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Zenja 05-02-2013 5:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Ricigliano (Post 11212243)
No. This is incredibly stupid.

Agreed

Gavelek 05-02-2013 8:19 AM

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Originally Posted by njineermike (Post 11243242)
If you're not looking for a confrontation, why ask an inflammatory question?

I've read way more inflammatory stuff here, no harm done, just a discussion going

Tanner68 05-02-2013 8:34 AM

Look at the ground of the parking places and hoods of cars just outside the metal target handgun range. There is lots of splashed lead flying back out through the firing line and onto the cars and pavement. So you have airborne lead, particulate and bigger solids. And the baby can't say if the ear protection is on correct. I would say not the wisest move.

MustangSteveGT 05-02-2013 9:00 AM

Benefits do not outweigh the potential risk. I would not.

Rm7pr 05-02-2013 9:38 AM

Thumbs down

njineermike 05-02-2013 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Gavelek (Post 11244880)
I've read way more inflammatory stuff here, no harm done, just a discussion going

1: Taking a child someplace and leaving a loaded weapon around are 2 seperate issues

2: Mind your own business.

Paper Boy 05-03-2013 2:17 PM

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Originally Posted by njineermike (Post 11246581)
2: Mind your own business.

So when your getting mugged you would rather bystanders "Mind their own business"?

Good to know.

Extreme example yes but both can result in permanent injury. Just saying.

njineermike 05-03-2013 2:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 8voice8 (Post 11256148)
So when your getting mugged you would rather bystanders "Mind their own business"?

Good to know.

Extreme example yes but both can result in permanent injury. Just saying.

So can deciding to stick your nose into someone elses business.

five.five-six 05-03-2013 2:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fortified Peasant (Post 11212213)
No, primarily because of lead in the air... Hearing loss and eye injury would be a second concern even with hearing protection...

THIS,

After beign at the range, i leave my shoes outside. lead plays havoc on developing brains.

Paper Boy 05-03-2013 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by njineermike (Post 11256293)
So can deciding to stick your nose into someone elses business.

I'll keep that in mind keyboard commando :rolleyes:

Zedrek 05-04-2013 8:53 AM

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Originally Posted by njineermike (Post 11246581)
1: Taking a child someplace and leaving a loaded weapon around are 2 seperate issues

2: Mind your own business.

I stop minding my own business when it involves a baby that can't speak up for themselves. The OP was just putting a question out there for discussion.

Oh, and you could of minded your own business by not coming on here and saying something. :oji:

njineermike 05-04-2013 8:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 8voice8 (Post 11259822)
I'll keep that in mind keyboard commando :rolleyes:

Tell you what. Next time somebody is doing something with thier kids you feel is inappropriate, feel free to saunter on up and correct them. I'm sure that will go well.

njineermike 05-04-2013 8:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Zedrek (Post 11261824)
I stop minding my own business when it involves a baby that can't speak up for themselves. The OP was just putting a question out there for discussion.

Oh, and you could of minded your own business by not coming on here and saying something. :oji:

He asked, I answered. Also, none of your business.

Zedrek 05-04-2013 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by njineermike (Post 11261861)
He asked, I answered. Also, none of your business.

He didn't ask you specifically. You could of minded your own business and not said anything but instead you do the very thing that you are chastising him for.

five.five-six 05-04-2013 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by njineermike (Post 11261852)
Tell you what. Next time somebody is doing something with thier kids you feel is inappropriate, feel free to saunter on up and correct them. I'm sure that will go well.

Inappropriate and having the likelihood of causing a lifetime brain injuries not exactly the same thing


Are you the type of person that sees a car the mother forgot and left the baby carrier with the baby on the roof just the mind your own business let her drive off?

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njineermike 05-04-2013 1:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Zedrek (Post 11262407)
He didn't ask you specifically. You could of minded your own business and not said anything but instead you do the very thing that you are chastising him for.

You could have minded yours as well. He asked, I answered.

njineermike 05-04-2013 1:54 PM

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Originally Posted by five.five-six (Post 11262538)
Inappropriate and having the likelihood of causing a lifetime brain injuries not exactly the same thing


Are you the type of person that sees a car the mother forgot and left the baby carrier with the baby on the roof just the mind your own business let her drive off?

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Oak Tree is an OUTDOOR rifle range.

Are you the type that walks up to a parent at McDonalds and stops them from feeding the kid french fries?

Boltz 05-04-2013 4:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PassTheAmmo (Post 11215036)
I may be paranoid, but I have a brand new baby and I won't even hold her after I get home from the range. I want to decontaminate first and get the lead off. Kids supposedly absorb lead much faster than adults. There is a great article about it on corneredkitten.com IIRC.

I take my boys to the range but only outdoors. Not to an indoor facility. If they are there, I'm not shooting at all. I'm 100% dedicated to whichever boy is shooting. I feel like they are old enough to be there when they can take it seriously (safety), stop on a dime (safety), fit into eyes and ears properly (safety), and can refrain from putting their fingers and other objects in their mouths (safety/lead poisoning). There is a trend there.

Good on you, we need more responsible gun owners/parents like you.

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Originally Posted by njineermike (Post 11263754)
Oak Tree is an OUTDOOR rifle range.

Are you the type that walks up to a parent at McDonalds and stops them from feeding the kid french fries?

I remember watching that video from China a few months ago where a young child got hit by a vehicle and was laying on the ground hurt while many people just walked by her. You sound like you would do the same thing.

njineermike 05-04-2013 4:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Boltz (Post 11264591)
Good on you, we need more responsible gun owners/parents like you.



I remember watching that video from China a few months ago where a young child got hit by a vehicle and was laying on the ground hurt while many people just walked by her. You sound like you would do the same thing.

All these morons like the above sound like the anti-2A bozos with the absurd leaps of logic. A father walking with his kid into an environment no more dangerous than the car ride there is suddenly equated to sitting idly by and watching children die. Congratulations.

XVIga_Rob 05-04-2013 7:14 PM

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Originally Posted by covingtonhouse (Post 11233213)
RSO's actually let this guy stay with not one but three distractions? Was he shooting while holding dogs and kid? Or was it a team effort at introducing distractions?

He was pushing baby in a stroller while walking 2 dogs. He was not shooting, just watching from the sidewalk behind the trap field. When he arrived, I overheard another person ask if the baby had ear protection and his answer was no. To each his own, but my 9yr old and I were wearing ear protection all day, shooting or not!

This was not at the same location as the OP, just occured on the
same day.

leadchucker 05-04-2013 10:37 PM

Some of you guys are WAY overdoing the lead-phobia. If you want to take extreme precautions, fine, but realize you're likely the victim of California brainwashing. I'm not saying lead is never a potential health issue, but I seriously doubt miniscule amounts of lead vapor at an open air range is an issue worthy of discussion. As far as the baby goes, the issue regarding hearing protection far outweighs any concern of lead poisoning IMO.

five.five-six 05-05-2013 6:10 AM

Did you grow up near a freeway back when it was legal to put lead in gas? Yes, lead is very harmful in small amounts to kid's brain development, French fries, not so much.

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Jaybird 05-05-2013 9:00 AM

Just sounds like father and son bonding time... nothing wrong with that. Probably couldn't find a babysitter. Maybe he was giving his baby it's first lesson in gun safety like in that movie "Shoot 'Em Up". At least he didn't leave the baby in the hot car to suffocate. I've seen and heard of worse fathers. This guy is not so bad.

turkeyenchilado 05-05-2013 9:42 AM

Im a father of 20 moth old and 4 year old .I want to take them to range but for now i just wait till heir a little older for now .i teach my four year old about fiirearm safety. For now I take him fishing and teach him about wild life and the enviorment .In due time we will be hiting the shooting range and dove season.enjoy your kids

mofojoe 05-05-2013 10:28 AM

Some people are just plain stupid

Zedrek 05-05-2013 12:17 PM

Here is an interesting study from the Center for Disease Control regarding both lead exposure and noise exposure to instructors and students at an outdoor range in California
PDF

It basically states that the lead levels were present in some areas but that it did not exceed safety levels. It did however say that earmuffs alone did not provide adequate hearing protection and that plugs should be used in conjunction with them. That being said, I would not bring a newborn to the range because of cross contaminating of lead. All the dad needs to do is touch contaminated surfaces and then the baby's pacifier and now it is exposed. Here is another article from the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry that tells of the dangers of lead exposure in children who have rapidly developing nervous systems.
http://www.aacap.org/cs/root/facts_f...n_and_behavior

I really need a life.

leadchucker 05-05-2013 12:53 PM

I wouldn't trust the Federal Center for Disease Control to be truthful and unbiased where a liberal political agenda is remotely involved- as in the issue of lead.

RMP91 05-05-2013 1:49 PM

This is exactly how the antis are gonna get back at us.

I won't be surprised if/when they sic Child Protective Services on the father and he never sees his kid again.

"Control the children, and you'll eventually win".

letsgosteelers 05-05-2013 3:50 PM

I don't know what this has to do with minding your own business :confused:

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you tell me, would you bring your BABY to a shooting range?
It was a question, he didn't intervene.

sheesh

my answer....No, I would not

Tpatrior03 05-05-2013 4:38 PM

total moron.

JohnCCW 05-05-2013 5:42 PM

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Originally Posted by leadchucker (Post 11269871)
I wouldn't trust the Federal Center for Disease Control to be truthful and unbiased where a liberal political agenda is remotely involved- as in the issue of lead.

I'm with you Leadchucker. People today are raising a bunch of asmatic ADHD fatbodies... Never leave the house, drink soda all day...
I grew up eating lead shot in game, and chewed on lead .177 pellets when we were shooting our air guns (all the time) in my youth.
The amount of airbourne lead exposure at an open air range has got to be ridiculously small.
As for the noise, I'd be more careful about that.

I took my Lab, when he was a puppy, to a trapshooting club to get him acclimated to gunfire. I only got as close as I felt comfortable without my muffs. Worked like a charm. Puppy went from terrified to ho-hum in 5 minutes, then went home. He was retrieving Doves in the field before he was 6mo old. Best dog/friend I ever had. Had to put him to sleep at 13yo this week due to degenerative myelopathy.

Zedrek 05-06-2013 3:23 PM

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Originally Posted by leadchucker (Post 11269871)
I wouldn't trust the Federal Center for Disease Control to be truthful and unbiased where a liberal political agenda is remotely involved- as in the issue of lead.

Ummm, they said that the lead levels were acceptable so I'm not sure where you are going with that?

Jet Setter 05-06-2013 4:35 PM

That is child abuse as far as I am concerned. What an arse of a dad.

five.five-six 05-06-2013 6:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Zedrek (Post 11269663)
Here is an interesting study from the Center for Disease Control regarding both lead exposure and noise exposure to instructors and students at an outdoor range in California
PDF.



That's for adults. What's acceptable for small kids is much lower.

We are talking about a kid losing IQ points for a lifetime, and we have a thread 1/2 full of MYOB :facepalm:

leadchucker 05-06-2013 10:47 PM

Somehow I missed where the dad was letting the baby crawl in the dirt in front of the firing line.:facepalm:

five.five-six 05-06-2013 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by leadchucker (Post 11282110)
Somehow I missed where the dad was letting the baby crawl in the dirt in front of the firing line.:facepalm:

Somehow I missed where that was the only way possible to poison the child with lead :facepalm:

leadchucker 05-07-2013 7:53 AM

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Originally Posted by five.five-six (Post 11282125)
Somehow I missed where that was the only way possible to poison the child with lead :facepalm:

It's not, but it ain't gonna happen by just carrying him around an open air range for a day, or two, or even three. Get real.

five.five-six 05-07-2013 8:08 AM

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Originally Posted by leadchucker (Post 11283593)
It's not, but it ain't gonna happen by just carrying him around an open air range for a day, or two, or even three. Get real.

Citation needed.

Kids stick everything in their mouth all you have to do is brush up against the wall with the kids blanket done deal

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Zedrek 05-07-2013 1:07 PM

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Originally Posted by leadchucker (Post 11283593)
It's not, but it ain't gonna happen by just carrying him around an open air range for a day, or two, or even three. Get real.

Do you really want to play russian roulette with your baby's health?

alxmad 05-07-2013 1:48 PM

STUPID PEOPLE
 
I guess everybody knows why HE got a Second Term....America Land of the Gay and Stupid Citizens!!!


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