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Old 02-11-2013, 2:39 PM
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Default So I am thinking about getting a Kriss...maybe...

Short version of the story is, I am getting myself a birthday present. I am building an 80% AR and will be done shortly. I jokingly told my wife I wanted a Kriss for my birthday (fully expecting her to veto that plan) and she ok'ed the idea. Now I am torn between getting the neutered CA legal Kriss for 1700$(ish) or searching for something else.

I love the ingenuity that went into the Kriss and would love to own one, but I dont want to get the "oh i really wish i had gotten that gun instead and waited on the Kriss" kind of a feeling. Any suggestions of other rifles to get? As I said, I am building my 80% AR so not really in the market for another one so quickly. I prefer rifles with a more tactical purpose, but am also appreciative of the classics (I own an M1 Garand and love it). I would like to stick around the same price point if possible, but just kind of reassuring myself I am making the right choice.

(for those who are out there thinking it, I would prefer to build my own AK from an 80% and already have plans once the kit i want comes back into stock...might be a while.)
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Old 02-11-2013, 2:58 PM
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A lot of it is lost on being semi auto and the rest of the shine goes out with this being California.
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It's got a big, bulky, expensive mechanism that's meant to help with muzzle climb on full auto that you won't get any benefit from. If you want to get it just because it's cool then go ahead, but considering you could find something else for far less that will perform the same, I'm not sure why you'd want one(other than just because it's cool).
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The .45 carbine went the way of the dodo when 300blk came to be. Some people just haven't realized it yet.

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How are you stocked with ammo? $1,700.00 buys a lot of ammo which may soon become much more precious than a new toy like a Kriss. Just my .02 worth. If you have 20-30k rounds stocked, go for it but if you are not well stocked, cases of ammo make a great BDay gift and are currently the new gold. What good is a new gun if you don't have enough ammo stockpiled for it to shoot it for a few years?

Better yet, a Dillon 550B setup and a lot of supplies (there are some out there, but you have to really scrounge and pounce on them) would be my candidate over a neutered machine gun carbine.
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Old 02-11-2013, 4:50 PM
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Well my father in law has a full reloading setup and plenty of rounds stowed away for range time. I am more looking for a unique weapon system I dont already own. does everyone think the recoil management system really wont work for quick followup shots? It would work even better for full auto, but thats not going to happen....
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You could get a high point .45 carbine for 1/4 the price and it does the same thing.. I don't understand the price behind the vectors ??
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Old 02-11-2013, 5:00 PM
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Merc makes a valid point but if that was the way we think because we are in California then there would be no point in owning anything but a highly accurate bolt action because thats pretty much the only thing that isn't neutered. I want a Kriss bad. They actually sell the pistol version as well which if you put a sling on and a sight would be pretty cool because you wouldnt have the large fake can on it and if you ever move out of state you could build it up properly but if you have no plans on ever moving then getting the neutered one might be best so you could at least shoulder it. The anti muzzle climb V tech is pretty awesome which is you fired off 10 rounds really fast I'm sure would be more accurate than if you did so with a regular .45.

As far as other rifles you could spend a lot of money building a really nice 10/22, the fun in getting all the new components would keep you busy and happy for months.

Or if your into shotguns you could get the KSG for around the same price and it is a pretty interesting weapon.
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I'd buy an M1 Garand and an M1 Carbine or a nice M1911.
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You could get a high point .45 carbine for 1/4 the price and it does the same thing.. I don't understand the price behind the vectors ??
Just like how a Hi-Point C9 pistol is the same as a Sig Sauer P226 X-Five Competition right?
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Narai2001...i have never heard of a hi point carbine being compared to a kriss. While the round is the same, the similarities appear to end there. The big thing that sets the kriss apart is the recoil management system where the hi point does not have anything like that (that i found after a 90second search). I am looking more for a home defense kind of platform vs a 10/22 and i already own an 870 express special shotgun.
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Old 02-11-2013, 5:29 PM
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Old 02-11-2013, 5:56 PM
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It's got a big, bulky, expensive mechanism that's meant to help with muzzle climb on full auto that you won't get any benefit from. If you want to get it just because it's cool then go ahead, but considering you could find something else for far less that will perform the same, I'm not sure why you'd want one(other than just because it's cool).
Kind of like a Colt Python, Wilson 1911, etc.
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Old 02-11-2013, 5:59 PM
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Have you shot a Kriss Vector?
I shot a select fire at a demo, very cool... I really wanted it!
Then I shot the CA model at Field Time... I no longer want one.
The trigger wasn't great in either version, but being fully neutered it becomes just a big odd shaped gun that shoots 45s, not so exciting after all...
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A lot is lost between a short barreled, select fire KRISS, and the 16" barreled semi auto version. Doesn't have much appeal when you take away it's selling points in the original design.
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Just like how a Hi-Point C9 pistol is the same as a Sig Sauer P226 X-Five Competition right?
High point pistols are garbage.. But the carbines are decent.. Like others have said with out the full auto mode the kriss looses most of its intended function
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It's recoil management in a .45 carbine. Does anyone else think that's funny too? Every .45 carbine is recoil management compared to the pistol any man can shoot with ease. I could maybe see a MP5 clone due to cool factor and cheap ammo but I don't get the need for all the doo dads to manage a measly .45 round. Man up and lean into it! That aside it might be a good investment someday the way things are headed.

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Narai2001...i have never heard of a hi point carbine being compared to a kriss. While the round is the same, the similarities appear to end there. The big thing that sets the kriss apart is the recoil management system where the hi point does not have anything like that (that i found after a 90second search). I am looking more for a home defense kind of platform vs a 10/22 and i already own an 870 express special shotgun.
I know about the Kriss and te basics of how it operates.. But honestly .45 in a pistol has some kick (not even as much as its made out be IMHO).... But in a full sized carbine that is being shouldered the "kick" from the .45 being fired semiauto is minimal (full auto maybe a different story where the kriss would likely shine)..
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It's recoil management in a .45 carbine. Does anyone else think that's funny too? Every .45 carbine is recoil management compared to the pistol any man can shoot with ease. I could maybe see a MP5 clone due to cool factor and cheap ammo but I don't get the need for all the doo dads to manage a measly .45 round. Man up and lean into it! That aside it might be a good investment someday the way things are headed.
The select fire (SMG) version really does show off the recoil system during two and full modes.
In single mode it is noticeable however the overall size and shape of the Vector makes single mode followup shots much slower than even a beginner can do with a 1911 or other semi-auto handgun in 45.
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A lot is lost between a short barreled, select fire KRISS, and the 16" barreled semi auto version. Doesn't have much appeal when you take away it's selling points in the original design.
this - its been neutered by the laws. my friend had one and got rid of it.
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A lot of it is lost on being semi auto and the rest of the shine goes out with this being California.
+1. In CA civi legal form, it's a silly impractical carbine.... maybe good for some mall ninja points at the range.
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Not into the mall ninja scene...I might have to put this into extra reloading supplies and doing my AK build. You all pissed in my cherrios, but I appreciate all the points you brought up and (unforetunately) they all seem valid.
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High point pistols are garbage.. But the carbines are decent.. Like others have said with out the full auto mode the kriss looses most of its intended function
Lol, your ignorance is showing. Hi-Point pistols are just as good as their carbines. Just as ugly too, but just as good.
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I spent a little time recently at the range shooting my buddies Kriss.
It was a great gun to shoot.
If I had the dough, I'd love to own one!
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I was always enamored with the Kriss. I just thought it was an amazing gun. I was at the range one day and finally saw one in the wild. I started talking to the guy, he had never shot an AK (I know, right?!..) so I offered to let him shoot mine. In return he asked if I wanted to shoot his Kriss. I had a hard time containing my excitement, and shot 5 rounds.

It wasn't what I was expecting. It was really fun for those 5, but it lost a lot of the glamor I had for it. The feel is alright (it needs a forward grip), there is a lot of muzzle climb, but the long barrel and semi auto just takes so much from it. It was fun, but I was fine putting it down after 5 rounds, not even a full mag.

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The .45 carbine went the way of the dodo when 300blk came to be. Some people just haven't realized it yet.

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Sureeeee. 300blk is a useless round unless you're running a suppressor, but since that has no way of happening in this state, I see it as useless. It fills a need that simply doesn't exist. A .45 carbine fits quite a few purposes
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You could wait for the K10 which will come in 9mm, .40, and .45acp. Kriss Vector has known issues with shooting reloads and also for the bolt locking back. Its meant for full auto use, shooting it semi-auto is kinda like trying to drive a top fuel dragster through city streets, wasn't meant to do that.
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I have had the CA legal version for 6 months and love it. I bought it with the TAC PAC which was pretty cool as well. I have loved this weapon since I have first seen it. Feels super slick in your hands and when you shoot it. I don't like shooting anything with a bullet button but the law is the law. Recoil is sweet and .45 ACP will knock anybody down. I definetly recommend it.
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The gun is designed for being full auto with little recoil, semi auto version is just a giant heavy handgun, far better stuff out there you could buy. Unless you have to get something that looks cool which it does.
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Never shot one my brothers friend had one at his house for a bit and i got to handle it for a bit has good feel to it kind of one of those think that are cool cause there diffrent but without full auto its annother carbine like any other realisticly
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I, too, was enamored with the Kriss until I shot one. I then shot my buddy's SBR'd UMP in AZ; that changed everything for me.
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The KRISS is a great carbine. Works as advertised. Slick and ergonomic. As well as a genious design. Buy it, youll love it.
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Keep in mind that if SB-47 passes you have until December 31, 2013 to buy it and then you will never be able to get one unless you move to another state.
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Great design, but I think the consensus is that in California, you end up with an expensive toy. I am all about pistol caliber carbines, I have an Uzi, but it certainly is a chunk of change for something that is so far from it's intended, designed-for use (FA SMG). My Uzi is really the same thing, the original SMG Uzi is a classic but by the time you get one in California legal condition, it has become neutered pretty far from what it was designed for. I bought it purely because I always wanted an Uzi.

If you want the Kriss and have the $$ to afford, go for it. Just know what you are getting. I would consider stopping by Island View Enterprises in Ventura and shooting one though. They have one in rental and most people who shoot it like it, but after shooting it, few buy one.
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I'll vouch for whoever said a Hi Point is garbage, they cannot be compared to a Kriss. I've shot a Hi Point 9mm carbine and this is what I found: trigger sucks, inserting magazine takes some force to seat, their mag lock is proprietary and sucks as much as the rest of the gun and it's one ugly mother effer. get a Kriss while you can
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