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Applying for a Concealed Firearm Permit in Los Angeles...

Posted 12-24-2015 at 12:30 PM by RoundEye
Updated 11-10-2018 at 11:02 AM by RoundEye

Editorial | by Chad Cheung

After getting some misdirection with my first encounter with the LASD while trying to get an officer to "witness" sections 6, 7, and 8 of my application, I thought it would be worthwhile to chronicle my experience thus far.

So here goes...

-- Los Angeles Sheriff Department (LASD) --

December 5, 2015
Downloaded and completed application from the LASD website.

December 17, 2015
I went to LASD Lost Hills Patrol Station and advised the volunteer(?) at the front desk that I was completing an application for a Concealed Firearm Permit and needed an officer to witness me completing sections 6, 7, and 8 so it can be submitted. He went into the back and got an officer who said "no, they don't do that here, and you'll have to go down to the LASD Headquarters in DTLA (211 West Temple Street)". He gave me a 8.5x11 piece of paper that appeared to have a section of the application photocopied and blown up that stated:

Application for CCW License

Upon reviewing the attached policy and meting all the requirements, please complete the Standard Application form in its Entirety. Send completed application to Sherriff's Attention: CCW cOORDINATOR. A non-refundable fee of $10.00 Check or Money Order (payable to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department) must accompany your application. Incomplete applications will not be processed. Those who successfully pass the initial screening will be charged a required follow-up processing fee.

December 28, 2015
I went to the Downtown LA Hall of Justice (211 West Temple Street Los Angeles, CA 90012). There are entrances on Broadway, Temple, and Spring (which is the main entrance, and you'll just be sent there if you try the other two, so you might as well go straight there). I initially tried to enter from Broadway, and after a few minutes of conversation, and showing the officer at the door the application, I was directed to the Spring street entrance, and told to come up to the 2nd floor desk which is really the elevator level (visible from the door, and up a slight of stairs). One of the two officers at the desk was the officer that I spoke with at the Broadway door, and she spoke with the other officer (Leyva) who seem to have experience with the CCW process and instructed me to complete the sections requiring mine and an officer witness signature, and they'll take it up to the CCW Coordinator (Jocelyn Perez). Apparently, she reviews all of the applications for Los Angeles, and she'll call you regarding your application with questions and further instructions once it has been turned in. I did what they told me, and they refused to sign the application in front of me. They said leave the application with them, and when they take it upstairs to Jocelyn they'll sign it. I mentioned that I was hoping to get a copy of the completed signed application for my records. They said you could copy it as is with my execution and then come back. I opted to just turn in the application and forego the copy for my records. I just by chance had everything in an envelope, so I recommend that anyone attempting to apply come here with your application in an envelope ready to go.

January 22, 2016
I received a reply from LASD - CCW Coordinator. Inside was a cover letter stapled to a receipt for my $10, and a xerox copy of my application with Section 7 (the section the application says not to complete unless an officer instructs you to do so) highlighted in yellow as I assume to be "missing".

The cover letter stated:

Quote:
Dear Mr. Cheung:

We have received your application for a concealed weapon license. Unfortunately, we are unable to process your application due to the following reason:

The application you submitted is incomplete. Please complete the enclosed application in its entirety and return it to Hall of Justice, Undersheriff's office, 211 West Temple Street 8th Floor, Los Angeles, California 90012; Attention CCW Coordinator.

If you have any questions, please contact the C.C.W. Coordinator of my staff at (213) 229-3075.

Sincerely,

Jim McDonnell, Sheriff
12/31/2016 *I don't remember when exactly I resubmitted the application, but I am sure it was before the end of the year.
I completed the missing sections as the letter advised and resubmitted the application to the Downtown LA Hall of Justice (211 West Temple Street Los Angeles, CA 90012).

April 19, 2018
I received a letter from LASD that advised:

Quote:
...Because you reside in an incorporated city not policed by the Sheriff's Department, you must first apply to your Chief of Police.
If denied, you may apply to our Department within sixty days of the denial by submitted a completed Department of Justice Standardized Application and a copy of the written denial.

It should be noted that a rejection by a Chief of Police merely sets up the process for a review by the Sheriff and in no way assures an applicant of the favorable consideration of his request.
-- Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) --

Since it had been a couple of years since I applied to LASD, and I am sure the legislature made some changes I opted to download a recent version of the application, and rework my Good Cause Statement.

The current LAPD CCW application can be downloaded from their website here. When you are ready to turn in your application, you need to make an appointment with LAPD Gang and Narcotics Division, Gun
Unit by calling (213) 486-5360.

October 17, 2018
I called the number listed above and the phone was answered by a detective. I advised that I was calling to make an appointment to turn in my CCW application, and he asked me to hold. A minute or so later an Officer Rogers came on the line and after verifying my address as being located within the city of Los Angeles, we made an appointment for Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 0800 PDT. All CCW Appointments are held at LAPD Headquarters (100 W. 1st Los Angeles).

She advised that I will also needed to bring the following with me:
  1. Completed CCW Application Without Signatures (sections 6, 7, and 8)
  2. A color copy (Front and Back) of my California Driver's License (CDL).
  3. A copy of a utility bill or the like to establish proof of residency. (They only need the first page that has the name and address.
  4. Any documents that support my Good Cause Statement.

October 23, 2018
On my way to the CCW Appointment (approx 0630 PDT), I received a phone call from Officer Rogers (my interviewer) that she will not be able to make it into the DTLA office today for my appointment, and that I will need to reschedule. She would call me later this week when she is back in the office.

To not make the getting up early and driving to DTLA a total bust I swung by Porto's in Burbank and pickup some cheese rolls for my Team, and Mrs. RoundEye.

October 24, 2018
I received a call in the morning from Officer Rogers to reschedule my appointment. She was available either Thursday (10/25), or Monday (10/29). I opted for Thursday.

Lets get this **** done!!!

October 25, 2018
The drive to DTLA from the North Valley in the morning isn't too horrible, but expect it to take slightly more than an hour. I allowed myself about 1.5 hours just to allow time to find parking and give myself a little bit of a buffer.

Okay, Parking down there is f'ing horrible.
There doesn't seem to be any decent pay lots directly around LAPD HQ, and street parking was limited. Luckily I found a meter on 2nd St about a block away. It had to be the only available spot of four on that block to give you an idea. You may want to allow even more time given the parking situation.

When entering, you'll see it's your standard LAPD station. There is some stuff in the lobby about their history to read about and two officers at the front desk along with a metal detector. I told them I was here for a CCW Appointment and they pointed me to a small sign at the far end of the desk that said if you're here for a CCW appointment to call this number (it's the same number that you call to make an appointment). When I called Officer Rogers answered the phone and said to have the desk clear me for weapons, and she'll be right down to get me.

After being cleared for weapons, Officer Rogers met me in the lobby, and then escorted me upstairs (2nd or 3rd floor) to a conference room not far from the elevator. The conversation started with the taking of a photo of me for the file, and over the next 30 minutes or so we reviewed my application in its entirety. There was some casual conversation about the details in my application, but it mostly revolved around the answers in the application and extrapolating on my Good Cause. I was asked multiple times if in immanent danger or there had been threats made against my life. Diligent notes were taken when I answered questions, and in closing she abbreviated my Good Cause Statement to me, and asked if I had any questions.

My questions revolved mostly around the process, and what I should expect next. I was advised that they have 90 days to review and respond to my application, but it might be sooner it just depends on their workload. A cover letter / summary will be put together with my application, and it will be presented to the Chief for review. Only the Chief can approve of deny an application. Now that I think about it after the fact, I probably should have asked if the cover letter includes a recommendation. I was told to call if I have any other questions, so maybe I'll call and get that clarified. Anyway...

I was told that I will receive two letters:
  • The 1st letter advising that we met, and reviewed the application.
  • The 2nd letter will either be an Approval or Denial.

If I am denied, and I want to continue with the process, I'll need to write a letter of appeal, and my application will go before an independent review panel (not LAPD affiliated) and a recommendation will be made on my application to the Chief of Police. If it is still denied, I can then take that denial letter and apply with LASD and see if I have better chances with the Los Angeles County Sheriff. I wasn't told that I had to wait for the panel review before applying to the LASD, but that just seems logical. My only concern is that LASD wants your application and written denial with in 60 days, and I am not sure how long the appeal process will take. If necessary, I'll probably do both but allow the panel some time to do their thing, but have everything ready to go to LASD so I don't miss the 60 day window.

If approved my application with be sent to the CADOJ for a background investigation.

One interesting part about this whole thing is that they did not collect any money from me which was a shocker. Even LASD wanted $10 to submit the application.

November 5, 2018

Today, I received a letter dated November 1, 2018 from Captain Stephen M. Carmona who is the Commanding Officer of the Gang and Narcotics Division of the LAPD. The letter acknowledges / confirms my previous meeting with Officer Rogers on October 25, 2018, and that my application is currently in the review process. The letter laid out / confirmed the 90 day response requirement on approval or denial of my application, or within 30 days after the receipt of my criminal background check, whichever is later. The letter also laid out / confirmed that I am not required to attend any training prior to the determination of good cause, and if good cause is determined, I will be notified in writing to proceed with the training requirements. If I have any questions regarding the letter to contact Detective Ben Meda of the Gun Unit, Gang, and Narcotics Division.

If my calculations are correct, I should have a response no later than January 25, 2019.
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  1. Old Comment
    Hi RoundEye, do you think I should risk denial applying if my main cause is that I work security? I meet every requirement and will start working security with the sheriff next month. I'm debating if I should go for it, or just move to San Bernardino for the sake of ccw.
    Posted 11-05-2018 at 10:18 AM by Mlopez535 Mlopez535 is offline
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mlopez535 View Comment
    Hi RoundEye, do you think I should risk denial applying if my main cause is that I work security? I meet every requirement and will start working security with the sheriff next month. I'm debating if I should go for it, or just move to San Bernardino for the sake of ccw.
    It sounds like your situation satisfies item B of the requirements outlined in the Assenza, et al. v. City of Los Angeles, et al. suit.

    Quote:
    Good Cause

    Good cause shall be deemed to exist, and a license will issue in the absence of strong countervailing factors, upon a showing of any of the following circumstances: a) The applicant is able to establish that there is an immediate or continuing threat, express or implied, to the applicant's safety, or the applicant's family's safety, and that no other reasonable means
    exist which would suffice to neutralize that threat; b) The applicant is employed in the field of security, has all requisite licenses, is employed by a security firm having all requisite licenses, and provides satisfactory proof that his or her work is of such a nature that it requires the carrying of a concealed weapon; c) The applicant has obtained, or is a person included within the protections of a court order which establishes that the applicant is the on-going victim of a threat or physical violence or otherwise meets the criteria set forth in Penal Code Section 26175; d) The applicant establishes that circumstances exist requiring him or her to transport in public significant amounts of valuable property which it is impractical or impracticable to entrust to the protection of armored car services or equivalent services for safe transportation of valuables; e) The applicant establishes that he or she is subject to a particular and unusual danger of physical attack and that no reasonable means are available to abate that threat.
    Posted 11-10-2018 at 11:51 AM by RoundEye RoundEye is offline
 


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