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Originally Posted by TRICKSTER
(Post 12172678)
The tinfoil hats here talk about shooting first and asking questions later during the service of lawful warrants because they don't like the way the cops dress or the tactics that they use and seem to be under the impression that almost every warrant is a no-knock warrant being served by government agents there to suppress their rights. Some of them have actually suggested that police should have to "phone ahead of time" to notify the subject of the warrant that they are coming.
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In all honesty I think about this from time to time. While I am not a LEO, I am not a cop basher and sometimes I can and do get carried away, but it is all in fun. HOWEVER, with that said, you should consider the other side of your argument. I know because I was a CEO and once I was inside a house or on a property and did not like something that I had seen, it only took a phone call to get backup and more friends there to bust that place wide open. I only did that to one or two people my entire 12 years as a CEO, but consider this; the next time I get cop knocked at 2:30 in the morning and someone says that they have a warrant and they are there to arrest me, I have some decisions to make, are these really cops or is this just a home invasion (because they DO happen). If they are police then they should have a warrant but what will happen when I open that door? Warrant or not I am getting invaded and since I am not doing anything illegal and I can not see ANY logical reason why I would have a party of two or three guys on my doorstep then I have to decide to shoot and defend or not shoot and possibly become a victim.
Then there is the youtube videos that I have seen a few of where even nice dogs might get shot. We love our two dogs to death and we would be very upset if they were shot in our house, that could all snowball into something worse.
Then there is the contraband thing. Yes, folks we all know what that is. Hey that looks like an assault weapon! We will take it for evidence, but no, it is an unregistered ak pistol that I built and did not get around to registering because I had not put any serial numbers on it. Well some folks might call that illegal when it is not. Who am I to argue? Just your average guy now who has too many toys leftover from when he had a job. Might I see that back? Probably not since RPD made me show receipts to get my last guns back to prove that they were mine. Hey they were taken from my house in the first place and none of them were stolen. Yet I had to file motions to get them back. There was nothing illegal about them.
I can only hope that RPD would serve a warrant in a lawful manner and to me that means handing me the paperwork and waiting for a few minutes while I call them at their published number and verifying or dialing 911 and asking for RPD to show up. If they attempt to enter the house while I am on the phone or verifying things then that would send up red flags to me because they had no reason to do that. Let's supposed they kick in the wrong door and wake me up and for whatever reason happen to start a fight in the house. Great, now I am the bad guy automatically because I might have shot one or two or at them in defense of my life and thinking that I am in a home invasion scenario now. Things will not end well for ME no matter what if they are real cops, and things might not end well for me if they are not cops but indeed really robbers.
With the way that this world is going and the news and social media and the internets giving us all of this information, it is no wonder that more people don't die from exploding heads.
And yes, If you meet me in real life you would think I was a totally cool guy, maybe a bit sarcastic at times, but a cool guy that knows a few things and is cool to hang with.
I can not help but have these thoughts though because I have already been exposed to these awful stories and videos. They are with me forever. And the last time I was cop knocked the two that did the knocking were totally cool and I felt like they were friendly enough to let inside so I was hospitable to them (but the lights stayed off cause I did not want to wake anyone up) and even though they saw some things that I had out and they started asking if they were assault weapons, a simple no sufficed and they were soon on their way and all because the rain made my line dial 911... That was a great contact and I really appreciate it, but I was told by others that it could have gone a different way.
So what are we to do? It seems like any more police show up at my house and I could be in a catch-22... I have made up my mind that if they are professional then that is how I will treat them, but if they kick in the doors and there is no logical explanation for that kind of treatment, that they might not be police and they might be okay to open fire on (while I try to dial 911 as well).
So ya see, that is just the way that it is with some folks. I never want to fire on a LEO but I hope that any that would pay me a visit would continue to have that same attitude of me.
Sorry for the wall, I saw a lot of haters in OT and I agree, that place is foul, then I lost access to it because someone did not like my picz and when I came here to ask a simple question, I saw that it was read 78 times, but maybe I was blacklisted here for some reason because there was one or two replies and they were not as detailed as I had hoped, but hey they put my mind at ease along with what I heard today. And then I see this thread and I see forum folks here talking smack on other calgunners. I get it, there will always be sides. It is sad that even as a gun community things are like this, but oh well. I can't fix it so I will just install networks for folks instead and hope for a better tomorrow.