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Sandy Blaize 04-26-2013 1:31 PM

Phoenix HP-22A?????
 
Nice looking gun in photos. Is it worth a damn or something that will wear out quickly? A lot of the newer inexpensive guns have a lot of cast "monkey metal" in them nowadays. Is this one worth buying? Any dealers online who carry them? I am looking for a "plinker" in something other than a revolver that has some decent sights.

uxo2 04-26-2013 1:34 PM

POT METAL.

Really poor quality.

I had one that developed a crack on the frame
after firing a few hundered rounds of
standard velocity ammo.

ojisan 04-26-2013 1:42 PM

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=430334

Since the Search function here is not-so-good, try a Google search on
whatever you want to know about and add "cal guns" to the search words. Example: "HP-22 calguns" got me multiple threads including the link above. I'm not saying you can't ask a question, but sometimes the answers are already here with multiple reponses from a few days of many people posting. It makes it faster to get the info you want than waiting for new thread replies.

:)

:oji:

Chaos47 04-26-2013 1:56 PM

Even better put site:calguns.net befor your search in google and it will just search calguns.

Tons of threads on these

Good:
Cheap
When they work they work
Decent plinker accuracy
CA made
Decent customer service from what I have head, which is good because...

Bad:
Frames crack
Cheap metal
Lots of safeties (to be CA compliant)
No aftermarket support

delsol 04-26-2013 4:55 PM

For some reason I have been thinking about buying one. Some say they love them & other's claim they are junk. I think if a person buy's one just don't expect a whole lot from it.

uxo2 04-26-2013 5:11 PM

save you money..
Buy something that will last.
Yes their fun but fragile.

smak28 04-26-2013 6:35 PM

I had one and sold it but 100% enjoyed plinking with it. Although I didn't put many rounds through it but can't complain for a cost of about $100. I would say if the cost is no more than $130, then it may be worth it if the objective is to have a plinker to beat it to the ground. Anything over $130, I would recommend getting a high quality .22 pistol. It was a solid pistol for the money and had no regrets purchasing it.

Jet Setter 04-26-2013 7:30 PM

I have had 2. 1 I gave to family and the other I sold. They are great little guns and very fun to shoot. I did crack the frame on one but it was replaced by the factory (they even paid the DROS). Good service but very hard to get a hold of them if you need something.

ALWAYS use standard velocity ammo on them OR you will crack the frame. The gun eats anything and, IMO, functions better with the higher velocity ammo.

uxo2 04-26-2013 7:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jet Setter (Post 11200287)
I did crack the frame.

ALWAYS use standard velocity ammo on them OR you will crack the frame.

The gun eats anything and, IMO, functions better with the higher velocity ammo.

And crack the frame.:facepalm::kest:

chaco 04-28-2013 10:12 AM

My hp22 aren't reliable with bulk .22's. Won't eject or feed properly unless I use the fancier .22 like cci mini mags. I've gone through 2k rounds and no problem. I have shot 30rds of stingers and 50 aguilar intercepters, no problems yet.

mrrabbit 04-28-2013 12:00 PM

I am constanty amazed at the number of people who will publish negative reviews of the HP-22A

AND

...do so:

1. Without specifying how they treated the firearm
2. Without acknowledging the price point of the firearm
3. With unrealistic expectations for a low cost firearm

That's very dishonest...don't write freaking reviews people if you can't be honest and objective:

Here's an honest and objective review - IF - you are honest enough to read it:

1. It is a low cost firearm.

This means that you will need to do some minor flashing work to ensure it operates smoothly - especially if changing to the 5" barrel.

It also means that you really do need to fire a good 100-200 rounds for a break in.

Use emery cloth to work the sides of the barrel flats to combined with oil in order to ensure the slide action for each barrel works smoothly. This ensures the chamber closes 100% with each round.

2. Barrel changes are initially difficult - due to excess flashing in the release pin area in the manufacturing process.

Grab a Park 16mm cone wrench - OR - grab a piece of hardened heavy gauge sheet metal (10g - 12g) and cut out a 16mm wide and 20mm deep square out of it.

Use that as your tool to pull the release back in order to remove the barrel. After about a dozen times, the flashing will wear away and you'll be able to use your fingers only to release the barrel from there on out.

3. It is a standard velocity - round nose firearm. Use standard velocity round nose ammunition and it will last and cycle reliably.

Remington, CCI, Wolf, Fiocchi - it's eats 'em all up.

If you are limp wristing the firearm, it will jam. I guarantee it. Lock that wrist - take up the recoil with an elbow bend.

Practice people - this applies to all semi-automatic handguns - not just the HP-22A. It's good form and habit.

Feel free to try hollow-point - but if that fails - revert back to round nose.

4. Do not use high-velocity ammunition. That's violates the warranty - it will crack the frame. Nevertheless, Phoenix Arms has a reputation for honoring the warranty regardless. The least people here can do is thank them for it.

(Quit the *****ing folks...)

5. It is very easy firearm to clean and reassemble once the barrel is removed.

6. Do not dry fire this firearm. You will damage the firing pin.

- topstar76 on eBay sells last-round-hold-open slugs.
- these reduce magazines to 9 usable rounds.
- the slug stops the slide at 10 - so you can lock it open and avoid dry fire.

7. The magazines are very cheap magazines.

- Supposedly good for ten rounds as-is - I recommend stopping at 9. Trying to go 10 often damages the round.

- With the LRHO slug, supposedly the magazine is good for 9 rounds. I recommend stopping at 8 rounds cause once again trying to go 9 rounds ends up damaging the 9th round.

8. Do buy the 5 inch barrel and do buy extended grip magazines.

- The regular magazines make the firearm feel awkward. The extended grip magazines feel much butter grip and handling wise.

- With the 5 inch barrel, the firearm just "feels" better handling wise.
- The 5 inch barrel improves accuracy a tad as well.

9. Finally, but most important of all:

THIS IS A FIREARM FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE METHODICAL IN NATURE!!!

If you are someone who likes to get straight to the point in 15 minutes or less - or are simply impatient - this firearm is not for you.

However, if you are a person who regulary focuses on a set number of task for 1-2 hour periods of time without interruption - this firearm is for you.

The multiple safety feature will drive the impatient to-the-point folks nuts.

That's all there is to it.

=8-)

chasjr1 04-28-2013 5:52 PM

i bought one 20 years( i still have it ) ago for my kids to shoot never had a problem with it , only shoot rn standard vel. ammo in it

Dannicus 04-28-2013 6:46 PM

If you could buy a .22 pistol at Harbor Freight Tools, it would be an Phoenix Arms.

SkyMag68 04-29-2013 2:11 PM

I am very happy with my, very reliable no crack after 500+ rounds.Don't forget it come with lifetime warranty.

Chaos47 04-29-2013 2:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dannicus (Post 11213485)
If you could buy a .22 pistol at Harbor Freight Tools, it would be a Chinese made knock off of the Phoenix Arms.

Fixed it for ya ;)

(And no I'm not a Harbor freight, or China made or Phoenix Arms hater. Just being realistic)

Staticsouls 04-29-2013 3:36 PM

For the price mine holds its weight. it sure isnt a 22/45 and sure as heck doesn't cost as much as one either, but to be honest it is great for training a new shooter. After you do the quick and super easy mods it functions (control wise) similarly to a normal center fire pistol. kind of a decent bug out/ get home bag gun, or hiking pistol. Mine ate 300 rounds of federal with no jams the first time i took it out. Could have been a fluke, but mine was , and still is worth the tiny price paid...$130

Dannicus 04-29-2013 4:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaos47 (Post 11219726)
Fixed it for ya ;)

(And no I'm not a Harbor freight, or China made or Phoenix Arms hater. Just being realistic)

Yeah. You know what I mean, tho. Phoenix Arms stuff is already the kind of quality you'd expect to find at harbor freight.

aghauler 04-29-2013 5:03 PM

tag

delsol 05-03-2013 5:27 PM

Well I pull the trigger & bought the Phoenix Arms HP22 today. I have watch a lot of people on youtube who love's this gun. I think it will be a fun little gun to take to the range. Now the wait!!!

OceanDreamer 05-04-2013 11:09 AM

Glad you bought it. If you like it then thats all that matters.....

I got a bunch of flack for buying a Hi-Point C9, people telling me it would blow up, etc.... So far I have over 1K rounds through it without any problems. I installed the ghost ring and it is very accurate. When I bought it I had the funds to buy a Sig, or an M&P, and I shot all 3 side by side at the rental range. I chose the Hi-Point because in all my research it held up to abuse and still worked, so I saw no point in spending 3x the $$ for something that was tacticool when the C9 did the same thing...... I am jailing a Phoenix today for my tackle box/backpack gun....

delsol 05-05-2013 4:43 AM

OceanD, I think if you run the ammo they recommend keep the gun cleaned & lube the little Phoenix should be a lot fun.

durandal 05-06-2013 6:58 PM

HP22a broke after ~1000 rounds, sent it back for "life time warranty" repair six months ago and no reply.

buy something else. hell you can probably make your own .22lr pistol out of scrap metal and it will be better quality

uxo2 05-06-2013 8:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durandal (Post 11279729)
HP22a broke after ~1000 rounds, sent it back for "life time warranty" repair six months ago and no reply.

buy something else. hell you can probably make your own .22lr pistol out of scrap metal and it will be better quality

:censored::rofl:

That was my point.

But op bought one.
Maybe he'll have better luck.

Jet Setter 05-06-2013 9:01 PM

It happens. Out of the 2 I have had, 1 is flawless and the other was replaced. Very fun gun to plink.

aghauler 05-07-2013 3:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durandal (Post 11279729)
HP22a broke after ~1000 rounds, sent it back for "life time warranty" repair six months ago and no reply.

buy something else. hell you can probably make your own .22lr pistol out of scrap metal and it will be better quality

"No Reply after 6 months"? Seems like someone should have followed up on that 5 months ago. Actually if I hadn't heard from them within 2 weeks I'd been chewing pretty hard on them. I thought their Customer Service was good according to other threads.

mpt365 05-08-2013 2:45 PM

I have owned mine since 1998. I have shot around 2k rounds through it. It is a little picky on certain cheap ammo. It did brake the firing pin safety, but I never used it anyway. The slide spring needed to be replaced. I sent it back to the company in 2012 and the fix both for free and gave me a extra magazine and upgraded the grips. The gun is almost like new. The pistol is suprising accurate and fun to shoot. So For the price about $100-$130 with a life long warranty, how can you go wrong.

mrrabbit 05-08-2013 3:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aghauler (Post 11287011)
"No Reply after 6 months"? Seems like someone should have followed up on that 5 months ago. Actually if I hadn't heard from them within 2 weeks I'd been chewing pretty hard on them. I thought their Customer Service was good according to other threads.

...yeah...the Devil is in the details...

Come on "aghualer", a little more truth feller!

1. Ammo you used...
2. Why the lack of followup?

=8-)

aghauler 05-08-2013 4:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrrabbit (Post 11296194)
...yeah...the Devil is in the details...

Come on "aghualer", a little more truth feller!

1. Ammo you used...
2. Why the lack of followup?

=8-)

Wasn't me, I was curious about "durandels" reply up the page aways.

Although I AM thinking about getting one. ;)
I usually chew on CS reps and not just in emails if they don't respond within a reasonable amount of time.

uxo2 05-08-2013 4:19 PM

I have never disputed the fact that it is the cheapest
bang for the buck.

Mearly questioned its longevity when
for a few hundred more/ save longer.

A better pistol can be had.

Kind of like riding a moped.
Fun to ride but you dont want anyone to see you on it

JAGGUY 05-08-2013 4:32 PM

I bought an HP-22 a couple years ago, read online that if you replace the recoil spring every 500 rounds or so it wont crack the frame. Called Phoenix about getting an extra recoil spring and they sent me 3 free of charge....
I'm at around 1200 rounds of standard velocity with no issues at all.
Pretty nice piece for $120, and yes I have much more expensive 22 pistols and revolvers but I like a variety so for 120 bucks why not...

durandal 05-08-2013 8:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aghauler (Post 11296357)
Wasn't me, I was curious about "durandels" reply up the page aways.

Although I AM thinking about getting one. ;)
I usually chew on CS reps and not just in emails if they don't respond within a reasonable amount of time.

I couldn't get anyone on the phone for an RMA authorization number. So after a few months of calling i sent my pistol (with a cracked frame and consistent firing-out-of-battery problem,) in the way they want it: in the original retail packaging, (double boxed) locked with a cable lock, via UPS, along with a hard copy letter with my personal contact info, Drivers lic, & dealer info. Over the last six months I tried to call phoenix arms dozens of times unsuccessfully. Left plenty of messages and emails as well. i even faxed once.

Call them yourself and see if your phone call gets picked up. there is no direct CS email, Answering machine is usually full.

I read a very recent post on another forum about another customer who chose to file a police report & have Ontario PD come out to investigate in order to get his pistol located and returned.

I'd get a steel pistol that wont fall apart.

aghauler 05-09-2013 9:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durandal (Post 11298720)
I couldn't get anyone on the phone for an RMA authorization number. So after a few months of calling i sent my pistol (with a cracked frame and consistent firing-out-of-battery problem,) in the way they want it: in the original retail packaging, (double boxed) locked with a cable lock, via UPS, along with a hard copy letter with my personal contact info, Drivers lic, & dealer info. Over the last six months I tried to call phoenix arms dozens of times unsuccessfully. Left plenty of messages and emails as well. i even faxed once.

Call them yourself and see if your phone call gets picked up. there is no direct CS email, Answering machine is usually full.

I read a very recent post on another forum about another customer who chose to file a police report & have Ontario PD come out to investigate in order to get his pistol located and returned.

I'd get a steel pistol that wont fall apart.

Interesting scenario, thanks for the details. What happened when the Ontario PD checked them out?
I just called the Ontario phone number and the answering machine picked up. I'll try again later.

I once had an issue with a gun seller in FLA, sold me a "Tanker Garand" which was non functional when I tried to shoot it. Took it to a Garandsmith who couldn't get it to work. I called the guy he refused to make things right he figured I was 3000 miles away and couldn't reach out and touch him, so I contacted the DA in his County next thing I got was a phone call from the guy wanting to know how he could "fix" things. He refunded all of my money except $135 and I kept the Garand which now wears a new USGI 7.62 bbl in the original - non Tanker configuration. So you DO have avenues to persue if you choose to. Have the PD do another "well fair check". Maybe a CalGunner in that area can go knock on thier door and inform them of what people are saying! File a compliant with the BBB, they'll investigate them also.
Good luck and keep us in the loop.

http://www.vpc.org/studies/deadpho.htm Old info but still possibly relevent?

durandal 05-09-2013 12:21 PM

Unless you can get someone to follow up in person you arent going to get a response. Do a google search for phoenix arms police report, the full post from the gun owner in NY should be the first hit

aghauler 05-09-2013 3:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durandal (Post 11303476)
Unless you can get someone to follow up in person you arent going to get a response. Do a google search for phoenix arms police report, the full post from the gun owner in NY should be the first hit

Interesting read, frustrating but he did get a new pistol out of it. Have you called the Ontario PD? They go over there enough times Phoenix Arms might get the hint they need to reply to customers, not ignore them.

durandal 05-09-2013 3:38 PM

i realized i mis spoke and the pistol was not firing out of battery but rather having case separations. anyway after having a round explode in my hand while firing the gun i'm in no rush to get the pistol back.

aghauler 05-09-2013 4:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOVE_1911's (Post 11305220)
Weren't the Davis, Jennings, Bryco, Raven, Phoenix all known as the "ring of Fire" or "circle of fire" makers in the 90's?

Yep I posted this link about 4 replies up.;)


http://www.vpc.org/studies/deadpho.htm

durandal 05-09-2013 4:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aghauler (Post 11302216)
Interesting scenario, thanks for the details. What happened when the Ontario PD checked them out?
I just called the Ontario phone number and the answering machine picked up. I'll try again later.

I once had an issue with a gun seller in FLA, sold me a "Tanker Garand" which was non functional when I tried to shoot it. Took it to a Garandsmith who couldn't get it to work. I called the guy he refused to make things right he figured I was 3000 miles away and couldn't reach out and touch him, so I contacted the DA in his County next thing I got was a phone call from the guy wanting to know how he could "fix" things. He refunded all of my money except $135 and I kept the Garand which now wears a new USGI 7.62 bbl in the original - non Tanker configuration. So you DO have avenues to persue if you choose to. Have the PD do another "well fair check". Maybe a CalGunner in that area can go knock on thier door and inform them of what people are saying! File a compliant with the BBB, they'll investigate them also.
Good luck and keep us in the loop.

http://www.vpc.org/studies/deadpho.htm Old info but still possibly relevent?

He should have disclosed the problem but it sounds like you ended up cheating him out of the tanker m1 by threatening legal action. You and i both know that the value of the remaining parts that dont need to be swapped is more than $135.

aghauler 05-09-2013 5:09 PM

I cheated no one, I didn't threaten him I just had the DA talk to him about his business practice. He knew what he had done with a cobbled together "Tanker" and didn't hesitate to offer the refund. Parts swapped out to complete the rifle with the 7.62 Nato bbl, Lets see there was the short barrel, bolt wich didn't head space, op rod, op rod spring, out of spec parts were Gas cylinder, clip latch, follower rod was bent, follower was not within spec, triggerguard and group was worn, no upper handguard, etc. Sorry I didn't mention this WAS 15 years ago so you KNOW what the price of a Garand was then. The several trips to the Garandsmith were time consuming and cost gas money also, I explained that to the seller. So I basicly got the the receiver, stock and rear handguard for the time and money invested. I do take OFFENSE to to anyone telling me I "cheated" someone as THAT is not something I do. I do business with a handshake, and I have an A+ rating on Gunbroker. Even had more than one buyer call me and thank me for selling them a firearm that was worth MORE than the selling price.

durandal 05-09-2013 5:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aghauler (Post 11305815)
I cheated no one, I didn't threaten him I just had the DA talk to him about his business practice. He knew what he had done with a cobbled together "Tanker" and didn't hesitate to offer the refund. Parts swapped out to complete the rifle with the 7.62 Nato bbl, Lets see there was the short barrel, bolt wich didn't head space, op rod, op rod spring, out of spec parts were Gas cylinder, clip latch, follower rod was bent, follower was not within spec, triggerguard and group was worn, no upper handguard, etc. Sorry I didn't mention this WAS 15 years ago so you KNOW what the price of a Garand was then. The several trips to the Garandsmith were time consuming and cost gas money also, I explained that to the seller. So I basicly got the the receiver, stock and rear handguard for the time and money invested. I do take OFFENSE to to anyone telling me I "cheated" someone as THAT is not something I do. I do business with a handshake, and I have an A+ rating on Gunbroker. Even had more than one buyer call me and thank me for selling them a firearm that was worth MORE than the selling price.

Well im glad you explained what happened with the tanker. Its funny because the way you wrote about your experience the first time is very different from your second post on the subject.

Your earlier post where you stated the hp22a not being returned after 6 months was because i had not properly followed up could be offensive in the same way. But im sure thats not what you intended.

Quite off topic by now

aghauler 05-09-2013 6:59 PM

Well I certainly hope it all works out for you, the guy in NY seems to be thrilled with his new pistol. As a consumer one has to be aware that you really CAN reach out and touch someone. Like I said keep us informed and yer right all I get a PA is the answering machine also. We have drifted off topic somewhat, which I'll take the hit for. Good Luck and don't give up!


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