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MisterD 12-05-2011 9:39 PM

<-interested

IntoForever 12-05-2011 10:50 PM

In original 'sport' configuration, this should not need a magazine locking device. I'm down for whichever version is cheaper.

tvfreakarms 12-06-2011 3:37 AM

Im interestrd on the ak saiga 12

littlerocket 12-06-2011 6:47 AM

Interested as well. Maybe in for 2 if my bro wants one too.

Ak714 12-06-2011 5:18 PM

So it's the standard version then there is no need for the BB...can we get the price a bit lower? When and how payment is gonna be handle?

dwmmatt23 12-06-2011 5:26 PM

Im buying one when your ready

the_natterjack 12-06-2011 5:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IntoForever (Post 7618510)
In original 'sport' configuration, this should not need a magazine locking device. I'm down for whichever version is cheaper.

Incorrect I belive, semi auto shotgun with detachable magazine is an AW. Double check the AW flow chart.

I am also interested pending price and an FFL in my area who is willing to receive a S12.

Brian

Jax Smirking Revenge 12-06-2011 5:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_natterjack (Post 7622746)
Incorrect I belive, semi auto shotgun with detachable magazine is an AW. Double check the AW flow chart.

I am also interested pending price and an FFL in my area who is willing to receive a S12.

Brian

Yep. Semi-auto shotgun with detachable magazine is a big no-no in California. Therefore any configuration of Saiga-12 will require a bullet button. Also, bear in mind that you can convert these to a pistol grip configuration without any problems with the law but they may not have any other "evil" features without being an assault weapon (ie: no adjustable stock or vertical fore grip).

That being said, I may be in for as many as four of these. I will PM you with the exact count.

protoolsnerd 12-06-2011 6:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_natterjack (Post 7622746)
Incorrect I belive, semi auto shotgun with detachable magazine is an AW. Double check the AW flow chart.

I am also interested pending price and an FFL in my area who is willing to receive a S12.

Brian

Correct , because it has a removable mag and is a shotgun it is in the AW category of sorts. All saiga 12s require a bullet button in Kalifernia, featureless or not

protoolsnerd 12-06-2011 6:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jax Smirking Revenge (Post 7622776)
Yep. Semi-auto shotgun with detachable magazine is a big no-no in California. Therefore any configuration of Saiga-12 will require a bullet button. Also, bear in mind that you can convert these to a pistol grip configuration without any problems with the law but they may not have any other "evil" features without being an assault weapon (ie: no adjustable stock or vertical fore grip).

That being said, I may be in for as many as four of these. I will PM you with the exact count.

+1

This is great info , and correct . You can move the trigger guard, add a pistol grip, get some work done on the gas system and get some new furniture up front. Add a muzzle break ( as long as the word flash hider doesn't come up ) But no adjustable stocks and no forward grips

Ak714 12-06-2011 6:05 PM

So when, how, and who do we pay?

protoolsnerd 12-06-2011 6:09 PM

As to when, i'll post an update as soon as Atlantic has them in stock .... Should be later this week or early next week from what i was told.

All the transactions will be through Atlantic directly .

MasterYong 12-06-2011 6:53 PM

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Originally Posted by protoolsnerd (Post 7622942)
As to when, i'll post an update as soon as Atlantic has them in stock .... Should be later this week or early next week from what i was told.

All the transactions will be through Atlantic directly .

Could you elaborate on what you mean by the "newer model???"

Your post doesn't label either model as such.

protoolsnerd 12-06-2011 7:09 PM

Neither of the models above are technically the newest production run.

The difference is that now the guns aren't produced with a side mount optic rail and the formerly pixelated stamps from the importer are now not pixelated out ....that is the only difference .

The model we are choosing is nearly identical to the non converted model in the original post but with the differences i explain above in this post. I have an email into atlantic to make sure that if we did so desire we could have an optic mount installed aftermarket. I think this may have to do with importing shotguns that aren't considered sporting guns ...but i could be wrong about that .

Big-Kr3w 12-06-2011 7:24 PM

Im in for atleast 1, would like to ask which FFL everyone is using? maybe an FFL on this board would like to get in on this thats located in the IE.

Ubermcoupe 12-06-2011 7:37 PM

If I ordered on via the GB could I also have Atlantic to modifications in addition at my own expense before them shipping it out? I am thinking about a gas system upgrade. Thanks.

bubbapug1 12-06-2011 7:46 PM

Darn, I just bought my second one last month for $700.00...patience sometimes comes in handy. Plus it probably needs to gas holes drilled!!

Well, someone is getting a smoking deal. You can't go wrong with a saiga, they are tough guns, and they are versatile too, plus less recoil than a pump BY FAR.

I recommend you all buy a recoil pad just to make it shoot like a mercedes.

MasterYong 12-06-2011 8:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by protoolsnerd (Post 7623351)
Neither of the models above are technically the newest production run.

The difference is that now the guns aren't produced with a side mount optic rail and the formerly pixelated stamps from the importer are now not pixelated out ....that is the only difference .

The model we are choosing is nearly identical to the non converted model in the original post but with the differences i explain above in this post. I have an email into atlantic to make sure that if we did so desire we could have an optic mount installed aftermarket. I think this may have to do with importing shotguns that aren't considered sporting guns ...but i could be wrong about that .

Hmmm... I've owned an s12 for about 18 months and there is no side-mount optics rail...

MasterYong 12-06-2011 8:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbapug1 (Post 7623636)
Darn, I just bought my second one last month for $700.00...patience sometimes comes in handy. Plus it probably needs to gas holes drilled!!

Well, someone is getting a smoking deal. You can't go wrong with a saiga, they are tough guns, and they are versatile too, plus less recoil than a pump BY FAR.

I recommend you all buy a recoil pad just to make it shoot like a mercedes.

Recoil? They have less recoil than a .308! No recoil pad is needed unless you have shoulders of butter...

Also, $500 is a decent deal but nothing crazy. I paid less than that OTD ~18 months ago. For those willing to wait 6+ months, the price will go down. There's just this "sporting" scare going on right now. Remember 2008??? Obummer?

GatorHunter 12-06-2011 9:03 PM

I want one hope they have enoughf!!! Anyone know of anyone in sacramento or around their that will accept the shipment from Atlantic firearms? Thanks.......

MasterYong 12-06-2011 9:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorHunter (Post 7624198)
I'm in for a converted for around 4 or 5 that would be a good deal. I would need to know who would accept the package in my area though.

CONVERTED for $400-500??

Excuse me...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

bubbapug1 12-06-2011 9:37 PM

[QUOTE=MasterYong;7624088]Recoil? They have less recoil than a .308! No recoil pad is needed unless you have shoulders of butter...
QUOTE]

Try 150 rounds of trap and get back to me...I like the pad, and it makes the gun fit me better.

Exposed 12-06-2011 9:41 PM

Im very interested. I have wanted one of these for a couple years now but always seem to put other guns in front of the list. Tagged.

MasterYong 12-06-2011 9:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bubbapug1 (Post 7624412)

Try 150 rounds of trap and get back to me...I like the pad, and it makes the gun fit me better.

150 rounds? Is that all? That's only 15 mags... I've done at least four times that shooting trap loads.

OOO buck doesn't even have much recoil in a SA shotgun. I've put over 100 shells of OOO through my saiga in a day no problem, no bruises. Mine is bone stock too, except for the bullet button and poly choke II, which I open up to cylinder for OOO anyways so it may as well not even be there.

If it fits you better that's good, but it seems a bit silly to me to act like trap loads have strong recoil in an S12.

protoolsnerd 12-06-2011 9:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MasterYong (Post 7624063)
Hmmm... I've owned an s12 for about 18 months and there is no side-mount optics rail...

Not sure what the difference is between your saiga and the ones with the side mounted optic rail . I would ask someone who i more knowledgeable on saiga 12s . All i know is what i read and what i've learned from different dealers.

my guess it's the ability to do something like this

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=saiga...t:429,r:3,s:36

Not that the rail is included but it has points where it can be mounted.

protoolsnerd 12-06-2011 9:44 PM

[QUOTE=MasterYong;7624440]
Quote:

Originally Posted by bubbapug1 (Post 7624412)

150 rounds? Is that all? That's only 15 mags... I've done at least four times that shooting trap loads.

OOO buck doesn't even have much recoil in a SA shotgun. I've put over 100 shells of OOO through my saiga in a day no problem, no bruises. Mine is bone stock too, except for the bullet button and poly choke II, which I open up to cylinder for OOO anyways so it may as well not even be there.

Do me a favor, if you want to thread crap, do it elsewhere. This is not a discussion about saiga 12's , or buckshot or recoil....this is about a group buy if you're not interested , please do not continue to post in this forum

MasterYong 12-06-2011 9:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by protoolsnerd (Post 7624441)
Not sure what the difference is between your saiga and the ones with the side mounted optic rail . I would ask someone who i more knowledgeable on saiga 12s . All i know is what i read and what i've learned from different dealers.

my guess it's the ability to do something like this

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=saiga...t:429,r:3,s:36

Not that the rail is included but it has points where it can be mounted.

Well mine has the mounting points for sure, just no rail. They got rid of the mounting points? Lame.

protoolsnerd 12-06-2011 9:48 PM

Yes, it probably has to do with making it a non-sporting shotgun. But i assume we'll be able have the points machined in

tvfreakarms 12-06-2011 9:52 PM

So these saiga s12 from atlantic doesnt have the rail side mount?

tvfreakarms 12-06-2011 9:53 PM

Dang i was hoping for the rail side mount and the converted s12.

MasterYong 12-06-2011 9:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by protoolsnerd (Post 7624465)
Yes, it probably has to do with making it a non-sporting shotgun. But i assume we'll be able have the points machined in

I know!!!!

So, there's a maximum number of holes they're allowed to drill, so they stopped drilling the side mounting points to be able to properly drill the gas tube!!!

I keed of course. I got lucky with the one I already got, shoots everything with no mods, don't even have to use the gas adjustment knob.

MasterYong 12-06-2011 9:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tvfreakarms (Post 7624500)
How about converted s12? Not enough people in the group buy?

I'd be down with a converted model, but the Atlantic versions are a bit vanilla, IMHO. Also, their prices for the converted model, given the parts they use, are absurd.

I'd rather convert one myself, since I already have one in sporter config. Honestly, I've shot both and I think the sporter model handles much better. Some say the trigger is better when it's converted but we're talking about a shotgun here, not a precision rifle, so I don't even notice.

Atlantic Firearms 12-07-2011 3:58 AM

MasterYoung , we would be glad to sell you the sporter so you can preform your own conversion.

operator13 12-07-2011 4:13 AM

tagged

GatorHunter 12-07-2011 6:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MasterYong (Post 7624305)
CONVERTED for $400-500??

Excuse me...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!



Well price doesn't matter but hopefully it will be better that 750 as theirs a store near me selling at that price already. Saigas use to be dirt cheap and now we have to do group buys for a good deal.

skyscraper 12-07-2011 6:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorHunter (Post 7625450)
Well price doesn't matter but hopefully it will be better that 750 as theirs a store near me selling at that price already. Saigas use to be dirt cheap and now we have to do group buys for a good deal.

Correct, but at no time were they selling for 4-500 already converted. If you found one near you for 750 converted, jump on that deal. The money I spent on the conversion kit for mine was 300 alone (tromix stock, pistol grip, new trigger).

Tagged for group buy price. Atlantic is the man.

hcbr 12-07-2011 9:59 AM

ugh... i've already sunken my monies to another gun...nooooooo! ...btw this is awesome though for a deal!

aznwolf118 12-07-2011 11:20 AM

interested and pending price

tvfreakarms 12-07-2011 1:13 PM

Well its the regular s12 w/o the side rail which is unfortunate. I would rather go for the converted version with the side rail at group buy price if possible.

LBDamned 12-07-2011 2:20 PM

so am I understanding correctly - the price is $500 plus shipping for non-railed version? (based on yesterday's update in original post)... Or are we waiting for cheaper price?...


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