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mtsul 08-16-2014 11:25 PM

What gear/equipment do you carry/get issued? All branches
 
First off thank you for serving! You all have my prayers

A complete inventory list. Of gear ect everything!
I was just wondering what you guys have on you?
A total list/inventory all gear, mags, ammo, and weapon, socks ect everything
Also I was wondering if some is required? Or can you pick and choose?
And what is something you bring as a must have? Or upgrade?

say the Marines, with the giant packs?

And not just for BOB but for combat for you guys

Snoopy47 08-17-2014 5:19 AM

I'm not following.

They issue everything. Way more than we need, or want to bother with.

pterrell 08-17-2014 5:47 AM

72 hr pack? Ammo, water, more ammo, one MRE, more ammo.

stitch_paradox 08-17-2014 8:08 AM

May i ask why do you want to know?

mtsul 08-17-2014 9:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Snoopy47 (Post 14683488)
I'm not following.

They issue everything. Way more than we need, or want to bother with.

You don't use you own sling? Or change anything? Or carry anything extra? Snacks? Or anything?

And what is "everything"? Could you break it down? Like an inventory list?

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Originally Posted by pterrell (Post 14683519)
72 hr pack? Ammo, water, more ammo, one MRE, more ammo.

That's all that's in those huge packs? How much ammo? How much Water?

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Originally Posted by stitch_paradox (Post 14683809)
May i ask why do you want to know?

General curiosity, I have always wondered what you carry

pterrell 08-17-2014 9:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mtsul (Post 14684126)
You don't use you own sling? Or change anything? Or carry anything extra? Snacks? Or anything?

And what is "everything"? Could you break it down? Like an inventory list?



That's all that's in those huge packs? How much ammo? How much Water?



General curiosity and I was putting together a BOB 72 hour pack and wanted it geared more towards military than a standard one
But most of all I have always wondered what you carry

Most of the time, personal gear is not authorized by your command. Maybe a Leatherman/Gerber and a folding knife but beyond that kind of thing, if it isn't issued, you aren't using it. By anything he means we get a lot of stuff that is pretty useless 99% of the time. Only time I've ever used my canteen cup or canteens was boot camp, yet they're still issued. Same with water proofing bags.

The 72 hr packs are the assault packs (school backpack size) and not the main packs. In those, depending on your position in the fireteam, you will carry about 300 rounds of ammo for yourself, between 6 and 10 magazines, a can or two of ammo for the saw gunner, spare barrel for the saw gunner, as much water as you can carry and maybe an mre that you've broken down so it fits better and weighs less.

It isn't a good idea to use a military issue loadout as a template for a BoB. We generally operate under the assumption that food and water will be provided, one way or another, every 24 - 48 hrs depending on your mission. We also would be carrying stuff that we need, finger print scanner/camera, for our job that would be completely pointless for you getting out of a shtf situation. A better place to look for what to pack is a backpacking guide. Things like a water filter, fire starting equipment, shelter if you aren't confident in building your own, etc. The only thing you would add to that guide is a field repair kit for your weapon(s), ammo, and magazines.

Cpl. Haas 08-17-2014 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by pterrell (Post 14684201)
It isn't a good idea to use a military issue loadout as a template for a BoB. We generally operate under the assumption that food and water will be provided, one way or another, every 24 - 48 hrs depending on your mission. We also would be carrying stuff that we need, finger print scanner/camera, for our job that would be completely pointless for you getting out of a shtf situation. A better place to look for what to pack is a backpacking guide. Things like a water filter, fire starting equipment, shelter if you aren't confident in building your own, etc. The only thing you would add to that guide is a field repair kit for your weapon(s), ammo, and magazines.

Quoted for emphasis... the gear you're asking these guys about is designed around combat; not emergency survival. If you're trying to come up with a BoB, you're looking at survival gear and weapons/ammo for self defense, not offense.

If you're really set on mimicking military survival gear, you wanna look toward the CMU-33A Airsave vests that pilots and aircrew carry... we're the only ones I can think of who truly carry a "survival kit" because, if we're on the ground, it means we're surviving and evading; not fighting. The vest is molle, and the pouches can be customized and loaded with whatever minimum survival gear you feel you'd need... the radio pouch could be used to carry a poncho, survival blanket, or other shelter-making item. You could also attach the pockets in a way that allows you to wear a backpack over the vest and still have access to all worn gear.

On the topic of backpacks... one of the best sources for basic 72hr survival backpacks is Mormon/LDS supply companies. You can buy pre-made kits like these, which come with a cheap backpack... and then transfer everything to a better quality pack that you could add a few more molle pouches to.

Another advantage to the CMU-33A/backpack combo is that you can't always wear a backpack. Driving with a pack on, for example, would be challenging... but you can wear a -33A while driving; that's why we wear them while flying. Let's say you're in a theoretical scenario where sh*t has begun to hit the fan and you're trying to bug-out: you've loaded you pack and long guns/ammo in the vehicle, and you're wearing your -33A and a pistol... suddenly, things go from bad to "oh, f**k!", and you have to abandon your vehicle in a hurry and run for your life. You've just lost your pack and long guns... but you're still wearing your -33A with minimal survival gear an a pistol for defense.

mtsul 08-17-2014 10:43 AM

Awesome info thanks!

And just general curiosity what gear do you wear? Helmet, goggles? Ect?

Snoopy47 08-17-2014 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mtsul (Post 14684126)
And what is "everything"? Could you break it down? Like an inventory list?

Chemical gear, gas mask
helmet
eye pro
goggles for the helmet
trench shovel
winter gear
sleeping bag

just stuff upon stuff, none of which would seem to be useful in say a natural disaster or city wide riot situation.

evidens83 08-17-2014 11:13 AM

I could've sworn OP's question is straight out of one of them OPSEC/PERSEC classes I'm forced to take every year ;):iggy:

rero360 08-17-2014 12:10 PM

Army issued equipment sucks, always have, probably always will. I always use as much of my personal equipment as possible as its lighter, stronger, and more comfortable.

ldsnet 08-17-2014 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mtsul (Post 14684126)
General curiosity and I was putting together a BOB 72 hour pack and wanted it geared more towards military than a standard one

Without the training to go with it, the equipment list is virtually worthless.

Over the years I have deployed with Marines and Navy Seals; what the various units carry is based on their training and what they think they will need based on intel and mission experience.

There are training avenues available that teach a bit about movement, and tactics. Get a few classes, gain a little experience and build an equipment list that works for you, in your situation, in your environment.

I have worked with my local county Search and Rescue unit for more than 15 years - in that time my pack configuration is vastly different than say a person that graduated the academy a few years ago, the difference? My experience of what I need and where I need it. I still have the entire required list, but things I need and use are much more accessible than other items.

Gawernator 08-17-2014 2:06 PM

OP is Chinese collector? lol

pterrell 08-17-2014 2:10 PM

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Originally Posted by evidens83 (Post 14684734)
I could've sworn OP's question is straight out of one of them OPSEC/PERSEC classes I'm forced to take every year ;):iggy:

Not really. Nothing we get issued is particularly fancy. Most of it is the same thing that was issued in Vietnam just with a new coat of paint so to speak. Now, if he were asking about the countermeasures systems on the aircraft, yes, I would agree with you.

Gawernator 08-17-2014 2:13 PM

"80 percent of intel is open-source"

Cpl. Haas 08-17-2014 3:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mtsul (Post 14684565)
Awesome info thanks!

And just general curiosity what gear do you wear? Helmet, goggles? Ect?

You asking me, or the ground combat guys?

For me, it's basic Tom Cruse Cosplay: flightsuit, boots, gloves, dogtags, helmet, and vest with basic survival gear.

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Originally Posted by evidens83 (Post 14684734)
I could've sworn OP's question is straight out of one of them OPSEC/PERSEC classes I'm forced to take every year ;):iggy:

Only if you tell him about the cloaking devices and miniature black helicopters... :TFH:

Fjold 08-17-2014 3:39 PM

16 Poseidon C-3 intercontinental ballistic missiles, 4 Mk45 nuclear torpedoes, 8 Mk48 conventional torpedoes, selective-fire M14's, Ithaca model 37 shotguns and Colt 1911 45ACP pistols.

Gawernator 08-17-2014 4:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Fjold (Post 14686159)
16 Poseidon C-3 intercontinental ballistic missiles, 4 Mk45 nuclear torpedoes, 8 Mk48 conventional torpedoes, selective-fire M14's, Ithaca model 37 shotguns and Colt 1911 45ACP pistols.

They better all have low-capacity magazines! Think of the children!

Is that a hunting ICBM or for "self-defense"?

Gawernator 08-17-2014 4:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cpl. Haas (Post 14686023)
You asking me, or the ground combat guys?

For me, it's basic Tom Cruse Cosplay: flightsuit, boots, gloves, dogtags, helmet, and vest with basic survival gear.



Only if you tell him about the cloaking devices and miniature black helicopters... :TFH:

Combat AC :facepalm: :p

pterrell 08-17-2014 4:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gawernator (Post 14686323)
Combat AC :facepalm: :p

You need to add "Including our own" to your patch :rolleyes:

Cpl. Haas 08-17-2014 9:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Gawernator (Post 14686323)
Combat AC :facepalm: :p

Pfft! Ain't much combat for us... we snicker every time the Navy refers to the P-3 as a "weapons system"... :p

chris 08-17-2014 9:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pterrell (Post 14684201)
Most of the time, personal gear is not authorized by your command. Maybe a Leatherman/Gerber and a folding knife but beyond that kind of thing, if it isn't issued, you aren't using it. By anything he means we get a lot of stuff that is pretty useless 99% of the time. Only time I've ever used my canteen cup or canteens was boot camp, yet they're still issued. Same with water proofing bags.

first off it has to be issued which in my command it's not. I have all my own personal stuff on my IBA. never had an issue downrange with it either except the IBA when the Army said personal armor cant be used. but I still used my own MOLLE pouches and so on. never had anyone say squat then and today either. it's nothing that would cause attention.

now some guy wearing Multicam that is not issued Army wide well that would get you into some trouble.

Gawernator 08-17-2014 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cpl. Haas (Post 14687997)
Pfft! Ain't much combat for us... we snicker every time the Navy refers to the P-3 as a "weapons system"... :p

It does make things boom

ParkwayDrive 08-18-2014 5:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pterrell (Post 14685672)
Not really. Nothing we get issued is particularly fancy. Most of it is the same thing that was issued in Vietnam just with a new coat of paint so to speak. Now, if he were asking about the countermeasures systems on the aircraft, yes, I would agree with you.

Specify which branch and MOS you are talking about. Giving that answer for a general question asking what the military is issued couldn't be more wrong.

At least in the Army, it can be broken down by MOS and unit as to what gear and weapons you will be issued. Some S-1 clerk is not going to get half the gear/weapons an infantryman will get.

OP, it sounds like you're asking so you can put together an airsoft kit. You have it written all over your posts and I'm not going to help. The information is out there if you want to find it, but even if you're not some airsofter, people are going to take your questions the same way I have on other forums. It shouldn't be hard to find by researching it yourself.

pterrell 08-18-2014 8:04 PM

I'm referring to the standard Marine Corps issue. 99% of the time, our mos doesn't change what gets issued

ParkwayDrive 08-19-2014 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by pterrell (Post 14693917)
I'm referring to the standard Marine Corps issue. 99% of the time, our mos doesn't change what gets issued

Gotcha it seemed like you were saying the entire military was like that.

Anthracis 08-19-2014 11:36 AM

Kevlar undies
Prayer booklet
Beads (don't ask)
Chocolate
Roll of pennies
Rainbow wig
Pair of Timberlands
Airsoft m4 with orange flash hider
Warface implementation manual
Box of pastel crayons
Prepaid cell phone with 20 minutes of unlimited text/web/data
Porno mags
3 D cell batteries for marital aids (hearts and minds)

I'm sure other operators will chime in with their FiD kits
Oh...and don't forget the alpha hotel repair kit (ML Thursdays).

:D

Manolito 08-19-2014 1:06 PM

Lets see what to learn. Frank is a bubble head machinists mate rode a fast attack the way his list is configured. The P-3 is a weapons system if you hit them on the head with a buoy. The only bad part of being on P-3's is you have to go to Coronado and Warner springs for the fun stuff. Prisoner 48here. Riding around on three engines so you conserve fuel and can stay longer is real commitment.

What did they say Military and intelligence doesn't go together. When you get notice imminent attack get drunk and fall asleep. When the village is empty get up and look around stuff to hit the fan.

My favorite line in a movie don't take that well what should I take? More ammo dude.

Gawernator 08-19-2014 1:43 PM

Modern day load out:

Porno mags
Porno hard drives
Porno SSD
Porno SD card
Porno DVD's

Pre-workout powder
Creatine
Protein mix
Shaker bottles
PT belt
Towel
Video game system

Lube
Spandex PT clothing

kingofbattle 08-23-2014 5:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Gawernator (Post 14698362)
Modern day load out:

Porno mags
Porno hard drives
Porno SSD
Porno SD card
Porno DVD's

Pre-workout powder
Creatine
Protein mix
Shaker bottles
PT belt
Towel
Video game system

Lube
Spandex PT clothing

You forgot the Copenhagen.

Mr.Caketown 08-25-2014 12:48 AM

You want to see my OCIE/CIF paperwork ? Its like 7 pages long

Maddog5150 08-25-2014 2:34 AM

one forty-five caliber automatic; two boxes of ammunition; four days' concentrated emergency rations; one drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills; one miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible; one hundred dollars in rubles; one hundred dollars in gold; nine packs of chewing gum; one issue of prophylactics; three lipsticks; three pair of nylon stockings. Shoot, a fella' could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff.


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Originally Posted by BrianDavis (Post 14736886)
You want to see my OCIE/CIF paperwork ? Its like 7 pages long

No ****. Last time I was made to go through OCIE, the Sgt asked me, "Jesus Christ, look at all the **** you have! Why are you in my office?"

"Because my chain of command wouldn't take no for and answer and wants me to get more ****."

And to think, if you're missing just one damn little thing, they will want their money whether you wanted all that crap or not.

ParkwayDrive 08-25-2014 10:58 AM

Three day supply of K-rations, chocolate bars, Charms candy, powdered coffee, sugar, matches, compass, bayonet, entrenching tool, ammunition, gas mask, musette bag with ammo, my weapon, my .45, canteen, two cartons of smokes, Hawkins mine, two grenades, smoke grenade, Gammon grenade, TNT, THIS bull****, and a pair of nasty skivvies!

Gawernator 08-25-2014 2:29 PM

Ahahahaha

RangemasterP226 08-25-2014 2:44 PM

OP is:

1. 14 years old
2. ISIS operative
3. Ferguson protester
4. Other, fill in the blank

pterrell 08-25-2014 5:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ParkwayDrive (Post 14738871)
Three day supply of K-rations, chocolate bars, Charms candy, powdered coffee, sugar, matches, compass, bayonet, entrenching tool, ammunition, gas mask, musette bag with ammo, my weapon, my .45, canteen, two cartons of smokes, Hawkins mine, two grenades, smoke grenade, Gammon grenade, TNT, THIS bull****, and a pair of nasty skivvies!

Ahahaha! Priceless and so true even today!

19K 08-27-2014 12:57 PM

More stuff than you'll want or need. And talking about useless stuff hmm. E tool carrier. Compass pouch. Car Window breaker. Ecwcs gear, Especially if deploying to the Middle East. Mosquito net. Daps system. Camel back.

ParkwayDrive 08-27-2014 1:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 19K (Post 14754204)
More stuff than you'll want or need. And talking about useless stuff hmm. E tool carrier. Compass pouch. Car Window breaker. Ecwcs gear, Especially if deploying to the Middle East. Mosquito net. Daps system. Camel back.

What else are you going to carry your e-tool in?

What else are you going to carry your compass in?

Car window breaker- perhaps pointless but most guys I knew kept their window breaker/seat belt cutter in their POVs.

ECWCS is useless? Tell that to the guys in Fort Drum. I guess you've never been to Afghanistan.

Mosquito net- Depends on where you're stationed.

Daps- extremely useless, I agree.

Camelbak is useless? Know how I know you're a pog?

I'll agree some of the gear they issue us may be useless (not a lot) but the items you listed were terrible examples.

Gawernator 08-27-2014 1:18 PM

How is a camelbak useless?! Lol I'm a "POG" and even I know

ParkwayDrive 08-27-2014 1:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Gawernator (Post 14754332)
How is a camelbak useless?! Lol I'm a "POG" and even I know

Lol no idea man. The CamelBak is probably the most useful piece of gear.


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