market sector, to compete.
Have to disagree. I picked up a new, unfired commemorative IAI M1.

I'm still breaking it in, but I've not had a problem. I did need a new rear sight aperture. Holds a 1.5moa @100 without trying.

Id actually like to pick up another.
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Since Mauser made those rifles, it's technically a re-issue. They just started making the same rifles they made before. Collectors hold that in higher regard than some other company doing essentially the same thing.

In general, the start-up costs and limited market mean a reproduction is going to cost the consumer more than an original. Sure, the reproduction is going to be brand new, and you can shoot the snot out of it without worrying about anything, but unlike an original, it will never be a collectible. As you know, history matters to collectors.

Reproduction ball and cap revolvers do fairly well in part because they cost a lot less than originals.

Since the 100th anniversary of WWI is around the corner, there might be some interest in some of the arms used in that conflict although I've never heard of anyone doing re-enactments of that war.
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AIA made reproduction Enfields in 7.62 caliber. Apparently now out of business.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...n-lee-enfield/
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I think fulton armory makes m1 garands, I know they do m14s
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