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LongLiveTheRepublic 05-21-2019 3:27 PM

The glock of shotguns
 
I'm looking to buy a shotgun for home defense/plinking but I don't know anything about shotgun brands/models. What's the glock of shotguns? i.e. reliable, affordable, isn't crap

seal20 05-21-2019 3:29 PM

Remington 870 or Mossberg 500

mooner760HD 05-21-2019 3:29 PM

Mossberg 500 is the base model pump I chose for home defense.

waygeekierthanu 05-21-2019 3:35 PM

Remington 870 police, for $500 it can't be beat

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Rorge Retson 05-21-2019 3:39 PM

You mean inaccurate, uncomfortable, and reliable??

LongLiveTheRepublic 05-21-2019 3:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rorge Retson (Post 23025446)
You mean inaccurate, uncomfortable, and reliable??

Ruh oh, don't start a glock war. I just looked up those two models. The Mossberg 500 has 6 rounds but the trigger pull is heavier. I prefer a lighter trigger pull but 4 rounds in the Remington 870 seems low.

vino68 05-21-2019 3:48 PM

The Mossberg 500 or its poor cousin, the Maverick (by Mossberg) for generally around $200.00. I have both. For home defense, the Mav is OK, it is great as a first shotgun. There are differences between the two but also some of the aftermarket parts can be used on either.

ysr_racer 05-21-2019 3:50 PM

If you want something you'll actually shoot, get a Beretta A300.

Spartan301 05-21-2019 4:09 PM

Now that's funny!
 
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Originally Posted by Rorge Retson (Post 23025446)
You mean inaccurate, uncomfortable, and reliable??

:rofl2::thumbsup::biggrinjester:

Mayor McRifle 05-21-2019 4:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LongLiveTheRepublic (Post 23025403)
What's the glock of shotguns? i.e. reliable, affordable, isn't crap

Wait, do you want the Glock of shotguns or do you want something that isnít crap?

ErikC12 05-21-2019 4:25 PM

You can't go wrong with the 870 or the 500, plenty of options at every price point. My personal preference however is the 870.

elSquid 05-21-2019 4:27 PM

Benelli Supernova?

$500 for the ghost ring tacticool version, lots of plastic, decent quality, makes classic wood and blued steel riotgun owners wince...

;)

ó Michael

PoorRichRichard 05-21-2019 4:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ErikC12 (Post 23025612)
You can't go wrong with the 870 or the 500, plenty of options at every price point. My personal preference however is the 870.

As an owner of multiple versions of both, I agree.

wpage 05-21-2019 4:33 PM

Yes both 870 Rem and Moss 500 with over 11 million sold each. The most popular pumps in the universe.

deckhandmike 05-21-2019 4:35 PM

Both the 870 and 500 have many different versions that hold more rounds than the base model. I prefer the 870.

PoorRichRichard 05-21-2019 4:36 PM

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Originally Posted by elSquid (Post 23025621)
Benelli Supernova?

$500 for the ghost ring tacticool version, lots of plastic, decent quality, makes classic wood and blued steel riotgun owners wince...

;)

ó Michael

I own this one too. Great gun. If you are looking for versatility in an HD and longer barreled gun for clays/hunting, donít buy on because the additional barrels are much more expensive than 870 or 500 barrels.

LongLiveTheRepublic 05-21-2019 4:38 PM

Leaning towards the Remington 870, should I buy new or used? It's relatively cheap so maybe I don't have to buy used.. I'm in the bay area if anyone has one for sale :)

code_blue 05-21-2019 4:46 PM

If you don't need a ton of accessories, check out the Winchester SXP line or the FNH alternative.

LongLiveTheRepublic 05-21-2019 4:48 PM

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Originally Posted by code_blue (Post 23025689)
If you don't need a ton of accessories, check out the Winchester SXP line or the FNH alternative.

I have a tendency to gucci my firearms...

Featureless 05-21-2019 4:50 PM

Mossberg 590

https://www.mossberg.com/product/590-7-shot-50778/

code_blue 05-21-2019 4:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LongLiveTheRepublic (Post 23025700)
I have a tendency to gucci my firearms...

In that case, Benelli your way to the top.

sonofeugene 05-21-2019 4:58 PM

Personal preference is Mossberg 500 or 590. Easier to load and the safety is more intuitive.

bug_eyedmonster 05-21-2019 5:09 PM

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Originally Posted by code_blue (Post 23025717)
In that case, Benelli your way to the top.

TTI & John Wick seem to think Glocks and Benellis can be Gucci-ed side by side... that was until JW and Taran saw the light and switched to 2011s. :D

Jerry

whutsup40 05-21-2019 5:13 PM

love my 870 home defense gun, 6+1 is enough for any small problem!! :43:

sigstroker 05-21-2019 5:18 PM

There is no Glock of shotguns.

seal20 05-21-2019 5:18 PM

Buy used, people are dumping long guns right now.... Buy whenb the market is down!

therealnickb 05-21-2019 5:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elSquid (Post 23025621)
Benelli Supernova?

$500 for the ghost ring tacticool version, lots of plastic, decent quality, makes classic wood and blued steel riotgun owners wince...

;)

— Michael

I just picked up the regular stock version. Shoots great. I popped a 24” field barrel on and removed the rear sight. Busts clays just fine. I’m thinking I found my new road hunting pheasant gun! It’ll also work well as my rv sd shotgun.

I think it holds 5 rounds and it retails for $439. I bought it used, but like new for almost half of that.

k1dude 05-21-2019 5:23 PM

Glock is a semi-auto. But for some reason, most people here are recommending pumps.

I would go with a semi-auto shotgun if you want to compare it to a Glock. That means something like the FN SLP or the Benelli M2. Others like the VersaMax Tactical or Beretta 1301 Tactical are good choices too.

I have a hard time recommending the Mossberg 930 even though the price is right, simply because too many people have problems with them out-of-the-box.

therealnickb 05-21-2019 5:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PoorRichRichard (Post 23025649)
I own this one too. Great gun. If you are looking for versatility in an HD and longer barreled gun for clays/hunting, donít buy on because the additional barrels are much more expensive than 870 or 500 barrels.

Not that much more if you go Carlson. https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Art...carlson&ID=301

etwinam 05-21-2019 5:26 PM

I love my mossberg 500, I had one and sold it then missed it so much I bought another one. It is a tank.

Major difference between 870 and 500 is the trigger guard safety vs tang safety. I prefer tang safety on the 500. Also the bolt carrier is a little more complicated on the 500, the 870 is a little easier to reassemble if you're not super mechanically inclined.

I personally enjoy working on complicated guns, but the ease of of field stripping my A300 is really amazing, I can take the whole thing apart with one punch. My 930 JM pro is a much different experience.

sonofeugene 05-21-2019 5:46 PM

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Originally Posted by etwinam (Post 23025844)
I love my mossberg 500, I had one and sold it then missed it so much I bought another one. It is a tank.

Major difference between 870 and 500 is the trigger guard safety vs tang safety. I prefer tang safety on the 500. Also the bolt carrier is a little more complicated on the 500, the 870 is a little easier to reassemble if you're not super mechanically inclined.

I personally enjoy working on complicated guns, but the ease of of field stripping my A300 is really amazing, I can take the whole thing apart with one punch. My 930 JM pro is a much different experience.

I think the biggest difference is the shell lifter on the Mossberg is in the up and out of the way position when you're loading. The Remington's is down and in the way.

Jet Setter 05-21-2019 5:52 PM

+1 for the many 870 variations.

riceman 05-21-2019 5:55 PM

My only pump shotgun is an 870 I used for duck hunting 40 years ago. Quality then was great do not know about today. Also back then the Mossberg was questionable but they have made great strides in producing a quality shot gun. If this was my first and only shot gun the pump would be the one to get, reliable and easy to maintain with less chance of any malfunction. All of my guns now are semi-auto shot guns, semi auto handguns & DA revolvers with the same principal of operation, finger on the trigger, pull trigger repeat. Muscle memory is very important I hear. Took the 870 out a while back just to shoot the cobwebs out of the barrel. Pulled the trigger after racking a round and stood there waiting for it to cycle, duh.
So I guess muscle memory is important.

LongLiveTheRepublic 05-21-2019 5:58 PM

Thanks for the recommendations, I'm gonna watch some vids on the 870 and 500 and see which one I like. Also gonna look into semi-auto shotguns. Although, I think pump shotguns seems more fun to shoot.

jon94520 05-21-2019 6:06 PM

The main difference between the two comes down to the safety orientation. Mossberg is on tang, 870 on bolt. They both work.
I prefer the Mossy, but only because that’s what I shot with since I was 12, so it is more familiar.

meno377 05-21-2019 6:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LongLiveTheRepublic (Post 23025946)
Thanks for the recommendations, I'm gonna watch some vids on the 870 and 500 and see which one I like. Also gonna look into semi-auto shotguns. Although, I think pump shotguns seems more fun to shoot.

Some youtuber comments talk about how the mossberg isn't as good because it's an aluminum receiver. Don't let that convince you as they don't understand when the bolt locks up, it's steel to steel when you pull the trigger. The receiver on the mossberg simply houses the bolt and shaves some weight off the gun. It's been time tested too long for anyone to make a valid argument for a steel receiver over an aluminum receiver. FYI.

Featureless 05-21-2019 6:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meno377 (Post 23025989)
Some youtubers talk about how the mossberg isn't as good because it's an aluminum receiver. Don't let that convince you as they don't understand when the bolt locks up, it's steel to steel when you pull the trigger. The receiver on the mossberg simply houses the bolt and shaves some weight off the gun. It's been time tested too long for anyone to make a valid argument for a steel receiver over an aluminum receiver. FYI.

Well they make engine blocks out of aluminum so I don't see what the problem might be.

44fred 05-21-2019 6:14 PM

If you can find one, the Stoeger M2000 is great for an auto loader.
I picked up a used one a few years ago on the suggestion of a well informed friend.
He was right. Made by Benelli and runs very fast.
It has yet to fail me so is my home defense weapon of choice.

k1dude 05-21-2019 8:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 44fred (Post 23026021)
If you can find one, the Stoeger M2000 is great for an auto loader.
I picked up a used one a few years ago on the suggestion of a well informed friend.
He was right. Made by Benelli and runs very fast.
It has yet to fail me so is my home defense weapon of choice.

Supposedly Stoeger's don't hold up well to the rigors of competition. But for home defense you should be fine.

sfarchitect 05-21-2019 9:19 PM

OP, you got good advice there. Its hard to go wrong with either the Rem 870 or Moss 500. To me the difference is the location of the safety. I'm a lefty and, the, only firearm I kept (much to my personal regret) through a nearly twenty five year long California 'peacenik' phase was my Mossberg 500. For most right handed folks as much as I love the Mossberg 500, I think the Remington 870 is the better choice.

Both companies have, over many, many years, had a few bad runs. But please realize just how many of both of these have been made OP. By the shear numbers alone, probability dictates there's gonna' be a few bad examples. But the 870's and 500's are. like glocks, both so reliable and as a result so universal and ubiquitous that the quite rare 'bad' one gets lots of attention.

The M2000's are much rarer birds. But if you have both the patience, and, the time, not a bad choice. But the M2000, while a fine weapon, is absolutely not(!) your stated objective OP.

I'd still go with the first two choices for a starter shotgun OP. Like Glocks, so many ways to tweak and customize both if you're so inclined. Like Glocks, so many accessories that fit them. Everyone knows them. Anyone can work on them. Not that you'll ever likely need parts but, you kids will be able to get part for them forty years from now.

To your stated objective OP, the 870 & 500 and the many variants thereof are, unequivocally, the 'Glocks of shotguns'.


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