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Old 09-21-2018, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by CVShooter View Post
Funny thing, though. Most Israeli Zionists aren't religious at all. Over 80% of Israelis practice no religion at all. Theodore Herzel, David Ben Gurion and nearly all the "founding fathers" of the modern state of Israel were either agnostic or atheist. Most were fed up with the idea of waiting for God & the Messiah & thought that Jewish people needed to take matters into their own hands. That is why most Orthodox Jews still don't recognize the state of Israel (they are still patiently waiting for their Messiah). Orthodox Jews only participate in civil government, not matters of state or international affairs.
Combined with their close ties to communist, socialist & other ideas we Americans find appalling, it's a wonder why we support the modern state of Israel as much as we do. I'd say the Israelis must be incredibly good at diplomacy. In the wake of WW2, they were gathering money from the Americans (much of it private donations from Christian Zionists) and the British while buying weapons from Czechoslovakia and other communist regimes. The Kibbutz system, now mostly a relic of bygone days, was among these early communist experiments. I guess the only way we work with our enemies is through mutual friends.

Granted, that all may not matter much to you. The modern state of Israel might not have much bearing on your personal belief system at all. Can't say I know enough about you to know if it factors in at all. But it's worth keeping in mind.
There are many people here in the USA that are Christians in name only. Oh, they may attend a church now and again but know little if anything about Christianity or what is actual in the Bible. How many have read the Bible cover to cover repeatedly and studied its contents would you guess? How Godly would say our leaders are? Does truth, honor, character, or faith actually really play a part in their lives? Would the nation be better off if they did? When you hear the Star Spangled Banner can you honestly answer Yes to the last line? The nation has changed vastly during my lifetime and not for the better. Israel as any nation led by men is not perfect look at the United States and its history. Before any American criticize Israel about the splinter in their eye they first should remove the log in their own eye.
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