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Gray Peterson 10-14-2010 11:31 PM

Ventura
 
UPDATE (2014 April 12): The sheriff now accepts "self-defense" as sufficient Good Cause.

According to the VCSO "CCW Policy" (.pdf linked at: http://www.vcsd.org/ccw-permits.php), under "2. QUALIFIED APPLICANTS":

g. For purposes of this policy in reference to good cause, a need for personal safety or self-defense is currently satisfactory, depending on the ultimate appellate outcome of Peruta v. County of San Diego.

squee116 02-14-2014 4:27 PM

Now that Peruta has given us hope, has anyone tried contacting the Sheriff's office to see if policies are going to be changed? Is that even smart at this juncture?

kemasa 02-14-2014 4:39 PM

Here is his statement:

Quote:

Community Message has been issued by the Ventura County Sheriff's Office.

Friday February 14, 2014 11:31 AM PST

Sheriff Dean Comments on Federal Court of Appeals Decision on Cal. Concealed Weapons Permits #sheriffvc

Nature of Incident: Sheriff Comments on Federal Court of Appeals Case Decision Regarding California Concealed Weapons (C.C.W.) Permits

Location: Ventura County
Date & Time: February 14, 2014 @ 11:30 a.m.
Unit(s) Responsible: Sheriff’s Administration

Narrative:
A three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit made a significant ruling regarding the issuance of concealed weapons permits and what criteria may or may not be used in denying a permit. California laws currently authorize citizens to carry a concealed weapon upon receiving a permit that is based on a showing of good cause to need to carry, having good moral character, and passing a background check.

The court has struck down the good cause portion of the current law. Our legal staff is actively reviewing the case to clearly understand what guidelines will now be in place. I will, of course, comply with those guidelines and make changes in our current policy as soon as the details are clarified.

Prepared by: Sheriff Geoff Dean
Media Release Date: February 14, 2013
Follow-Up Contact: Sheriff Geoff Dean (805) 654-2315

###

For full details, go to https://local.nixle.com/alert/5147024/?sub_id=524859.

glock22fs 02-16-2014 10:32 PM

So I actually talked to Sheriff Dean in person about his CCW policies a few weeks ago asking about his wildly varying acceptable GC statements and he said he wouldnt issue to "Average Joes" because he wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing he allowed normal citizens to carry guns. I suggest we all pitch in to buy him some ambien :)

One78Shovel 02-17-2014 2:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glock22fs (Post 13457979)
So I actually talked to Sheriff Dean in person about his CCW policies a few weeks ago asking about his wildly varying acceptable GC statements and he said he wouldnt issue to "Average Joes" because he wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing he allowed normal citizens to carry guns. I suggest we all pitch in to buy him some ambien :)

That's why Dean is an Un-Constitutional Sheriff and needs voted out at first opportunity

-178S

Edgy01 02-24-2014 8:12 PM

That's just it. I'd rather see "normal citizens" having the license!

Dan

Quiet 02-28-2014 4:20 PM

Ventura County Sheriff's Department just implemented a new change to their carry permit issuance policy.

http://www.vcsd.org/pdf/26160_CCW_po...ded022114A.pdf
Quote:

2. Qualified Applicants
g. For purposes of this policy in reference to good cause, a need for personal safety or self-defense is currently satisfactory, depending on the ultimate appellate outcome of Peruta v. County of San Diego.

PistolGuy 03-03-2014 6:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quiet (Post 13551815)
Ventura County Sheriff's Department just implemented a new change to their carry permit issuance policy.

http://www.vcsd.org/pdf/26160_CCW_po...ded022114A.pdf

I saw this too and was interested but this part stumps me a little.

"For purposes of this policy in reference to good cause, a need for personal safety or self- defense is currently satisfactory, depending on the ultimate appellate outcome of Peruta v. County of San Diego."

So, our 'self defense' good cause is ok? For now? With the Attorney General appealing it, what does that mean?

*Zombie Killer* 03-03-2014 7:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PistolGuy (Post 13574804)
I saw this too and was interested but this part stumps me a little.

"For purposes of this policy in reference to good cause, a need for personal safety or self- defense is currently satisfactory, depending on the ultimate appellate outcome of Peruta v. County of San Diego."

So, our 'self defense' good cause is ok? For now? With the Attorney General appealing it, what does that mean?

It appears that using "self defense" or "personal safety" as a "good cause" is sufficient. However, the outcome of Peruta could change that back to it's original policy.

PistolGuy 03-05-2014 6:13 PM

I think I may go for it after reading this today ...

http://bearingarms.com/ninth-circuit...ards-v-prieto/

Paladin 04-11-2014 8:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quiet (Post 13551815)
Ventura County Sheriff's Department just implemented a new change to their carry permit issuance policy.

http://www.vcsd.org/pdf/26160_CCW_po...ded022114A.pdf

Sounds like we NEED some "clean" applicants to apply IMMEDIATELY to find out if they, in fact, will issue for mere "self-defense."

If they do, then we need to get as many CGNers as possible to apply so that even if Peruta gets pulled and Ventura could legally go back to restrictive issuance they won't because of the political cost.

RedMonkey 04-12-2014 5:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paladin (Post 13857618)
Sounds like we NEED some "clean" applicants to apply IMMEDIATELY to find out if they, in fact, will issue for mere "self-defense."

If they do, then we need to get as many CGNers as possible to apply so that even if Peruta gets pulled and Ventura could legally go back to restrictive issuance they won't because of the political cost.

There's a couple of threads on the subject. Someone mentioned VCSD had received or has appointments made for around 3K applications since the announcement.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=905138

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=897159

Ironspirit 04-28-2014 11:13 AM

VCSD CCW
 
I called two weeks ago and have my appointment second week of June.

court 05-08-2014 2:47 PM

Just dropped my application
 
I literally just delivered my application,did my fingerprinting, and paid the fee. I have to admit that the staff was extremely friendly and helpful. Now the wait begins.

Roterhd 10-28-2014 2:12 PM

I have been waiting since May, got called for the interview last week, go in tomorrow. Glad I don't need to talk to a lawyer..yet.

vega 11-19-2014 4:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roterhd (Post 15155705)
I have been waiting since May, got called for the interview last week, go in tomorrow. Glad I don't need to talk to a lawyer..yet.

You should have your plastic card by now.

Capybara 11-20-2014 1:27 PM

My appointment for Livescan was on April 16th, 2014. I just received the call to pick up my hard card on December 4th, 2014. So the process took a little under 8 months to complete. Utterly ridiculous. Now that Peruta seems to be progressing toward becoming the law of the land, the state needs to set up the process through your local DMV. There is absolutely no reason why it should take three quarters of a year to receive your CCW. It should be one appointment at the DMV for instant Livescan, fingerprints, issue the CCW, just like they do in most other states. I hope that we can continue to petition and sue our way toward this goal. Just like the handgun roster and almost all gun laws in this state, the tyrants have engineered the process to be as painful, time consuming and expensive as possible in order to discourage the less resilient and stubborn amongst us from exercising our civil rights.

The entire process as it sits is punitive and arbitrary. Happy that I am going to be able to legally carry to protect myself and my loved ones but the process was expensive, time consuming and just plain dumb. Protecting your life is a natural, civil and Constitutional RIGHT, not a waiting game with multiple visits, payments, appointments and other bureaucratic obstacles. How it got to this, I don't know, but now that gun owners have some judicial momentum with the courts, we need to parlay this state back to a level of sanity.

keithcap 01-14-2015 10:44 AM

Ventura Sheriff Dean Turned me down again
 
I don't know folks, I have not as much as ever gotten a speeding ticket in my 59 years on this planet. The first time I applied for my CCW, it was just a flat out NO, they said there was no justification and that I should keep pepper spray with me.

Today after paying the $125.00 application fee six months ago, explaining my business of carrying expensive equipment for my business and just the fact of personal safety, they have denied me again saying its because of my "moral characteristics." What the hell does that mean? If anybody has morals and ethics it's me!

Keith

Sabesimpson 01-15-2015 8:15 PM

There is nothing on your record at all? Any law suits, police contact? Seems like anything "negative" in your file can constitute poor moral character.

silvergreek 01-24-2015 6:42 AM

I applied , on 6.24.14 wwas fast scanned. On 12.14.14 was interviewed. The detective reviewed a traffic accident, a class action case with a name similar to mine, no relation, asked me why I am requesting a CCW. I replied defense and for frequent family travel from home in ventura county to san franciso where there are significant areas of dead cell phone coverage, where I would not have capability to call 911.

she reported that the sheriff would rule in about 60 days.

Can anyone respond how longit took for the sheriff's final determination?

should I call for a status after the 60 days?

Are there any experiences in ventura county with your application

BTW. A friend applied inorange county andit was processed and approed in 45days

thanks. In advance

silvergreek 01-24-2015 9:29 AM

No law suits , 1992 one court case regarding a civil suit settled before tria over employment contract. I work for the govtand hold a secret clearance and utah , nevada and Florida ccws. Also a captain usmc and a commercial pilot

gml223 01-24-2015 9:36 AM

My time line for the process so far

June 17, 2014 Submitted Application, Live Scan prints, pay initial fee
Nov 26, 2014 Interview
Jan 22, 2015 Letter received that the background was completed, called for appointment.
Feb 4, 2015 date scheduled to pay final fees and turn in class docs

Sabesimpson 01-24-2015 2:48 PM

Silver you may want to post this in the "main" ventura county thread not many people come to this one anymore. I believe this it the link. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...897159&page=42

Or on the Cg main page click on the genrperal discussion

Dirtbikindad393 02-18-2015 3:08 PM

Bang! Just wanted to bring this up a little since nobody has come here in a while!

noozeyeguy 03-27-2015 11:58 AM

Well, in view of the en banc Peruta rehearing I guess it's time for me to get off my lazy duff and get this process moving. A couple questions for anyone who's gone before:

One, in 1991 (IIRC) I was arrested on suspicion of DUI in San Diego County. I pled to a "wet" wreckless. Is that a misdemeanor or infraction? I can't find a definitive answer and have no clue where any of the paperwork from then might be. Disclose or no? I'm leaning "disclose" but would like to hear from anyone with similar circumstances.

Two: Is the general consensus that "self-defense" is sufficient cause to request? I do have an FBI warning issued to my industry a few months back, warning us that people in my line of work are explictly targets for jihadist attack. In addition, there are recent documented cases of colleagues in other California cities who have been violently attacked in the field. (Suffice to say that Mr. Peruta and I are in the same industry.) Should I add that info or no? Again, any guidance or opinion would be welcomed.

Post up or PM.

Paladin 06-23-2015 4:47 PM

I posted the below in the Concealed Carry Discussion forum and, in order to ensure the greatest number of Ventura folks see it, am posting it here. Usually cross posting is bad form, but since this is for a vital cause, I think an exception is warranted.

If you Ventura folk like this idea and want to run with it, I suggest you get in touch w/CGF as well as the NRA and start a dedicated thread to this project in the CA Political Activism forum.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paladin (Post 16501618)
Folks, instead of cursing the darkness, why don't you try lighting a candle?

Instead of complaining how long it takes the sheriff to review apps and issue CCWs, why don't you get in touch w/the County Supervisor for your district and tell them you want them to give the sheriff additional funding/manpower/whatever so that he can get through the backlog of apps faster? Organize Ventura CGNers so that ALL county sups are hit w/load of calls, emails, faxes, letters.

After all, waiting 1 year to get a 2 year permit is just DUMB!!!

http://www.ventura.org/board-of-supervisors

Probably best to first contact H. Paul Payne of the NRA to see if he can help or give advice:

H. Paul Payne, NRA Liaison to the Executive Vice President
3565 La Ciotat Way, Riverside, CA 92501
(951) 683-4NRA Office (951) 779-0740 Fax
nrausmc@earthlink.net Email
http://www.calnra.com California NRA Web Site

A little initiative, organization, and leadership can go a long way.... :oji:


kemasa 06-23-2015 4:56 PM

Do you really think that the delay is due to a lack of manpower? Why do you think it takes so long even for a renewal?

Graymark 06-25-2015 8:27 PM

After 9 months finally got the call
 
I turned in my application and did live scan on 9-19-2014. Have nothing in my history. Stopped by the department back in February and they said they had just started on August. Went back in late April when doing jury duty and guess what, still working on August. June is almost over...... Anybody later than me been called for their interview? -UPDATE: 6-25-2015 got the call for interview this morning. Have hope!

PistolGuy 09-02-2015 3:00 PM

Anyone have any updates? :oji:

xjrguy 09-02-2015 4:15 PM

I applied back in August 2014. I picked up my hard card earlier this week. :)

glbtrottr 12-31-2015 11:18 AM

Out of curiosity - how's the Ventura process coming along?

baggss 01-01-2016 11:27 PM

Looks like it's still at about a year from initial application to issuance there's a better thread in the CC discussion forum.

Paladin 01-02-2016 8:56 PM

SteelRain82 posted this link in an OT thread:

Ventura County requests for weapons permits soar after San Bernardino attack

http://www.vcstar.com/news/local/ven...364005941.html

kelutz 01-04-2016 1:22 PM

Just submitted my application this morning! Wish me luck. Hopefully in about a year I will have a CCW!

rnjscooter 01-09-2016 8:20 PM

My App appt is Mar 4, Ugh. Gonna be a LONG time for me lol...........

irx 01-11-2016 5:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rnjscooter (Post 17487562)
My App appt is Mar 4, Ugh. Gonna be a LONG time for me lol...........

I'm a few days before you. I called VCSO 12/8/2015 for their earliest appt and it was 01/02/2016. I didn't take that spot because I didn't have my handguns yet... Called 12/21/2015 for the appointment... earliest was 03/01/2016. I wonder what it's at now.

rnjscooter 01-11-2016 6:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irx (Post 17497669)
I'm a few days before you. I called VCSO 12/8/2015 for their earliest appt and it was 01/02/2016. I didn't take that spot because I didn't have my handguns yet... Called 12/21/2015 for the appointment... earliest was 03/01/2016. I wonder what it's at now.

you actually didn't have to have your gun yet, you just needed it by the day you turn in the app so you can list it. I know, cuz I kinda did the same thing. Should have just done it. I bet it takes us 15 months..........:(

irx 01-12-2016 9:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rnjscooter (Post 17497824)
you actually didn't have to have your gun yet, you just needed it by the day you turn in the app so you can list it. I know, cuz I kinda did the same thing. Should have just done it. I bet it takes us 15 months..........:(


My understanding was that I would need the gun with its info on the application day. I just got a PPT for the handgun I intend to have on my list this week so I wouldn't have been able to make it to the Jan 2 date.

It probably will take 15 months unless the sheriff starts having others approve the applications. I'll apply for some out of state ones in the mean time.


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mdwbbi 02-04-2016 6:33 AM

Turned in my app yesterday. Arrived about 30 min early. The clerk had no problem taking me right then, as it was pretty empty there. They were very nice, a pleasure to work with. Was in and out of there in 20 min (fingerprinting took the longest, as the machine is very picky with the quality of the prints). Then at the end, was quoted 10 months until I hear back!! Ugh!

Bfoster133 02-05-2016 1:14 PM

Hey guys! first post, just wanted to say, just made an app to turn in my paperwork today (2-5-16) and my app is for 6-7-16.. thats what the timelines at right now to just turn in a new app for anyone wondering


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