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Handshaker 06-13-2019 8:48 PM

Air shotgun help for snakes
 
Ok I live on property, while i can shoot firearms on my property, its not a good idea for me to shoot rattlers in the summer due to dry grass fires and i dont like to get close enough to shovel them. Whats the best option for an Air shotgun? I have looked at reviews for the Gamo Express but all i can find is its for small snakes. I want one that will kill large rattlers in dry grass a few feet away.
thanks for any help.

67Cuda 06-13-2019 9:27 PM

If you have a revolver, buy snake shot.

waynesworld12 06-13-2019 9:37 PM

Leave them alone

Handshaker 06-13-2019 9:59 PM

I have a revolver with snake shot, They can still start a fire in dry grass. I'll make you a deal Waynesworld, I drop every rattler i find on your doorstep and see how self righteous you become, lol. If i could, i would shoot every rattler until they are extinct.

Barbarosa 06-14-2019 5:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handshaker (Post 23105971)
I have a revolver with snake shot, They can still start a fire in dry grass. I'll make you a deal Waynesworld, I drop every rattler i find on your doorstep and see how self righteous you become, lol. If i could, i would shoot every rattler until they are extinct.

I'm with you on this one. If they are out on a trail somewhere I leave them be; but on my property they get snakeshot or a shovel. I care more about my grandkids, dogs and horses than some snake.

Half Cocked 06-14-2019 9:27 AM

Here is a review of the Seneca air shotgun.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1489197

ZirconJohn 06-14-2019 9:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waynesworld12 (Post 23105910)
Leave them alone

I approve this ^^^ post :)

sealocan 06-14-2019 9:41 AM

I don't know of a good a good air shotgun to recommend but let me repeat a suggestion I've given before to with anyone with an issue with rodents or snakes.

Put up lots of owl boxes/ owl nests (very easy to make yourself or you can buy them online).
once owls are in your neighborhood they will stay there continue willing to raise their young ones in that area, unless you run out of mice and snakes.

Let nature's professional night Hunters go out and hunt for you at the same time night when the snakes are out doing their nighttime hunting.

Even if the snakes they are just killing the smaller ones it will mean less big snakes down the road for you. Another plus is instead of wasting that meat once you shoot it, this method would help feed your young upcoming night Hunters.

I think the great horned owl is the one you want to attract for the larger snakes but any type is better than nothing.

P5Ret 06-14-2019 9:55 AM

How about cutting the dry grass. Kind of like giving them less place to hide and also mitigating the fire danger in the first place, some thing that all of us who own rural property should be doing constantly.

hermosabeach 06-14-2019 9:59 AM

10/22

no real muzzle flash... all the powder can burn in the 16" barrel

or step up to a PCP rifle... 22 or 25 caliber

eviioiive 06-14-2019 10:03 AM

Regular pellet rifle?

ZirconJohn 06-14-2019 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barbarosa (Post 23106458)
I'm with you on this one. If they are out on a trail somewhere I leave them be; but on my property they get snakeshot or a shovel. I care more about my grandkids, dogs and horses than some snake.

Be a hero and relocate - your grandkids may learn very important lessons from grandad in both rattlesnake safety and men taking care of wildlife ... ALL forms of wildlife.

Also, if I may say: teach your young how to ID various snakes in your neck of the woods ... it will help to make them THINK when they out playing in the grass and brush where snakes live.

Keep them safe through knowledge and self discovery. It's like firearm safety - you CANNOT be there 100% of the time, so you teach them what to do when in the vicinity of a gun and no adults around. Okay, now what to do when discovering a snake and no adults around to hold their hand, how to ID it, what to look for - how to avoid where, and why, snakes prefer certain types of location for hunting and sunning ... avoid accidental bites.

And I don't want to sound like a thread crapper - if you need to dispatch a rattlesnake, I understand - I really do. But ... just think about teaching the young, that's all.

Thank you for reading ... and the rattlesnakes thank you for respecting and relocating.

Garv 06-14-2019 11:46 AM

Learn how to relocate if at all possible.

I would bet ZJ has some great techniques and equipment that are not overly expensive or difficult to use and would be willing to share his knowledge.

One of the reasons those rattlers get so fat is from eating rodents that can carry disease.

ZirconJohn 06-14-2019 11:52 AM

Yes ^^^ what Garv said - And in addition to rodents, rattlesnakes eat A LOT ... their main diet is lizards. YES ... lizards on ALL species. And know what lizards carry? They carry TICKS! Lime disease ticks - Look at a lizard up close ... around his head ... each lizard always has 4, 5, 8 blood sucking ticks attached to side of their neck area.

Along comes Mr. Rattlesnake ... lizard and ticks ... all in one gulp and gone!

Barbarosa 06-14-2019 1:35 PM

Relocating is fine if you occasionally come across one, but when you find a dozen or two each year it gets kind of tedious. I actually live where there are snakes - lots of them.

Ever walk out on your patio at night and step over a rattler? How about reaching for the garden hose only to find a rattler coiled inside it? Coming home to find your dog's nose as big as a football? Wondering why the tomato plant you are pruning is buzzing at you? Taking the lid off the irrigation valve box and finding a rattler inside? Lifting a bale of hay and finding a rattler underneath?

That is so far this year. You guys relocate them all you want; not me.

NATEWA 06-14-2019 2:20 PM

http://www.cci-ammunition.com/produc...specialty.aspx

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0039...AKI?th=1&psc=1

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NATEWA 06-14-2019 2:32 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYt6P6hF6LQ

Handshaker 06-14-2019 2:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P5Ret (Post 23107078)
How about cutting the dry grass. Kind of like giving them less place to hide and also mitigating the fire danger in the first place, some thing that all of us who own rural property should be doing constantly.

How about you help a brother out, bring your weed eater and get rid of the dry grass on my 10 acres, it should only take you a week or 2, then you can put the "i save rattlers" bumper sticker on your car, lol
Just kidding, I have Cows that weed and feed, but it take a while to get to all the grass since they eat down my 10 acres, then my neighbors 10 and the other neighbors 5. But, the high grass has nothing to do with if they are there or not. Short grass burns just as easily as long grass.

Handshaker 06-14-2019 3:03 PM

Choot Em!
I know 22mag cci snake shot does a number on them in a revolver. Killed a 6 footer with one shot right in the head in front of my garage last year. He was good eatin! I had the last bite...

k1dude 06-14-2019 6:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barbarosa (Post 23107806)
Relocating is fine if you occasionally come across one, but when you find a dozen or two each year it gets kind of tedious. I actually live where there are snakes - lots of them.

Ever walk out on your patio at night and step over a rattler? How about reaching for the garden hose only to find a rattler coiled inside it? Coming home to find your dog's nose as big as a football? Wondering why the tomato plant you are pruning is buzzing at you? Taking the lid off the irrigation valve box and finding a rattler inside? Lifting a bale of hay and finding a rattler underneath?

That is so far this year. You guys relocate them all you want; not me.

Amen. :oji:

RedBluff 06-14-2019 6:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sealocan (Post 23107033)
I don't know of a good a good air shotgun to recommend but let me repeat a suggestion I've given before to with anyone with an issue with rodents or snakes.

Put up lots of owl boxes/ owl nests (very easy to make yourself or you can buy them online).
once owls are in your neighborhood they will stay there continue willing to raise their young ones in that area, unless you run out of mice and snakes.

Let nature's professional night Hunters go out and hunt for you at the same time night when the snakes are out doing their nighttime hunting.

Even if the snakes they are just killing the smaller ones it will mean less big snakes down the road for you. Another plus is instead of wasting that meat once you shoot it, this method would help feed your young upcoming night Hunters.

I think the great horned owl is the one you want to attract for the larger snakes but any type is better than nothing.

LOL.....did I ever tell you guys the time a owl decimated my GF's heeler pups. She had most of them sold already too. One owl took out 5 of 7 pups in 1 over night time period.
Owl's might not be a good idea if you have very small dogs.

Handshaker 06-14-2019 7:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBluff (Post 23108778)
LOL.....did I ever tell you guys the time a owl decimated my GF's heeler pups. She had most of them sold already too. One owl took out 5 of 7 pups in 1 over night time period.
Owl's might not be a good idea if you have very small dogs.

No i would not think so. I used to put poison everywhere to kill rodents. 8 years or so ago, i trapped some wild abandoned cats. I know have a breading population that keep the rodents to a minimum. I would rather put out cat food than poison. I have a new litter of kitties, i know the owls would take them and then the owl hunt would be on...
A wise man once said. "The only thing i need in this life, is a shotgun and a shovel"

ZirconJohn 06-14-2019 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barbarosa (Post 23107806)
Relocating is fine if you occasionally come across one, but when you find a dozen or two each year it gets kind of tedious. I actually live where there are snakes - lots of them.

Ever walk out on your patio at night and step over a rattler? How about reaching for the garden hose only to find a rattler coiled inside it? Coming home to find your dog's nose as big as a football? Wondering why the tomato plant you are pruning is buzzing at you? Taking the lid off the irrigation valve box and finding a rattler inside? Lifting a bale of hay and finding a rattler underneath?

That is so far this year. You guys relocate them all you want; not me.

Ya - we have'em, rattlesnakes in our yard ... in the St. John's Wort ground cover out front there are at least 2 that we've spotted in the past week, and we keeping eyes out for them ... they will be caught and relocated. I'd like to catch them before they EAT my yard-pet Western Fence Lizards of whom we've named: Rocky, A.J. , Floozy and Sancho :laugh: I know sounds funny but I'm serious :yes: All the boys been bangin' Floozy a lot this spring ... and is why we named her ... well :rofl2:

Plus ... I have one ... a rattlesnake in the living room, in a safety bucket - picked him up at Yokao Ranch, nest to Mendocino College today - they called me up all freaking out "ahhh rattlesnake ... please come help ...!" :eek: This one will be relocated tomorrow.

Anyway ... good job guys - ya gotta do what ya gotta do to keep the kids, wife, the pets and livestock safe ... just relocate if/when you can ... all I'm saying. Good luck men, stay safe.

'...a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing ...!'

https://media.giphy.com/media/12NP0qtkwiVhEQ/giphy.gif

Handshaker 06-15-2019 6:55 AM

You do know its illegal to relocate wild life in calif, right? Dont let a ranger catch you doing it. For all those tree huggers out there. Relocated wild life has a death rate of 75% and usually die a slow painful death.
https://www.discoverwildcare.org/wil...ting-wildlife/

The_Highwayman 06-15-2019 7:22 AM

A friend deals with them regularly. He calls out a service / local guy to relocate them if possible but dispatches them when necessary using a full size 22 bolt action rifle (think Remington 33) with snake shot. Gives you plenty of reach so you can get the muzzle as close as possible to the head, low noise and little to no flash. If you're still worried, grab a bucket of water when you get the rifle and wet the area once the deed is done.

ZirconJohn 06-15-2019 8:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handshaker (Post 23109801)
You do know its illegal to relocate wild life in calif, right? Dont let a ranger catch you doing it. For all those tree huggers out there. Relocated wild life has a death rate of 75% and usually die a slow painful death.
https://www.discoverwildcare.org/wil...ting-wildlife/

Haha :laugh: WRONG ...! :cuss:

I have pics of relocated rattlesnakes year after year at/or around the den where I relocated them. They are clearly identified by the blotch patterns on their backs and side panels.

They absolutely positively live good healthy lives when relocated. Why did I spend enormous time and energy to take detailed pics, log each one with names and dates? Because I too questioned if they will survive. My extensive research is complete and is confirmed. Relocating rattlesnakes is good for their well being.

If you want to create false reasons for not relocating, it’s not necessary ... just dispatch the rattlesnake and be done with it. Or ... relocate these amazing creatures they deserve it.

And ... it’s NOT illegal to relocate rattlesnakes. Gee-manee... really??? Gimme-a-break!

Handshaker 06-15-2019 9:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZirconJohn (Post 23109979)
Haha :laugh: WRONG ...! :cuss:

I have pics of relocated rattlesnakes year after year at/or around the den where I relocated them. They are clearly identified by the blotch patterns on their backs and side panels.

They absolutely positively live good healthy lives when relocated. Why did I spend enormous time and energy to take detailed pics, log each one with names and dates? Because I too questioned if they will survive. My extensive research is complete and is confirmed. Relocating rattlesnakes is good for their well being.

If you want to create false reasons for not relocating, it’s not necessary ... just dispatch the rattlesnake and be done with it. Or ... relocate these amazing creatures they deserve it.

And ... it’s NOT illegal to relocate rattlesnakes. Gee-manee... really??? Gimme-a-break!

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::sleeping:
I dont need any reason to shoot them, other than they are trespassing on my property. I guess you dont know how to read the California statute. A rattler is wild and it is alive(wildlife). Just because you think its not illegal doesn't make it so. And if they live after relocating doesn't mean you are not breaking the law. Are you willing to call fish and game and bet you wont get cited? I will post here because you are clearly clueless.

When asked what someone should do if they find a rattlesnake in their yard, California Department of Fish and Wildlife Biologist Kevin Brennan said, “Nothing. If it’s threatening you or your pet and you’re willing and capable, kill it. Otherwise, just spray it with a stream of water from a hose and it will go away.”

Often, however, people relocate the snake to another property. “It is illegal to relocate any species of wildlife in California,” said Brennan. He said doing so is considered abandonment. The reason why is because the animal’s chance of survival is very slim. “They usually die within a matter of weeks.”

Gundiver 06-15-2019 11:06 AM

I'm a bit shocked by all the hippies saying relocate and teach the youth.
Kill rattlesnakes and teach the kids or grownups how too cook and eat them they're freaking delicious.

Canucky 06-15-2019 11:11 AM

No dog in this fight but bird shot will start a fire? Hmmm.

Handshaker 06-15-2019 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gundiver (Post 23110540)
I'm a bit shocked by all the hippies saying relocate and teach the youth.
Kill rattlesnakes and teach the kids or grownups how too cook and eat them they're freaking delicious.

Its just another case of being influenced by the liberal idiots in calif. Most people that are for relocating have never dealt with an aggressive rattler and probably have only seen them on the tele. I can see it now, Honey look how cute and cuddly those rattlers are, while they sit on their couch in downtown LA. I guess Zironjohn has nothing left to say...

ZirconJohn 06-15-2019 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handshaker (Post 23110180)
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::sleeping:
I dont need any reason to shoot them, other than they are trespassing on my property. I guess you dont know how to read the California statute. A rattler is wild and it is alive(wildlife). Just because you think its not illegal doesn't make it so. And if they live after relocating doesn't mean you are not breaking the law. Are you willing to call fish and game and bet you wont get cited? I will post here because you are clearly clueless.

When asked what someone should do if they find a rattlesnake in their yard, California Department of Fish and Wildlife Biologist Kevin Brennan said, “Nothing. If it’s threatening you or your pet and you’re willing and capable, kill it. Otherwise, just spray it with a stream of water from a hose and it will go away.”

Often, however, people relocate the snake to another property. “It is illegal to relocate any species of wildlife in California,” said Brennan. He said doing so is considered abandonment. The reason why is because the animal’s chance of survival is very slim. “They usually die within a matter of weeks.”

Ya ... like I said "WRONG!" :oji:

I want you to thing for a minute how you look here on CGN, a grown man ... or maybe you a girl (I don't know) but think now. You are having an internet road rage right now ... you are freaking out over what? ... WHAT!? You freaking out over whether a rattlesnake should be killed, relocated, and OMG it's illegal to relocate a rattlesnake out of danger from humans that may kill it. SO WHAT ...! :rofl2:

It is what it is ... and you are there freaking out like a ... like ... well ... like a little girl right in front of everyone on CGN ...! :D :laugh:

ZirconJohn 06-15-2019 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gundiver (Post 23110540)
I'm a bit shocked by all the hippies saying relocate and teach the youth.
Kill rattlesnakes and teach the kids or grownups how too cook and eat them they're freaking delicious.

I'm not a hippy son :no: And NOT that there's anything wrong with hippies ... I know a few hippies and they okay people. We have a hippy here on CGN ... he's a great guy.

And you are right ... rattlesnakes are good eating if you like to eat rattlesnake. Rattlesnakes are eaten by many-many wildlife; birds of prey, animals, other reptiles ... why ... even other snakes eat rattlesnake. They are very-very good source of protein if/when you out and about in the woods ... need a meal, maybe you lost and hungry. Ya sure :thumbsup:

Handshaker 06-15-2019 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZirconJohn (Post 23110661)
Ya ... like I said "WRONG!" :oji:

I want you to thing for a minute how you look here on CGN, a grown man ... or maybe you a girl (I don't know) but think now. You are having an internet road rage right now ... you are freaking out over what? ... WHAT!? You freaking out over whether a rattlesnake should be killed, relocated, and OMG it's illegal to relocate a rattlesnake out of danger from humans that may kill it. SO WHAT ...! :rofl2:

It is what it is ... and you are there freaking out like a ... like ... well ... like a little girl right in front of everyone on CGN ...! :D :laugh:

haha i dont really give a rip, just wanted to see if you would get your panties in a bunch, lol, mission accomplished. Ok Mr tree hugger, i will make you a bet of 100 dollars cash you are wrong about it being illegal to relocate wild life. Call the fish and game Monday, if you can prove its legal, i will send you a paypal gift of 100 bucks, but if you are( and i know you are) wrong you send me the 100, Deal? I am calling you out on public forum, do you have the balls the make that bet? I guess your not man enough to admit when you are wrong. Ah nothing like a nice debate...

https://idyllwildtowncrier.com/2014/...-rattlesnakes/

ZirconJohn 06-15-2019 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handshaker (Post 23110691)
haha i dont really give a rip, just wanted to see if you would get your panties in a bunch, lol, mission accomplished. Ok Mr tree hugger, i will make you a bet of 100 dollars cash you are wrong about it being illegal to relocate wild life. Call the fish and game Monday, if you can prove its legal, i will send you a paypal gift of 100 bucks, but if you are( and i know you are) wrong you send me the 100, Deal? I am calling you out on public forum, do you have the balls the make that bet? I guess your not man enough to admit when you are wrong. Ah nothing like a nice debate...

https://idyllwildtowncrier.com/2014/...-rattlesnakes/

Ya sure - give them a call. Whatever you say son. Lemme know when you get that done ... I'm right here.

:rofl2: Nothing like a good CGN web-rage "I'm calling you out, 100$ bet, you don't have the balls" on a Saturday morning ... who says that crap on a public forum and for what? The word is 'hysteria' - please look it up, it is possible that you can cure yourself. I hope you can get that fixed.

However, until then ... I am entertained by your hysterics this boring Saturday morning that I got called in to work because the other guys sister died last night :yes:

SW1917 06-15-2019 1:13 PM

Gamo makes a 22 convertible air rifle (pellet/shot shell) costs around $200 and the 22 shot shells are reloadable so get a hold of some #12 shot - at least as effective or more so than CCI,FEDERAL ,WIN 22 shot shells
https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Gamo_...gun_Rifle/1020
Other would be used Crosman 1100 CO2 shotgun also can reload shells

hunterb 06-15-2019 2:57 PM

Don't want to get close enough to shovel them?
How about a pole saw?

Handshaker 06-15-2019 3:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SW1917 (Post 23110834)
Gamo makes a 22 convertible air rifle (pellet/shot shell) costs around $200 and the 22 shot shells are reloadable so get a hold of some #12 shot - at least as effective or more so than CCI,FEDERAL ,WIN 22 shot shells
https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Gamo_...gun_Rifle/1020
Other would be used Crosman 1100 CO2 shotgun also can reload shells

Thanks for the idea, i will look at those. I am really interested in the Senaca, but its a lot of money.
https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Senec...l_Shotgun/4572

Half Cocked 06-15-2019 3:55 PM

This looks like it would be a fun snake killer.

Umarex Legends MP40 CO2 BB Submachine Gun

SW1917 06-15-2019 5:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Handshaker (Post 23111141)
Thanks for the idea, i will look at those. I am really interested in the Senaca, but its a lot of money.
https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Senec...l_Shotgun/4572

YA I would get into PCP airguns but besides the cost of the gun - you have to have compressor,tanks,etc doubling the cost (too old for a hand pump)

Handshaker 06-15-2019 5:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Half Cocked (Post 23111245)
This looks like it would be a fun snake killer.

Umarex Legends MP40 CO2 BB Submachine Gun

Ya that might be the ticket, LOL


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